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Originally posted by alink91 alink91 wrote:

Originally posted by hristo hristo wrote:

IF you are such a good player you must go at the olympics or WTTC!



I have a lot of serves, not nessarilly serves that fit me well, I come up with a new serve almost every other week so club players don't get use to my serves, I have a whole set of serves dedicated to playing against penholders

One thing I noticed about using a lot of serves.  You get a lot of weird returns back.  I've got enough serves to serve a match and not serve the same motion to the same place with the same spin twice.  But there's a tradeoff.  Serves that generate reciever misses often make for difficult 3rd balls when they do get on the table.  Esp sidespin serves.  And if they use lp or anti, forget it. 
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alink91 has more serves than the chinese team put together. hilarious.
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stop being such a faggot to people you dickhead
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sorry for hurting your feelings yuslke, but you're the one calling me names. i am only intrigued and amazed by the diversity of alink's serves.
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your sarcastic comments are needed thanks.
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alink probally does have that many serves...i dont doubt that for a second.

I like to watch videos of matches and try to imatate their serves as well.

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if its not a tournament game and im up again amatuers, ILLEGAL serves are the way to go.
hide the contact, and make ur topspins look like backspins. They just push it and the ball goes flying up giving u a free whack, they always fall for it!
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spontaneous... i dont think i have any words that describe the disrespect i have for you.

when your playing people of less ability you should usually back off a bit on the serves and play your weakness against their strenghts.

also, its not cool to cheat with hidden serves.

infact, i think i would like to light your face on fire and then put it out with a screw driver.. just becosue you like to take advantage of amatuer players.
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Now that Hinshaw has injured me so bad, I cant even serve half of them because the ball will end up getting stuck to the bad aid. Plus, my serves have to be higher thrown now because with my injury, I can't throw with good accuracy anymore. If my toss is higher, it will have less spin and i do this becuase now my accuracy is terrible and I can adjust more on my toss so I dont get messed up. I wont stop bleeding
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How do you do the pendlelom serve??? What grip do you use???
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Originally posted by rocket_luc15 rocket_luc15 wrote:

How do you do the pendlelom serve??? What grip do you use???

You usually use the waldner grip, which is where you choke way up on the blade and grab it between your thumb and forefingers.  It allows you to move your wrist more freely, somewhat like a penholder but not quite that well.  It's the only way to do any kind of outside in at all.
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Originally posted by rocket_luc15 rocket_luc15 wrote:

How do you do the pendlelom serve??? What grip do you use???


I have about 10 different ways of doing a forehand penduaum serve, I use penhold with reverse. If you were asking me, here is your answer
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I have one last thing to say. Many of you may not belive me but I have 22 serves that i use in tournaments and 72 serves I dont use. If you dont belive me I can show Hinshaw a different day or I can show patmandidly at 41st joe.
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Ok alink, you may have 22+72 different names for your serves but in reality some of them are close to be identical in spin, speed and placement. There is simply not so many variations. And do not count those serves that you can do identically with both FH and BH. For the receiver IT IS THE SAME SERVE.

And finnaly, one does not need to master all of those different serves because what is the sense of serving one that is easily killed by your opponent? It is good to have a lot of different serves in your repertoar in order to exploit weaknesses of the oponents and save those serves for important moments during the match.

The best serves are those done with very similar movement but they are very different in spin, speed and placement.
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short(deep in to the net) dead ball to the forehand side.

short(deep in to the net) topspin(yea really) ball to he forehand side.

long or short top+side or back spin serve to both backhand and forehand. thats my main serve and its tricky because opponent cant understand what kind of spin he will recieve.(back or top spin? and dont forget both are side spin)

high toss dead ball deep in to the net.

 
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Originally posted by kresimir kresimir wrote:

Ok alink, you may have 22+72 different names for your serves but in reality some of them are close to be identical in spin, speed and placement. There is simply not so many variations. And do not count those serves that you can do identically with both FH and BH. For the receiver IT IS THE SAME SERVE.


And finnaly, one does not need to master all of those different serves because what is the sense of serving one that is easily killed by your opponent? It is good to have a lot of different serves in your repertoar in order to exploit weaknesses of the oponents and save those serves for important moments during the match.


The best serves are those done with very similar movement but they are very different in spin, speed and placement.



It's true. Odds are your serves look slightly different but are the same thing.
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just recently ive been having good success with using only 3 different serves.

backspin serve
nothing serve, with the same motion as the backspin one
and a high toss nothing serve.

i dont win that many points from the serve its self, but its sets up the 3rd ball nice.



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Originally posted by Patmandidily Patmandidily wrote:

Originally posted by kresimir kresimir wrote:

Ok alink, you may have 22+72 different names for your serves but in reality some of them are close to be identical in spin, speed and placement. There is simply not so many variations. And do not count those serves that you can do identically with both FH and BH. For the receiver IT IS THE SAME SERVE.


And finnaly, one does not need to master all of those different serves because what is the sense of serving one that is easily killed by your opponent? It is good to have a lot of different serves in your repertoar in order to exploit weaknesses of the oponents and save those serves for important moments during the match.


The best serves are those done with very similar movement but they are very different in spin, speed and placement.



It's true. Odds are your serves look slightly different but are the same thing.

Yeah, but if you have only two serves, but can go to 10 different motions, won't that help confuse the opponent as to what serve is coming?  If someone gives me the same motion every time I can usually figure it out a lot quicker than if they can give me the same two serves in a variety of ways.

Sure, a tomohawk serve may be made to serve the same spin as a pendulum, but to me it's still a different serve.
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i agree with cole_ely, it's much more confusing, and hard 2 guess the spin of the serve in different motions. though 22 serves sounds like some r very similar
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spontaneous... i dont think i have any words that describe the disrespect i have for you.

when your playing people of less ability you should usually back off a bit on the serves and play your weakness against their strenghts.

also, its not cool to cheat with hidden serves.

infact, i think i would like to light your face on fire and then put it out with a screw driver.. just becosue you like to take advantage of amatuer players.


they'll learn soon enough its illegal. I mean someone's gotta show them the difference between illegal and legal serves.
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my usual serve is just a side top.... i mix my serve motions, ive just started doing that reverse serve properly with reverse sidespin too....ive served so many different ways i cant remember everyone
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lol. yeah ive got serves i just forget about.

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under the leg serve. i do that sometimes if im on the matchpoint.
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Under the leg is considered illegal now. Rule just changed at 2005 worlds.
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Originally posted by Patmandidily Patmandidily wrote:

Under the leg is considered illegal now. Rule just changed at 2005 worlds.

was it ever legal? lol
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it was deemed illegal when the hidden serves were all banned...
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The Schlager serve when he tosses the ball quite high and swing the arm one time around with the clock and the does a reversed side-under/side over short in the fh or long in the bh with much spin...

You have to swing the arm fast though, or it won't be any effect...
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Ive copied the pros.....

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Uh, I have one serve. Reverse pendulum for penholder. Changes between sidespin/forward, sidespin, sidespin/downward. Experimenting with no spin dropshot
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I am using a short side spin or a short backhand spin.
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