Timo Boll ALC vs Mizutani Jun

Hi guys, I am currently playing with a Primorac Carbon with 2 Tenergys 05 2.1 mm. In terms of feeling, I don't like that hard feel that my blade offers, so I am looking for a softer and maybe slower blade. I also want it to have more control and SPIN.

if you like to put spin vs speed....then i suggest you look at alc or better the old tbs, you cant go wrong
the tbs and alc have noticeably more control then mizutani jun

i haven't used the ALC or the TBS but i have used the ZLC
idk if it's helpful but i like the MJ more than the ZLC that i have
and am planning to switch back

idk how helpful this will be

i would say the mizu is a touch faster then the zlc....at least the ones i have tried!

jt99sf wrote: Speed Meter:   ZLC > Mizutani > ALC > TBS.    I've played with all 4 blades and thats my opinion.

jt99sf,

Sorry but I beg to differ.  IMO, speed meter should be:

MJ > TB ZLC > TB ALC > TBS

jt99sf wrote: MJ > TB ZLC > TB ALC > TBS I wonder where the Photino would fit in here?   between the ALC & TBS?

I think Photino would fit in between TB ZLC and TB ALC.  In fact, Photino is similar to TB ZLF only thicker.

jt99sf wrote: so the Photino is faster than the ALC? I need to run some tests.

Put T05 on FH & WP1013 on BH with Photino and I think you might have to agree with me...

wow, nice chart!

Thank you all, guys, but I still don't know which one I should choose.
Pockerpete, I'm afraid you're wrong... I don't want more spin than speed, furthermore I like fast blades, but I wanted a slower blade and I also wanted it to have more spin than my PC. However, only a few people here talk about the spin that the Mizutani or the ALC offers... That's why I wrote SPIN in capital letters...
So guys, which one would be the right answer?

take the mizutani so master_of_loops and valerikim will be able to play somebody else using it.

Anyone else?
I got only 2 opinions...
I lean towards the ALC more than the MJ, but some guys here keep telling me to buy the MJ...

Hi best99,

first of all, I don't think that the JM is faster than the ALC or TBS, Butterfly gives wrong ratings here (all with T05 2.1 rubbers). They are in the same range and the main difference is the dwell time and the feeling.

The ALC is more direct than the JM and has less dwell time, but still feels a bit softer. The JM has more catapult and flex, and I would not call the blade hard (maybe due to its flex), at least not in comparison to a PC (I don't have one, but played some balls with the PC of a friend).

Both blades offer a good control. The ALC has a bit a larger sweet spot, but I personally prefer the JM (clearer signal of the ball impact).

Both blades can produce a lot of spin. The ALC because it is soft for a carbon blade and the JM because it has so much dwell time. The amount of spin you can produce with these blades depends on your technique.
For me personally, I would say in general I produce more spin with the JM because the ball dwells longer, but I would say that it is easier to produce heavy spin on slow loops with the ALC, because the catapult effect is less intense.

All in all I personally prefer the JM over the ALC, in particular because it enhances the serve/return game in comparison to the ALC for me.

For more information, check:
http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29640&KW=

Best99 wrote: Hi guys, I am currently playing with a Primorac Carbon with 2 Tenergys 05 2.1 mm. In terms of feeling, I don't like that hard feel that my blade offers, so I am looking for a softer and maybe slower blade. I also want it to have more control and SPIN. Looking for some info, I found out that both these blades offer more control and spin than my primorac carbon, but I don't really know which one I should buy. Doing a short research, I discovered that the new Innerforce blades don't have the ALC version, and some people say that ZLC blades will replace old ALC blades, but I do not know if that's really true. Do you know if that is gonna happen? I am a 2 winged looper that loves to put the more spin to the ball I can. I can describe myself as a 3rd ball attacker that loves to top spin the boll whenever possible. I have been playing for 5 years now, 3 times or 4 a week, 2.5 - 3 hours per practice (I say this so you can measure my level). Which blade would you suggest me? PS: what are the differences between ALC and ZLC blades? I know ALC has a softer feel, and maybe it is better for blocking, but which one is the best to spin the ball? Cheers

have you considered viscaria? its an arylate carbon blade aswell and is pretty damn fast, most likely faster than all other alc blades... i play with 05 on fh and its spin it unbelivable and still very fast aswell while being slower than your PB for sure

If you dont want to change rubber or find rubbers with a new blade that
other people are making a suggestion here, I think ALC is your answer.

If you want a more powerful blade that still meet your requirements,
MJ is your answer.

I tried ALC with T05 2.0 on FH and T64 on BH , and I have MJ with Genius Max on FH and Xiom Omega 3 2.0 on BH. All of the combination is good for
both side looper.

ThaiLe,