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Is booster used in '08 Panasonic open? |
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wallfree
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Posted: 09/13/2008 at 12:39pm |
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I wonder that the new ENEZ detecting booster is used in '08 Panasonic open or old ENEZ which cannot detect booster. |
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TT_Freak
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Its a pro tour event. Its the biggest tournament in Asia. What do you think?
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theman
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lol, some people and their logic
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t3h anarchist
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booster is banned by the ittf as of sept 1
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Boss1703
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in belgium a lot of players (and dominique lohest wich is the man who created the booster) said that e-nez can't detect the boosters... so a lot of players will be using boosters.
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haggisv
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I didn't think the new enez was released yet...I've only heard they're developing it... The latest boosters are even less likely to be detectable according to the manufacturers, as their voc content is even lower...
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nicefrog
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Table tennis is going to be like Athletics, dodgy underground trade in designer boosters that can't be detected, then someone is going to get busted from a rubber sample 5 years down the track a loose a Gold Medal :)
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elcapitan_thfc
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If you use 2.0 thickness or something like that booster should be ok as they can only tell by the tickness of the rubber at the minute...
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easyfiji
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I thought I read some place that the ittf has softened its stance on boosters, that they urge people not to use them, but they are not banning them.
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NICE
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hey men...what are you talking about? neither tabletennis nor players has not changed. we havent changed into abusers. just the rule has changed. For sure players are looking for the same feeling and performance like a speedglued equipment. it is another thing that manufacturers cannot provide that. I wouldnt accuse a player who dare to reveal his opinion and simply dont want to accept that he cannot play tt the same way so much that he cannot enjoy it anymore.
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bull_harrier
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I believe easyfiji is correct, the ittf trying hard to recommend that people don't use them but there is no official ruling that says they are illegal yet
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le xex
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wrong. ITTF has an official ban on boosters, read on: http://www.ittf.com/stories/Stories_detail.asp?Year=&General_Catigory=general%2C+URC%2C+Waiting___&ID=16062
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thanks le xex, after reading the ittf article it makes sense that they are banning them. Many are angry that they can't use tuners and such. But normal people will have a much easier time playing. When I'm playing someone that glues or uses tuners, the speed and spin increases hugely. So after this ban, everyone will be on the same boat :D
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I'm not angry they are banning boosters. I'm disappointed with the timing. Most people I know couldn't find any useful information on boosters/tuners until after the ban took effect. Not only that, manufacturers spent a lot of money and time trying to come up with alternatives. That time could have been used to focus on glue effect rubbers rather than tuners. I'm pretty sure manufacturers like DHS were caught off guard, because they thought their rubbers were fine with DHS intensifiers and a modified sponge.
I understand the need to reduce speed and spin, but the truth is that this will do nothing to eliminate short game errors. The Chinese have proven you don't need super fast rackets to kill the ball close to the table. This just negatively affects the middistance game, which is where the spectacular rallies occur. It was like when the big ball came into effect. People thought that the reduced speed and spin would affect the close to the table players and third ball kills. In fact, the reduced spin made it easier to do flip kills and third ball attacks, and equipment was just modified to get the same speed. |
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I still dont think glue makes hardly any difference at all to the male pros, they are plenty strong enough to hit it whatever speed they want with or without glue. That's why they are pros :). The girls on the other hand seem to be having issues
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Glue only helps you when you're waaaay behind the table. And in todays game the further you're pushed back the less likely you are to regain control of the point, unless you're Ma Lin and manage to smack a winner out of no where.
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At least Wang Hao used booster/tuner on his rubbers. I watched his match and his rubbers were a little big for his blade and his forehand rubber looked really curled...
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it is official in belgium now... booster are banned.
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I have talked with Korean team staff who participated in panasonic open on the phone. He said to me he bought some chinese booster(Haifu products) for test, he believe which had used in panasonic open by chinese players.
He did not see direct booster applying seen but he believe that chinese players used booster in this china open.
When removed rubber after match, the rubbers are very dommed.
Sound, Speed of the ball of chinese players is same compared with before ban of VOC. But other player's ball speed,power is significantly decreased.
If this is truth....
Table tennis is definitely unfair game.
ITTF is responsible.
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nicefrog
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The Chinese like to bend the rules in everything :) if anyone was going to do a shonky it would be team China, I call for rubber samples to be put in jars and tested in a lab from all winning players/teams !: )
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bull_harrier
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That was a very frustrating article to read because the ittf is trying to speak for every player which is not good. Many people don't find it inconvenient or problematic to use the tuners or boosters. Also they have no tests or no paperwork or evidence to show the exact harmful effects of the boosters or even the speed glue they just banned. This was a very poor and hasty decision on their part that only benefited the equipment manufacturers
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dauntless
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I agree 100%. Very bad timing on the part of ITTF kinda shows they are short sighted. |
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Well it's good to know that the ban is official now. but looking at the match between Xu Xin and Wang Hao there is a definite speed difference between the two. Hao seems to have a very explosive reaction off his paddle while Xin seems a lot slower. Granted Hao is a better, much more seasoned player but and there is equipment difference to take into account, but maybe there is something there. Could it be that the up and coming players let go of the tuners while the veterans are clinging to the old ways?
And on that note who would make that call? The players or the coaches? |
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Look. It is obvious that all the rule changes issued by ITTF are based on lies. Neither the 40mm ball nor the 11 sets has not been effective like glue ban. Everybody knows that net height should be increased. I would work without any other changes. Why dont they do it. I tell you: Because it cannot generate big boost on the market. |
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If the rubbers domed, then it's obvious that they had been tuned. Banning without a way and/or will to enforce it...well, unfairness will arise. |
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Speed glue was not banned because of health risks for the players.
If this is not obvious after the banning of boosters and the the rule that sheets are not to be altered in any fashion from the way they are manufactured, then you probably believe that global warming is a man-made phenomena and that there are American werewolves in Paris.
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YEO
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JKC
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Ther was one in London, I seem to remember Jenny Agutter bouncing around on top of David Naughton when I was a teenager so it must be true.
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sprite
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I believe Jenny bounced around on top of fellas other than David, but in Paris it was Julie Delpy.
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YEO
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