What is the best looping stroke?

when u r talking about best looping stroke, is this regarding the stroke to the same spin? if so, what type of spin? how low or high is the ball.

otherwise, it is entirely dependent on the spin, length, height and positioning of the ball.

why is it absurd? i have seen almost all of the points discussed in other threads in this and other forums.no one described it then as absurd.
if you do not like it just ignore.no need to target him.

there is no such thing as a concave loop or convex loop

sid comes up with great topics that many new players ponder but are too afraid to ask.
there are soo many styles of looping, in a club, everyone has their own style and strategy. a good player should be able to perform various styles of looping and strategy to fit the situation and opponent.
as for grip and form, do whatever you want. but if you want to reach your maximum potential, get a coach over 2300 usatt to teach you grip and stroke

sidofmillenium wrote: I neither have the money, or the intention to become better at table tennis, I simply want to understand its complexity, and figure out if Wang Hao does have the supreme style...and if this sport cannot improve any further.

SID......you have been one of the longest standing members still on this forum.   You joined in the end of 2003.  

If you have not figured it all out by now....you never will!


But to answer your inquisitive mind.....

1. The best loop is the one the opponent can not return, regardless of what kind of stroke was used, which rubber or blade was used, or what the relative humitidy or GMT was at the point. 

2. Yes,  Wang Hao is the only table tennis player that has the "supreme style", and he will not tell anyone of his secret Chinese techniques learned from ancient table tennis shifu's.     So don't even ask him or you may end up at the fate of a baugwa power punch!

3. You have way to much idle time on your brain to waste with such nonsensical ramblings here on mytt.  Please go play some table tennis or do your homework instead of logging in!!!    (I'm only trying to help your mental wellness). 

END OF STORY.      

I make no attempt to state what is "best". I'll just tell ya what I do.

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1.  Looping top with a little side mixed in.

So sad he got injured in European Championship, would have loved to see him play his best against other Europeans.

Setting rare exceptions aside, I highly doubt difference in anatomy among players will change the fundamental ways we are speaking of here.  I guess we should first discuss what is "considered" the best looping stroke?  That in general, give problems to everyone.  Which would mean it being deceptive, with high end speed and spin.(and ofcourse consistency and flexibility)

sidofmillenium wrote: Settings rare exceptions aside, I highly doubt difference in anatomy among players will change the fundamental ways we are speaking of here.  I guess we should first discuss what is "considered" the best looping stroke?  That in general, give problems to everyone.  Which would mean it being deceptive, with high end speed and spin.(and ofcourse consistency and flexibility)

I think, sid, what some people here are trying to say is that there are various strokes for a loop, each of which produce different speeds and spins, and each one of them is correct, dependent on the context (hence, making the term "best" a bit fuzzy).

A high, spinny loop requires one stroke. I low, fast loop requires another. A loop with side spine, yet another. Each one (and the many other combinations) are all useful, just in different situations. For example, if I get pulled out far to my FH side, I'm usually not gonna want to return with a hard, fast, low loop. I'm gonna wanna go deep, a little higher, and spinny so I can buy time to get back into position. Yet, if my opponent is out of position, perhaps far to his or her FH side, I might want to loop hard and fast to their backhand side. Two different strokes, two different but valid results, for two separate contexts.

I think maybe you should be a bit more specific. For instance, what is the best stroke for generating a high, spinny loop? What is the best way to generate a low, fast loop? When should I choose one over the other? Etc.

Clarity, brother, clarity. And specificity. That way, people won't get upset with you for being vague.

figgie wrote: sidofmillenium wrote: Settings rare exceptions aside, I highly doubt difference in anatomy among players will change the fundamental ways we are speaking of here.  I guess we should first discuss what is "considered" the best looping stroke?  That in general, give problems to everyone.  Which would mean it being deceptive, with high end speed and spin.(and ofcourse consistency and flexibility)   Then your lack of understanding basic sciene based in this reality is truely UNQUESTIONABLE if you think such an idiocy.   Or in a language that sid can understand. You currently know as much science as a rock on the side of the road.

HEY Figgie if you do not like what sid posts it's your problem but you certainly can't insult him for what he wants to share. In other words keep quiet or get the heck out of the thread.
That's warning one.

*sigh* there are basic facts in table tennis that different factors and conditions alter your stroke, timing and the angle of the bat when perfoming a looping stroke. how hard is it to analyze that there is no best stroke it depends on the situation of the incoming ball!!!! duh! 

can you just go play instead of sitting infront of a computer writing posts all day? a lot of things you could learn better by playing than asking others

And yogi_bear continues to act unmoderator like with no consequences...this forum has poor management.

1.  You should learn something from Anton, he tries to resolve issues, he is better at it than I am.

actually its a moderator's responsibility to filter garbage posts such as what you are always posting so as not to misinform new table tennis players..
aaron, he will just make another bunch of excuses with no direct link to anatomy or physiology sources and dodge your question so as not to explain his side and not to make a fool out of himself AGAIN...