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Originally posted by V-Griper V-Griper wrote:

"It's all timing" -Wang Zhen aka Eugene Wang.


I heard Eugene say that once too.  It is so true!  And he pretty much never mistimes a shot. 

So how to do it?  "Concentrate on making back-swing the same speed as ball is coming at you if you are having problems with timing.  Bring racket back fast if ball is fast, slow if ball is slow, it keeps you from rushing, which is more common a problem than being late."  I got this gem from Eric Owens.
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

"Don't rush - take your time - you have more time than you think"
  One of my favorites.  Eric used to say that a lot too.
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Another good one from a coach in my wife's home town in China.  Most people think that they are in a perfectly neutral stance when it feels like they have equal weight on both legs.  Actually, most of the time when it feels like that, you actually have more weight on right leg (assuming you are right handed) because for most people the right leg is stronger.  Because of this you move slowly to the right on a strongly angled ball. It is almost impossible to move in that direction if the right side is supporting more of your weight, so first you have to transfer weight to left side and then move.  In worst case, you lose balance and end up with the right leg far in front of left at end of the shot.  Once that happens you are totally hosed for the rest of the point.  To avoid this catastrophic footwork error, (1) increase strength in left leg, and until that happens, (2) be aware that a truly neutral ready position is one in which it feels like there is a bit more weight on your left leg.    
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by V-Griper V-Griper wrote:

"It's all timing" -Wang Zhen aka Eugene Wang.


I heard Eugene say that once too.  It is so true!  And he pretty much never mistimes a shot. 

So how to do it?  "Concentrate on making back-swing the same speed as ball is coming at you if you are having problems with timing.  Bring racket back fast if ball is fast, slow if ball is slow, it keeps you from rushing, which is more common a problem than being late."  I got this gem from Eric Owens.

When he and I were doing one on one for about 15 mins I asked him and he said that I was not ready by the time the ball was bouncing. I practiced this but did not get it until about 3 weeks ago(clinic was in June). 

I actually observe that the take back on shots varies allot and in most cases the paddle is taken back slightly faster than the incoming ball speed especially on the BH. What does not vary much at all is the footwork and loading up of the legs at the bounce. So that is what I focused on. 

Best example of really good ball timing that is obvious is ZJK. You can really see it on his serve return, He bounces twice each time in sync with the first and second bounce of the ball. Every single time the ball is bouncing his legs are loaded and then he pushes up as the ball is rising from the bounce. Every shot, FH or BH. Also on serve, he always completes his transition to the ready position at the time of the second bounce of his serve. Now look at the other pros. They pretty much all do it. 




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My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 
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Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 

This is terrible advice!  I cannot see how anyone could improve using this unless they were playing players twice their age.  I think you need to switch to anti-spin and long pips immediately.  

Welcome to the forum, young Jonathan!  Wink
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Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 

I must be picturing this wrong in my head.  Parallel to the table - wouldn't that mean completely open or completely closed?
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 

I must be picturing this wrong in my head.  Parallel to the table - wouldn't that mean completely open or completely closed?

It would be almost completely open. Remember, these are just for on the table drives. A better way of putting it would be that the motion of the racket is parallel. 

@dabookerman - I believe that's Jason? Yep! A player from North Carolina told me about these forums a few days ago, so I decided to check it out. There are definitely some good tips on here. 
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@dabookerman - I believe that's Jason? Yep! A player from North Carolina told me about these forums a few days ago, so I decided to check it out. There are definitely some good tips on here. 
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You got me.  Of course, you conveniently FORGOT that I told you about this forum a LONG time ago... Ouch  You'll have to tell me at the club if I know who it is from NC.  
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Snivy, it is also hard for me as you saw a few weeks ago over the table all I do is punch block, but you need to use the arm like there is a hinge on a stationary elbow with arm hinging on elbow going forward like forearm is parallel to table, instead of trying to use a lot of all the body. There isn't a lot of time to do that and we are inconstant doing it like that. It is different as much as the strokes opening vs underspin and continuing attack vs block. 
 
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1) You must stay on your toes and move.

2) Hit from the hips.

3) Make spin.

4) The body is relaxed until the moment of contact.  Hold your breadth just before striking.

5) Use your fingers at the moment of contact.

6) The stroke is short, forward, and accelerate through the ball.



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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Another good one from a coach in my wife's home town in China.  Most people think that they are in a perfectly neutral stance when it feels like they have equal weight on both legs.  Actually, most of the time when it feels like that, you actually have more weight on right leg (assuming you are right handed) because for most people the right leg is stronger.  Because of this you move slowly to the right on a strongly angled ball. It is almost impossible to move in that direction if the right side is supporting more of your weight, so first you have to transfer weight to left side and then move.  In worst case, you lose balance and end up with the right leg far in front of left at end of the shot.  Once that happens you are totally hosed for the rest of the point.  To avoid this catastrophic footwork error, (1) increase strength in left leg, and until that happens, (2) be aware that a truly neutral ready position is one in which it feels like there is a bit more weight on your left leg.    


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One that really helped me that my coach told me at the very start...

If playing with black on the forehand, you should not be able to see any of the black side when you follow through with your forehand stroke.  If you can, that means you've turned your wrist incorrectly and you'll be hitting the ball off the left side of the table (assuming you're right handed).  

Same with the back-hand.  With red on the backhand, you should not see red when completing your backhand stroke or you'll be hitting the ball off the right side of the table.  

Ensuring that you're only seeing the opposite side when you follow through with your stroke will keep the paddle flat (even though you're closed) with the table and greatly increase your accuracy/consistency.  




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Great thread with a lot of good advice. My coach often tells me to not stress to much because you always have more time than you think.  
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Stop trying to analyze every shot - just play.

Thats a great advice, it's very easy to think too much when you play. I have a tendency to become stagnant when I think too much. 
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My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."


It took me 3 yrs of playing to appreciate how truly deep this insight is.
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Figure out how to reduce your middle.  (Eric Owens).  So then we would do drills where we would rally at a moderate pace (at first) where the goal for each of us was to attack the middle. As time went on, we would speed up. He had no middle.  Mine was.........   larger.
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-  Do you know you can actually spin to/at someone and win the point?  You don't have to always loop away from them.
- Stop pushing serves so much - it will get you into trouble as you get better.
- Play the match the way you played in practice. 
- If you miss, we can improve your shot.  If you don't take your shot, there is nothing to improve so you can't get better.
- When starting out, don't serve underspin because you want have an attacking mindset.  Serve no spin so that you can attack the return.  When your loop vs. underspin improves, you can start serving underspin.
- In pushing rallies, many beginners think they missed a backspin ball, when they really missed a no spin ball.  The same applies when someone pops up the ball.
- Spin to win!
- Don't give your opponent so much credit that he (almost) never needs to make a return or a third ball to win a point.  Put the ball in play first and analyze his attack.
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

My coach once said: "The ball is very light, so why the hell you´re spending this amount of energy of arms, shoulder and legs? Focus on the contact of racket against the ball, this is important."
So just tap the ball back and forth? 
Please don´t be intellectually dishonest. You know what it means.
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