USA technique hang up?

Speedplay wrote: As it is now, all US members seems to post about how they should get the chinese looping technique, and how this technique is superior. It might be true that it is superior, I don't know, but I do know that it doesn't matter for players at our level. Cause if you want to have their technique, then you better put in their amount of practice.

Huh? All US members? wtf?

LOOPMEISTER wrote: Speedplay wrote: As it is now, all US members seems to post about how they should get the chinese looping technique, and how this technique is superior. It might be true that it is superior, I don't know, but I do know that it doesn't matter for players at our level. Cause if you want to have their technique, then you better put in their amount of practice. Huh? All US members? wtf?

Sorry about that, a slip of the toungue, as I ment that all they are posting about is the loop technique and how they want to achieve the Chinese style looping. I didn't intend to state that all US player's where like that, but on this forum, there seems to be a lot of them.

I've played TT on a "serious level" (no longer in the basement, but in a club) and I think I'm around 2000 Usatt when it comes to rating, but, I don't have a clue if my loop technique is European or Chinese, simply because it doesnt matter to me. I loop the way I feel comfortable with, while stillmanaging to land a high enough percentage to keep me happy.

I get the feeling that a lof of the posters here rather look good and lose, then look ugly and win.

obesechopper wrote: dingyibvs wrote: What you need to understand is that for some people, there's more to the game than just becoming a good player.  For people who are passionate about the game, for people who have to constantly cast aside the snickers of their friends and family, a dream to become Ma Long or Timo Boll, or a desire to show people just how amazing and amazingly beautiful one can be at the ping pong table, can be more important.  I'm sure there are other factors I haven't mentioned, but I just wanted to show you some of the culture differences. Sounds like you have it really rough.

dingyibvs wrote: APW46 wrote: kenneyy88 wrote:   BTW, it seems the person that is most obsessed about this euro vs chinese loop thing is you.   Well if thats how you miss-interperate what I am trying to say, fair enough. It's not what you're saying, but how and how often you're saying it.  You seem to pop up on every looping technique thread to preach your message, but you don't seem to understand the TT culture in the U.S. People's reaction here when they hear that you play TT is a snicker and "oh that's cute."  It's like saying you go to the club every week to play hungry hungry hippos.  Thus, players in the U.S., at least those outside of Chinese communities, are under much more jeering peer pressure than those elsewhere, and they have to be much more passionate about the game to continue.  With that, a number of factors change. For one, you want to show people that it's a real sport, a real and shall I say beautiful sport.  Playing like pushblocker, whom I have a lot of respect for skill and dedication-wise, isn't gonna do it.  Secondly, when you're really dedicated to something, you want to become the best possible, so there's this focus on getting the right technique to maximize one's potential.  Even though you might never reach the "break even" point where your time used on technique is more effective than the time you could've used to be an expert with poor form, the dream of becoming the best is still there.  After all, all pros play more or less alike. What you need to understand is that for some people, there's more to the game than just becoming a good player.  For people who are passionate about the game, for people who have to constantly cast aside the snickers of their friends and family, a dream to become Ma Long or Timo Boll, or a desire to show people just how amazing and amazingly beautiful one can be at the ping pong table, can be more important.  I'm sure there are other factors I haven't mentioned, but I just wanted to show you some of the culture differences.

well said
i've experienced a few of the scenarios you've given.
though my family has accepted the fact that i like table tennis, i never brag about it with my friends, in fact i sort of hide that fact..
whenever my friends ask what my hobby is, i always say its going to the gym, which is partly true because i go there occasionally.
im very very passionate with table tennis, yet im still too ashamed to show it to my friends

qynthnghm wrote: mrdoodzki wrote: well said i've experienced a few of the scenarios you've given. though my family has accepted the fact that i like table tennis, i never brag about it with my friends, in fact i sort of hide that fact.. whenever my friends ask what my hobby is, i always say its going to the gym, which is partly true because i go there occasionally. im very very passionate with table tennis, yet im still too ashamed to show it to my friends Time to come out of the table tennis closet, my friend. Show the world your true colors. Be not ashamed!

 Now that really is terrible, it happens over here too though, 'I play Table tennis' has never been a successful chat up line, you might as well just say 'I'm eccentric'

[QUOTE=LOOPMEISTER] USA technique hang up? Maybe you mean MYTT forum users' hang up? This forum is hardly representative of US table tennis... Come to the US to play in a few tournaments sometime, otherwise don't judge a whole country by what a handful of people write about on one internet forum.

Bingo. I bet if you that talks of technique (Chinese vs Euro) ranks right up there in terms of number of posts/topics with Equipment. Not meant as an insult, it is usually someone who is very new to the sport or low level players who almost always are in these topics.

Actually I don't mind technique discussion. I can't say the same for equipments. Especially when you are talking about technique and then somebody suggest to use [latest and greatest equipment] to remedy the situation.

APW46 wrote: qynthnghm wrote: mrdoodzki wrote: well said i've experienced a few of the scenarios you've given. though my family has accepted the fact that i like table tennis, i never brag about it with my friends, in fact i sort of hide that fact.. whenever my friends ask what my hobby is, i always say its going to the gym, which is partly true because i go there occasionally. im very very passionate with table tennis, yet im still too ashamed to show it to my friends Time to come out of the table tennis closet, my friend. Show the world your true colors. Be not ashamed!  Now that really is terrible, it happens over here too though, 'I play Table tennis' has never been a successful chat up line, you might as well just say 'I'm eccentric'

I honestly find the opposite. Most people find it's interesting. Perhaps you guys are doing it wrong :D

I believe that technique is very important. Developing a good technique is important for the game, because again and I've posted this lots of times. A good technique will allow a player to execute a wide variety of strokes without significant adjustment and hence with better results!

Now, what defines a good technique is different for everyone. Lower level players seem to measure their technique in a perfectly controlled environment - example of it being a forehand to forehand loop or forehand to forehand counter with a coach or a partner. Yes, it looks good on the video and may be heartwarming to watch but.... this is very much smoke and mirrors. Lots of players with good technique in a controlled environment fall apart in real game with those good strokes. Why? Strokes are not everything. Movement, quick recovery, anticipation, balance, footwork - all of these elements are a part of good technique and there is no substitute. You must have these in order to play at a higher level. Its not enough to just hit the ball.

Overall, it really does not matter what is the "heritage" of your loop. Most european players are free to develop what works for them and it is admirable. Chinese players have a system that is more rigid, but both are equally good and both can bring the desired results. Yes, China dominates the game and has more players at the top of the world rankings, but there are european players that have been able to win high level tournaments, being almost 10 years older. European players have not been able to maintain their level at the top, but that just goes to show how strong China is.

Regarding Schlager....

His strokes may look "weird", but his technique is EXCELLENT! There is a difference. He can apply same shots to many different types of balls with full control over placement, speed, power, and spin. His strengths are his backhand and forehand flip. He has great touch. Fantastic serves and service return. Yes, he does not play like Ma Long trying to get his forehand in the game, but that does not make him a bad player. He is an excellent player. He proved that when he won the worlds. Yes, he is not as strong as he used to be back then, but then its been almost 10 years!!!