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New Dead Rubbers, Moon, Rapid Speed |
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thinman
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Posted: 12/13/2023 at 7:15pm |
Ok, so I was trying to find an equivalent to Hammond Pro Beta and ordered two Chinese rubbers off AliExpress from New, New Sport. An equipment experiment. Both arrived quickly and undamaged in sealed packages, by air freight. Glued the Yinhe Moon (max) on my Ludeack with Tear Mender, rolled and let stand overnight pressed under some heavy books; the Moon played with less bounce and grip than my 20 yo Yasaka Tornado 2.0 (black). I read one reviewer's comment on Moon that it took some playing time, but this was no improvement, so I tossed it. I used the same process/same glue w Rozena (on the Ludeack) and it feels, and plays, fine.Then tried a black sheet of the KTL Rapid speed (2.0) on my Darker Aqua blade using the same process. The Rapid felt ok with a bounce test before cutting when covered with the clear, shipping plastic sheet cover, but when I cut the rubber and removed the plastic factory cover, it too felt very, very dead, with hardly any bounce. It is grippy. I don't see or feel air pockets. It is unplayable and will likely be tossed.
How can I figure out what might be going (what I am doing wrong) with these apparently dead Chinese rubbers? Thanks, Thinman
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thinman
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Bounce test with a 40mm ball from 12 inches, racket flat on table:
Rozena 1.9 on Ludeack: 9-10 bounces, long taper Moon Max on Luceack: 3-4 KTL Rapid Speed 2.0 black on Darker: 3 20 yr old Mendo Energy On Darker Aqua: 5-6 Sticky residue on Rapid Speed rubber?
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cole_ely
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Yes the initial tack of almost any Chinese rubber renders the bounce test invalid at least until well broken in. Neither will ever be close to Hammond pro There are a lot of threads out there about this effect
Edited by cole_ely - 12/13/2023 at 10:04pm |
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thinman
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Yes, I understand neither are good replacements for, or even close, to the Hammond Pro Beta. I have given up on that.
Is there a way besides playing time to reduce the tack?
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John_S
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Simply put, they don't exist. They will never feel any better, I learnt it the hard way too.
Buy a normal Chinese rubber if you want a Chinese rubber, or buy a normal eurojap rubber if you want a eurojap rubber. There's the pink version of the loki rxton 3, that uses an improved porous sponge compared to the normal rxton 3, and it's incredible on the forehand. Hard but fast and controllable and fun and easy to play, with perfect feel and just perfect. You won't regret it. Back to the topic, there's no rubber made in China that feels or plays like a tensor. Only cheap rubbers with that newbies would use to get used to spin. Of course you can use them because they have really good performance, but they never have a speed glue effect or a strong catapult, that's exclusive to esn tensors and bty spring sponge. Daiki and Sumitomo have started to catch up, so we'll probably see more rubbers made in Japan from now and on.
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scrubbing with soapy water doesn't hurt and can clean off any tack from the plastic cover. Other than that, I break in new rubbers drilling and with the robot. I keep a couple of rackets, one ready to go and the other I'm playing with in practice and breaking in. if the sponge is hard you can put some glue in it and wrap it up overnight. The solvents will soften the sponge. Obviously gluing is the one way you could make the performance of your rubbers closer to what you want. The moon I used to get was tuned but it was already dried out by the time I got it (directly from Yinhe) more often than not. The pro version obviously sold a lot faster as it was always domed from tuning.
Edited by cole_ely - 12/14/2023 at 11:29am |
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thinman
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Thanks John and Cole_ely
I will try both suggestions. My Ludeack w the Rozena is perfectly playable, so I can break in the Rapid Speed during practice sessions. Back to Japanese rubbers, like Nittaku or Yasaka, I guess. Looking at Hammond CR, Rigan Spin for FH and still searching for the perfect BH rubber; might try Nittaku Flyatt Hard. Tenergy 25 seems like overkill. Much appreciate the feedback.
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Giant Dragon known to produce rubbers of tensorlike type playing much the same as ЕSN products. GD Illustrated Catalogue comprises tensors a lot.
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I didn't try anything that seemed any better than like 729 quality. Also you can't order from their catalog unless you want to order sufficient quantity that they will produce some for you. You cant just get a couple to try any more. |
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Those are very slow rubbers. Also, when you do a bounce test, hold the racket and not place it on the table. it's more accurate for a bounce test since when you are using the racket you are holding it.
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I have been doing a bounce test holding the racket. After a week, the Rapid Speed seems to have more bounce and be less sticky; still less bounce than Rozena, but more than my old Mendo Energy on the Darker blade. I have ordered some Nittaku Flyatt Hard from Japan and will report back. Thanks for the suggestions. Man, good test data on rubbers is either scanty or I am not looking in the right places.
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