New Class System explained

Edited by LUCKYLOOP - 10/28/2015 at 12:52pm

pgpg wrote: Are you philosophically opposed to posting actual article here? I don t like jumping through FB hoops just to get access to something . Makes me question your motives here.

+1 on that.

LUCKYLOOP wrote: Vince64 wrote: pgpg wrote: Are you philosophically opposed to posting actual article here? I don t like jumping through FB hoops just to get access to something . Makes me question your motives here.   +1 on that. Anything original there is protected by Copyright

GMan4911 wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: Anything original there is protected by Copyright As long as you re not representing the work as your own, you provide the appropriate credit, and you provide a link to the source, I don t see a problem posting it.

It can be linked. Reproduction is not allowed.

LUCKYLOOP wrote: New Class Rating System Here is the article: Oct 26 2015 Timeline Post .. Sweating man .. Read the Comments to picture .. for the explanation .. https://www.facebook.com/USA-Hobby-Table-Tennis-Coalition-273547322692911/?ref=tn_tnmn Is this better than a Match Rating System ?

LUCKYLOOP wrote: GMan4911 wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: Anything original there is protected by Copyright As long as you re not representing the work as your own, you provide the appropriate credit, and you provide a link to the source, I don t see a problem posting it. It can be linked. Reproduction is not allowed.

Edited by wturber - 10/28/2015 at 4:53pm

wturber wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: GMan4911 wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: Anything original there is protected by Copyright As long as you re not representing the work as your own, you provide the appropriate credit, and you provide a link to the source, I don t see a problem posting it. It can be linked. Reproduction is not allowed. It s an online public conversation between multiple individuals.  I m pretty sure that fair use would apply. But regardless, the guy running the site is using a copyrighted image from 123RF.com without permission.  The image is watermarked specifically to discourage such pirating.  So frankly, I wouldn t be too concerned about possibly violating his possible claim of copyright to the conversation of others. If the facebook page owner had written an original essay, then I think your concerns about copying that would be more reasonable. But I m not sure even then ... From Facebook Terms of Service on copyrights - line 4. "When you publish content or information using the Public setting, it means that you are allowing everyone, including people off of Facebook, to access and use that information, and to associate it with you (i.e., your name and profile picture).

So in other words - you think something like the England system would be better where you have lower divisions and then the premier division?

Well, I would agree. That would be excellent. I think the point system is kind of crazy.

Tennis more or less already has this system - the 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5...etc groups.

The only problem is you end up having a TON of 3.5 and 4.0 players and people who are 4.5 end up with no one to play - so most people dread moving up to 4.5 and will even throw matches when they think they are close.

If you add a promotion and relegation system to the mix to help keep a balance, it might really be awesome.

I just think it sucks to know your points are on the line each match and you will do anything to protect your high...because your game is identified by a number in the end. This way you would be identified by your division and with quality play you could move up. Only a serious string of losses would bring you down. However you wouldn t really know when you would move down or up - the numbers would be kept internally but could be used for seeding purposes even.

At the pro levels the rating system just for seeding and is on a rolling calendar. Points never change with the current USA system. You could have played your last match 20 years ago and got to an amazing 2400...stopped playing, aged 20 years, gave up the sport and now want to come back? 2400 time for you...good luck!

So perhaps also have a time limit to the divisions....if you don t play for X years you move down a division or something to this effect.


Edited by wilkinru - 10/28/2015 at 7:18pm

I checked out the link , just seemed to be pictures?

LUCKYLOOP wrote: Back on Topic What about the two Ratings Systems .... Pros and Cons .... Do they promote participation ?

Since you are such a strong advocate of this class system, I m curious what your USATT rating is? If you have one.

LUCKYLOOP wrote: Vince64 wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: Back on Topic What about the two Ratings Systems .... Pros and Cons .... Do they promote participation ? Since you are such a strong advocate of this class system, I m curious what your USATT rating is? If you have one. Not relevant to the Topic

Actually I think your rating would be relevant to the topic. It might help other forum members understand why when ever a rating topic thread is started you always bring up the Class rating system as the savior to all the rating ills of USATT rating system. You could be a 2300+ level player who thinks he shouldn t be bothered with having to play low rated players. Maybe you always get stuck having to play the under rated junior player. There s other scenarios also. So yes I believe your rating is relevant to the topic. Here s a question for you. The upcoming US Nationals has close to 90 events, under your class system how many events would there be?

LUCKYLOOP wrote: Vince64 wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: Vince64 wrote: LUCKYLOOP wrote: Back on Topic What about the two Ratings Systems .... Pros and Cons .... Do they promote participation ? Since you are such a strong advocate of this class system, I m curious what your USATT rating is? If you have one. Not relevant to the Topic Actually I think your rating would be relevant to the topic. It might help other forum members understand why when ever a rating topic thread is started you always bring up the Class rating system as the savior to all the rating ills of USATT rating system. You could be a 2300+ level player who thinks he shouldn t be bothered with having to play low rated players. Maybe you always get stuck having to play the under rated junior player. There s other scenarios also. So yes I believe your rating is relevant to the topic. Here s a question for you. The upcoming US Nationals has close to 90 events, under your class system how many events would there be? There would be 8 less Class System events of the 90 events listed but that may or may not be relevant. It would be difficult to estimate what effect that would have, if any. The real issue - does the Match Rating System, with all it s problems, inspire participation ? There is a lot of historical data available to analyze this. That would be a good Thesis for somebody working on a Sports Advanced Degree.

Actually let me rephrase the question this way. How many events would the following rated players 1000, 1350, 1700, 2000, 2400+ would each person be able to enter under your class system idea at the Nationals/

Edited by LUCKYLOOP - 10/29/2015 at 8:55am

I definitely agree that there is a rating disparity from region to region in the USA. Case in point, at the 2014 US Nationals one the players from our club rated 1703 beat 7 players between 1858 to 2087 and came out of the tournament rated 1972. Him and 5 others players from gained approximately 1100 rating points. Six tournaments later back in our area his rating was back down to 1704. At the 2015 US Open he beats 5 player between 1828-1957 and comes out with a 1930 rating.