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    Posted: 05/09/2021 at 5:13am
As some of you may have already noticed, the Butterfly foundation became 70 years old.
Therefore Butterfly produced a "limited edition" blade, called Effort.



As far as I know, they produced round about 7.000 pieces world-wide
  • 2.600 JP (Japan)
  • 500 TW (Taiwan)
  • 500 EU (Europe)
  • 2.000 CN (China)
  • 1.080 OS (Other States)
This would mean that they produced and sold 6.680 pieces of this blade. 
7.000 pieces would sound more logical due to the 70th Anniversary.
Maybe I forgot a region, which got 320 pieces.

I really like the classical and timeless look of this blade. 
For me it is one of the most beautiful blades in the market.



I also like the composition (hinoki - alc - limba - kiri - limba - alc - hinoki),



which is similar to the discontinued Kong Linghui Special, but with some noticeable differences:

- KLHS = 3+2 (without the limba veneers) while Effort is 5+2
- KLHS = much thicker (6,9 mm) than the Effort (5,8 mm)
- While the thickness of the outer veneer is nearly the same, Effort has a much thinner core

I am absolutely sure, that this blade is not only interesting for collectors.
I will also be a very good blade for playing. Thumbs Up


Edited by Magic_M - 05/12/2021 at 1:39am
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It comes with FL handle only.
Life is too short for defensive play.

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Yeah except it's out of stock and has been that way for quite a while now.
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I want one.

Btw can you guys recommend "similar" 5+2 with hinoki outer ply?
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Chinese market: 2000 pieces.
among my pieces, the lightest one is 79gr heavy and the heaviest is 91gr.
Someone has a 92,5gr one which is probably the heaviest one


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I know that some retailers sold out of these within 1 day of listing it... these blades seem very popular!



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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Chinese market: 2000 pieces.
among my pieces, the lightest one is 79gr heavy and the heaviest is 91gr.
Someone has a 92,5gr one which is probably the heaviest one

How many pieces do you own? I just lost my count while reading your post...Smile
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some say it's a yinhe t8s clone LOL

oh and to top it off.... the butterfly "foundation"?..... it's too much lol


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Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

some say it's a yinhe t8s clone LOL

Thanks. I am not after brand. Used to have very positive experience with hinoki in the past on three occasions Miyabi 1ply, Avx J-Tech, 5ply with kiso on the top, Yinhe 5ply all kiso. 

For various reason, mains being lack of experience and EJ Shocked, but also light weight (under 83g), I changed to other blades. 

Really want to try how Kiso plays with ALC or other soft carbon. I know about 3+2 blades, where they come with thick core and having a thick hinoki on the top, builders don't have much choice but to limit the whole thing to 3+2. Me coming from slow HL5 blade, even classic BTY made ALCs feel faster than I like. So 3+2 with tamca, like Primorac would be too too fast.

The structure of Effort seems to be 5+2, suggesting that core is going to be thin. And that why I am interested in this or similar blade. Just to try it out. 

My main blade, I use is HL5, and have no intention to change it. It helped me to fix so many problems, wonderful tool. However this post is not about HL5 LOL


Edited by fmarek - 05/18/2021 at 10:07am
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Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

some say it's a yinhe t8s clone LOL

Thanks. I am not after brand. Used to have very positive experience with hinoki in the past on three occasions Miyabi 1ply, Avx J-Tech, 5ply with kiso on the top, Yinhe 5ply all kiso. 

For various reason, mains being lack of experience and EJ Shocked, but also light weight (under 83g), I changed to other blades. 

Really want to try how Kiso plays with ALC or other soft carbon. I know about 3+2 blades, where they come with thick core and having a thick hinoki on the top, builders don't have much choice but to limit the whole thing to 3+2. Me coming from slow ML5 blade, even classic BTY made ALCs feel faster than I like. So 3+2 with tamca, like Primorac would be too too fast.

The structure of Effort seems to be 5+2, suggesting that core is going to be thin. And that why I am interested in this or similar blade. Just to try it out. 

My main blade, I use is HL5, and have no intention to change it. It helped me to fix so many problems, wonderful tool. However this post is not about ML5 LOL

if you want something similar to hl5 with hinoki you can try the joola rosskopf emotion.
it's not exactly the same in composition but quite similar (both are inner composite with ayous core).

other 7 ply hinoki with inner composite could be
donic li ping kitex
donic waldner world champion 89 (it's spruce but spruce is very similar to hinoki)
nexy oscar

also I think butterfly cofferlait has the same composition as this "effort".


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Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

I want one.

Btw can you guys recommend "similar" 5+2 with hinoki outer ply?

Identical to Nexy Oscar.
Mine is 90g.
Surprisingly, it's not too fast, just OFF. 
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Originally posted by Jolan Jolan wrote:

Identical to Nexy Oscar.
It has a similar construction with a similar kind of material, but it is definitely not identical.
For example the Oscar is much thicker (6,3 mm compared to 5,8 mm of the Effort).
Oscar is stiffer and the curve is much lower if you attack hard.
I have tested both blades and in my eyes the difference is not really small.
This does not mean that one of them is better. They are simply not identical.


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Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

also I think butterfly cofferlait has the same composition as this "effort".

Cofferlait is a peculiar hinoki-ALC with a 3+2 composition in the blade face, 5+2 in the handle, in all-hinoki, core included.

The Effort seems to be have a Viscaria composition with a hinoki top ply.
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Butterfly foundation is funny.
Garaydia Alc, Zlc, T5000 looks good too.
Hadraws handle are nice too.
This classic Cedar handles are the deal, even Soulspin makes them
For example for Nittaku, they looks so smooth and perfect.
But in terms of playing.... Im not big fan of construction and good upspin  won't be absorbed easily and if you say I am wrong its ok. There is too much pressure on 7ply hinoki-alc blade if they won't put ayous as a core...
But good luck with tournament- effortless play
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I would love to see a little show off performance from people who already own Effort. Why dont you guys post pictures? ;)


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Avalox J-Aramid has similar construction, same core and outer layer. It's a little bit thicker with 6.0mm. Great blade.. Still sold at some stores.
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Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

I am absolutely sure, that this blade is not only interesting for collectors.
I will also be a very good blade for playing. Thumbs Up


0 interest to have this tricket by myself.
1 - Today's blades for profi game are: Schlager carbon, Primo Carbon, Gergely, Garaydia 5000 and equals. I play myself with Axelo now, which also pretty good for its money.
2 - Blade produced in FL handle only is definitely not a profi blade, because more than 80% are using ST.
3 - It is always better to collect "history" via old and beautiful blades with proven skills instead something designer's money dream.

I am pretty sure there are enough pretty rich people which are able just to buy that item because of the prestige and not so much to improve their skills Big smileWink
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those things come in 3 so after the Revoldia and the Effort, what gimmick is coming at us to complete the trio? 
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Oh my god Shocked what happened with you?
Originally posted by kolevtt kolevtt wrote:

1 - Today's blades for profi game are: Schlager carbon, Primo Carbon, Gergely, Garaydia 5000 and equals. I play myself with Axelo now, which also pretty good for its money. 
2 - Blade produced in FL handle only is definitely not a profi blade, because more than 80% are using ST.
1 - Who wrote that the Effort was produced for professionals? It does not matter for me in any way, which blade is preferred by professionals, because I am far away from their skills and I am sure 90-95% of the forum members are also far away from professional skills. So why should they play with the same equipment like the world best players? I am sure that most of us non-professionals will play much better with the Effort than with a Schlager Carbon.
2- 80% of all professionals are playing with ST ??? In China nearly no one plays with ST. Viscaria was also available only with flared handle for lots of years. It is a bad blade in your eyes therefore? In my eyes Viscaria is still one of the most famous ALC blades in the whole world. What about W968? Also a bad blade? And nevertheless several European professionals try to get one (like Ovtcharov got from Ma Long)? 

Sorry, I don't want to attack you, but I can not believe what I read here.
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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

Avalox J-Aramid has similar construction, same core and outer layer. It's a little bit thicker with 6.0mm. Great blade.. Still sold at some stores.

Thanks, I could not find any similar to effort.

After looking at the actual photo of Effort, I have to admit that so called quality hinoki ply in the Effort was a waaaaay off compared to what you normally find in Darker.

Anyway, I went on and ordered septear feel inner, not exactly 5+2... its 7+2, however under 6mm thickness which I am looking forward to try out.
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I had septear feel inner, I won't say anything. bought so you will judge 
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

I had septear feel inner, I won't say anything. bought so you will judge 

Tell me pls :) I am not planning to use it as main blade, more like a toy to have fun. I am interested to know what to expect.
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Hi

I will try to give you small review. Maybe it will be something to point you into direction how the blade plays. 

I have piece no 404/500 from EU distribution. My piece is exactly like Butterfly described it cause depending on the scales I am getting weight from 87,4g to 87,8g (as far as I remember Butterfly quoted it to be 87g). I have checked it during one training with Tenergy 19 2.1 and Tenergy 05 FX 2.1. My main setup on daily basis are two Maharu Yoshimura IF blades and two Michael Maze blades so I will compare to both of those (generally on above mentioned I use D05 on FH and Rasanter R42/Genius+Optimum on BH). 

First thing I have noticed blade is very stable in Fh/Bh drills (drive). Especially on bh it has that nice hinoki kick that makes it very stable and very fun to play. Speed is hard to describe cause blade is both soft and elastic. I would say it is slower than both M.Maze and Maharu, but it's not entirely true in topsin game (which I will explain later). Short game is difficult. Elastic blade + hinoki makes it very lively and hard to tame. You need to have very good technique to go with it. It's doable but you have to focus much more (it's not automatic as I do it on my other blades). FH topspin is quite different though. First few went very long and very high up. Blade flexes a lot and thick hinoki top ply has something to do with it. Even on much faster blades (Spirit, Vicaria) haven't noticed that problem. Maybe it is adjustment problem (like I have mentioned earlier, used it during one session, only 30 minutes cause didn't want to catch any dents and keep blades in mild condition), but it might be construction. On Bh it was not so visible but still present. 

So overall funny blade and nicely manufactured but wouldn't replaced any of my blades with it if it comes about league play. It lacked stroke quality I have with Yoshimura or Maze. In Yosimura it's great rotation ability and nice curve in Maze table play stability and short game. 

So I hope you get some answers. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Although I am not planning to glue coverings again. It sits in collection and waits for better time :)




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How much did you pay? (Just curious)
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And thanks for the explanation. 

Btw I don't understand why people tend to blame or thank blade for short game. In short game touch is so delicate that blade is merely engaged, isn't it more about rubber?

Anyway
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he said that this is feeling similiar to Harimoto super zlc, I really like him he is the best reviewer, but this review is biased but we must understand him, he is not very rich and he gets equipment from rich people so it will be good to give him more subs and love. His reviews are 100% ok but everybody must talk something just to get another equipment in future.

hinoki has good catapult + ALC which  add good catapult and special softness so you have
soft stiff hinoki and flexy medium soft ALC
it is too hard to slow down pressure when your opponent can play upspin service, but you know I had only 80 Hinoki blades so what can I say? nothing. 
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

he said that this is feeling similiar to Harimoto super zlc, I really like him he is the best reviewer, but this review is biased but we must understand him, he is not very rich and he gets equipment from rich people so it will be good to give him more subs and love. His reviews are 100% ok but everybody must talk something just to get another equipment in future.

hinoki has good catapult + ALC which  add good catapult and special softness so you have
soft stiff hinoki and flexy medium soft ALC
it is too hard to slow down pressure when your opponent can play upspin service, but you know I had only 80 Hinoki blades so what can I say? nothing. 

it's funny he takes a 500 usd blade and puts a 10 usd rubber (hurricane III).
does he boost his hurricane III? (which he recommends for both sides)
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What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 
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Originally posted by fmarek fmarek wrote:

What is wrong in putting rubber you know well? 

P.S. 500 USD??! 

I misread.
I thought 500 was the price.
It's the amount of blades available.

hurricane III is a terrible rubber unless he is boosting like crazy.
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