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tommyzai
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Posted: 07/23/2008 at 4:02pm |
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I like to have a contrasting rubber on my BH/Secondary side, but that rubber has to be good for serving and receiving serves. What Long Pips can help me generate some good BH serves and be good at receiving (push/chop/flip/smash)?
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celeronx
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all are pretty much good for receiving...but the less grippy, the easier it is. But for serving...id have to say the more grippy...to generate atleast a litttle spin, ...just keep in mind...doesnt matter what LP u have for serving, almost always its gonna be dead...so doesnt matter really
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tommyzai
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Yeah, I'm looking to have my cake and eat it too, but . . .
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liXiao
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Can you have a long pip to use for serving. No one really does that, like defenders always turn the blades over for BH seres,
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tommyzai
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I could twiddle for serves, but I was hoping . . .
I think LP is not for me. I want to attack on all fronts, but have something funky for receiving serves. i need a three sided blade. |
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liXiao
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Its really only complicated because you use the modified seemiller.
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pongcrazy
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Sounds like you may like a medium pip like 563. It can spin on its own, add to spin, and throw a dead ball on a passive block.... and can still be used for flat hit attack. Not a whole lot of wobbly long pip deception effect though. Make sure you get the soft sponged 35 degree version. 10 bucks will buy a sheet. I think 1.5 and 2.0 is available.
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tommyzai
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I think it's a more difficult choice for shakehand players. They have to use what they choose on BH side. For me, it's a bonus rubber for special stuff . . . like a penholder that doesn't use RPB all the time. |
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tommyzai
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Medium pips might be the answer, or a tall short pips like the 799. It must be useful in serving and receiving serve and hitting. Thanks.
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IceDefence
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I would higly recommend Xiom Guillotine S in 1.3 sponge, I used them before and the national coach in Iceland told I was good at flipping and that with long pips ^^ |
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feint soft 1.3 is a great attacking pip, returns serves well, and is grippy enough to serve with if that is what you really want to do.
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Yasaka Phantom 009 on 1.0mm !!!
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I have been using Guillotine for the last two days to test some new strokes. In addition to its attacking possibilities, it is good for generating loops while chopping - have not seen pips bending much in other rubbers.
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Phantom is a tricky one, certainly; one of the few lp's with the problem of too wide a range of spin. Of course, looking for an active lp, that might suit your purposes, but i will say that it's much more sensitive to incoming service then most long pips (though exponentially less then your average inverted, of course). I'm planning on going domination 1.5 / phantom 1.0 on my donic enforce at the earliest opportunity...
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dragon kid
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Just use the regular two sided blade and punch every serve to return it.. Your hand is like an anti spin.. |
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tommyzai
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Dragon kid,
You're probably right. I'm an anti spin machine. I probably need to put a super spinny rubber on one side to add spin. :-). |
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I mean punch the ball with the part of your hand that holds the bat to return any serve.. it works quite well..
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tommy,
I would recommend SP(something like donic baxter (very fast)) instead of LP, mainly because with LP you cannot surprise the opponent so much, but with a SP you can easily generate some spin/speed or not and its much more difficult to read (LP its difficult to generate spin and speed in serves). This is my small experience, not by using but from playing against SP and LP players besides you will win some point by flat hitting that I saw you do, All good LP players need much more mobility than SP, or else your opponent will end up playing all your balls way to your BH. |
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tommyzai
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Thanks for the advice and for the props on my hitting.
I am leaning towards an SP on BH/secondary side. I like the idea of LP and Anti, but it doesn't work well for me. I win by playing fast, then surprising opponent, but not by spin reversal . . . but change up in speed or location. I think I can make this happen with an OX or .6mm SP . . . maybe the 802 or other as you guys suggest. Does this sound reasonable? |
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Can I actually to that legally? |
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bruno_ar2002
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I don't know about OX or .6mm SP , but I think you should use some SP that is not too slow, baxter is quiet fast, don't know any one else, so that if you end up in a rally, your opponent will get very confused against a SP, I know I get, I try never ending up with rallies against a SP, because I never compensate the lack of spin the ball does not have, so it always ends up in the net, on the other side it is a little more dificult to block high spinny loops with a SP (mainly because the rubber does not absorve all the spin, just a little, so its hard to calculate that (years of practice).
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celeronx
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yes u can, in the rules..it says u may touch the ball with ur playing hand. so good idea xD
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tommyzai
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Bruno,
Very Cool. Keep in mind my BH is just for some serves, service receiving, and the odd shot. So, I'll reserve the FH rubber for something real punchy. Celeronx, I'm in shock. I guess I always thought the hand shots had to be "accidental." |
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liXiao
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Get feint soft. I hear its best for attacking. Mikie Tasei (All Japan Mixed Doubles Champion) uses it, but she flips her paddle over and only does BH serves~
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tommyzai
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Yeah, those LPs require the LP stroke. I learned how with 755, but if I didn't do it right a knuckleball floated off the table. 1-point to the other knuckhead for my knuckleball!
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cole_ely
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I've seen a couple guys get decent spin on serves from long pips (even ox) by tossing the ball pretty high to get the pips to bend.
I've also heard of perfecting the ability to serve off the label.
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celeronx
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i found the 755 much easier to attack with than the feint soft....maybe just me?
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cole_ely,
maybe I'm misinterpreting wrong your statement, but when the pimps bend, they don't generate spin, it reverses, the more longer and softer the pimp is less spin its generates, that why SP can generate some, because it does not bend and some friction is generated in the surface. |
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cole_ely
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It depends on the pips. Some are spinnier on the sides than the tops. The older drN was definitely slicker on the tips, as it was treated across the tops.
With most long pips that are still legal, the sides aren't much different than the top. And the extra force of the ball falling simply creates more force, dwell, surface area to work with.
I see what you're saying though, and it makes logical sense. Just doesn't always turn out to be that way, from what I've seen. However, I'm sure there are some long pippers lurking who could weigh in and clarify the matter.
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michiganbob
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I think any pip will be great for service if you vary your serve by flipping, push or dead ball serves, short non spinny serves. I sometimes will use my spinny side with a topspin serve...long or short and hit the return 75 % of the time with my long pips for a winner.. I am currently looking at the new anti-spin rubbers also. I used to use them years ago, any ideas on what some good ones are.
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