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Topic: videos of yourself
Posted By: beeray1
Subject: videos of yourself
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 11:37am
Hi. I wanted to start a new topic for videos ofy ourself.
 
I know a few of you have posted in the past.. but i think it would be nice to have an official place to post your videos.
 
(Big ups to MOL.. we all want to see a video of you) Smile
 
Thanks.


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Replies:
Posted By: melarimsa
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 11:48am
I think we need star that also ...


Posted By: lildudejds
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 11:49am
In B4 closed by lixiao.

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Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 11:54am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVPWSA5U8As

im the guy at the end lol... my rating is 1000

whoever understands vietnamese will find this funnyLOL


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 12:03pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ7xBwweKpA - I'm the guy in Black...enjoy!!!


Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 12:16pm
nice video...uh question Big%20smile...do you guys remove free arm during the service?

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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

nice video...uh question Big%20smile...do you guys remove free arm during the service?


I Try...TongueTongue


Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVPWSA5U8As

im the guy at the end lol... my rating is 1000

whoever understands vietnamese will find this funnyLOL


I don't understand Vietnamese, but that last serve??..hilarious!


Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 12:28pm
Themans clips.
he said the last serve was a sucide. coz he did an serve missed.
 
Theman play show some video there u play with some one are in thesame lvl as u=) some loop or rally=)
 
 
pablos clips.
 
the video was good u guy can really play hehe. how was it playing TT out door? without roof above.


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 12:46pm
Originally posted by Superserv Superserv wrote:

 
pablos clips.
 
the video was good u guy can really play hehe. how was it playing TT out door? without roof above.


Superserv, thanks.  Playing TT outdoor has its pros and cons - wind factor is a bummer and if you have a loud rubber, it won't be as loud as it should be in an indoor setting.




Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 2:47pm

LOL Good videos!!!LOL I wait this for almost 2 weeks!

This is my pro review:
pablogilberto, you have such good backhand! Kreanga BH is nothing compare to you! I never see that strong backhand!!! Or it was backhand smash? You are probably 3000 rating? Wow you are my new TT idol. When Butterfly release your blade, I will using it forever!!! Maybe you are world TT outdoor champion? But we cannot forget thenam crazy TT style. thenam, are you play on paralympic games Beijing 2008? I heard you lost in semis from pablogilberto? Is this true?
 
But I cant understand only one thing? How people who play TT for last 5 years each day (thenam and pablogilberto) can play like this? I think you should change to other sport!
 
PS: I hope you moderators dont ban me because of this post, because I am telling 100% true!!! pablogilberto and thenam, please dont hate me because I only want to help you guys, and I am telling the true of your awful game! I also sugest you guys to not be EJ of TT, because you dont need for that, because you would play TT same with cell phone or with Butterfly extra blades and rubbers.


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Posted By: nick911sc
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 3:01pm
How old are you MOL?..You really need to learn some respect for people. 

I'd like to see some of your videos.


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Posted By: F.Z.
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 3:04pm
MOL when is your video coming???

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Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 3:04pm
I am 19 years old

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Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 3:05pm
Originally posted by F.Z. F.Z. wrote:

MOL when is your video coming???
 
When I make him


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 3:08pm
Oh.. the mods are your best friends they won't banned you MOL... Wink
Well at least they have the guts to put their video up here.. which shows that they are better man than... anyone who only talk the talk and .. well basically only talk.. talk.. talk.. talk.. talk.. talk..



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Posted By: F.Z.
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

Originally posted by F.Z. F.Z. wrote:

MOL when is your video coming???
 
When I make him


when are you going to make it?


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by F.Z. F.Z. wrote:

Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

Originally posted by F.Z. F.Z. wrote:

MOL when is your video coming???
 
When I make him


when are you going to make it?


Errrr... it will take him FOREVER to make the video..
Guys have we gone this path before.. he will never make and post his video because errr.. see my post above.. LOL


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Posted By: nick911sc
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

I am 19 years old


The fact that you're 19 and act this way is very odd to me.  I'm 20 and would never imagine being so immature.


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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 5:08pm

hehe I dont get u MOL. u are like dragon kid said....talk n talk...n talk..

comeon show us ur looping style like JM man...be a man and show us how to play TT if u are really good in this 40 mm ballsport.

PS: Plz dont disrespect no one. everyone is perfectThumbs%20Up

I will upload my training video this week so keep update here.Big%20smile

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Need to add more speed to my FH.

need MORE speed

I WILL use THIS COMBO 4EVER!


Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

LOL Good videos!!!LOL I wait this for almost 2 weeks!

This is my pro review:
pablogilberto, you have such good backhand! Kreanga BH is nothing compare to you! I never see that strong backhand!!! Or it was backhand smash? You are probably 3000 rating? Wow you are my new TT idol. When Butterfly release your blade, I will using it forever!!! Maybe you are world TT outdoor champion? But we cannot forget thenam crazy TT style. thenam, are you play on paralympic games Beijing 2008? I heard you lost in semis from pablogilberto? Is this true?
 
But I cant understand only one thing? How people who play TT for last 5 years each day (thenam and pablogilberto) can play like this? I think you should change to other sport!
 
PS: I hope you moderators dont ban me because of this post, because I am telling 100% true!!! pablogilberto and thenam, please dont hate me because I only want to help you guys, and I am telling the true of your awful game! I also sugest you guys to not be EJ of TT, because you dont need for that, because you would play TT same with cell phone or with Butterfly extra blades and rubbers.


first of all, u r referring to a totally different person in the united states LOL [im sure he would be very offended].

2nd, show some respect, at ur age, develop some sense and stop being an A hole, whenever u open ur typing mouth, u seem to type things which u clearly dont think about before saying it. show some consideration and be more respectful around different tt players, no one's a wang liqin here, im sure ur not the best player in the world.


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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 9:14pm
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

When Butterfly release your blade, I will using it forever!!!


LIES! LIES! LIES!!!!!!!

You're using the Jun Mizutani forever!


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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 9:15pm
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

Originally posted by F.Z. F.Z. wrote:

MOL when is your video coming???
 
When I make him


And to clarify, he meant "YOUR video", not Pete Zsolt's.


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 9:40pm
Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

When I make him


And to clarify, he meant "YOUR video", not Pete Zsolt's.


LOL
good one, cmetsbeltran15 LOL




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Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 9:48pm
MOL did post a video of "himself" once, but it was of another professional player instead, someone busted his lie.

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Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 10:25pm
Here's my share. I'm the one in black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE0PwG9F-e4


Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 10:28pm
oh god the music!!! rock and roll tiger!!!!Big%20smile

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Schlager u beast

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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 09/09/2008 at 11:19pm
i didnt know that about MOL posting a video passing it off as himself.. that's where all these jokes come from!!!!
 
honestly MOL, i dont want to insult you, or anyone. But just post your video. Obviously there's nothing to hide.. I'm not saying you aren't as good as you say you are.. whether I agree with all your disrespect or not, i dont care. We all just want to see you play finally, and you keep putting it off. Why do you keep putting it off? What do you have to hide? If you are as good as you put off.. then you should be excited to show us how good you are! really, I'm not trying to flame you or start something with you, I just want to see you play, along with everyone else.
 
thanks.


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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 3:00am

here I finally found very bad quality video during my training Nov 2007

I play here with highpoint in the FH and dippler in the BH.

I am the little guy other side not the black shirt man.
 
edit.
 
play this Vid vlc mediaplayer and dont use fullscreen. the Video took with a cellphone so plz dont just the qualityTongue
use very small screen to get best view.
 
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BLBJP8DE - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BLBJP8DE
 
 


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Photino ST
sinuz alfa max FH/BH
Need to add more speed to my FH.

need MORE speed

I WILL use THIS COMBO 4EVER!


Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 4:00am
Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

i didnt know that about MOL posting a video passing it off as himself.. that's where all these jokes come from!!!!


well.. that's not the only reason...


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 5:56am
I bet MOL is totally shared between being much better than average (us???) at the game and much lower that average when it's about making friends.
He wants both and still can't choose.
He needs to learn that he does not have to choose: he just can take both. That's it. Just take both and play and make more friends who will make you play even better.
Good luck MOL. Your big mouth is just funny and I wish you go all the way up in the game.
I have the feeling you could do it if you can direct your energy into strong practice with the right coach and  practice partners.
I understand the reserve/respect/bowing attitude of some people who think TT is a martial art and who do not like MOL's big mouth. I think they are right and that European TT compared with Asian's is low because of that; but it's also more fun sometimes for the same reason Big%20smile.
All right if Europeans want to win they need to shut up and practice more. And the coach needs to stay at the table while the player practices serves and everything else; and they need to stop stopping practicing when it starting to hurt a bit...that's embarrassing when it gets known.
Oh euh...I almost forgot...MOL post a video (training FH loop with Mizutani + T05)


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Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 7:42am
I dont want to show some respect to people that dont show respect to me! When you laugh at me, you were happy. But when somebody touch you in the heart you imidiatlely start being p.....

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Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 8:39am
You don't want to show respect, period, so letes not get into semantics. And not everyone can be a great player, doesnt matter, you still don't make fun of their game or their style, its called simple manners. I am sure you are no good at everything you do MoL, and I am sure there are many players out there much better than you are, so its best to not go there and make fun of someone that is not as good as we are.

For example, I used to box as well, and I can still throw a mean combination. Doesn't mean I can challenge you to a boxing match does it? Or would you like to go a few rounds?


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 9:11am
Originally posted by Ranger-man Ranger-man wrote:

You don't want to show respect, period, so letes not get into semantics. And not everyone can be a great player, doesnt matter, you still don't make fun of their game or their style, its called simple manners. I am sure you are no good at everything you do MoL, and I am sure there are many players out there much better than you are, so its best to not go there and make fun of someone that is not as good as we are.

For example, I used to box as well, and I can still throw a mean combination. Doesn't mean I can challenge you to a boxing match does it? Or would you like to go a few rounds?


uh-oh...he doesn't stand a chance Ranger-man...


Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 9:14am
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

I dont want to show some respect to people that dont show respect to me! When you laugh at me, you were happy. But when somebody touch you in the heart you imidiatlely start being pussy.
 
 
What are you talkin about?
 
You've been bragging about how good you are for a long time now. You've posted fake videos of yourself, you've stated that you've found the best combo ever before even trying that particular combo, or all the combos available in the world. Of course we are a bit sceptical. If you have such great self confidence, why don't you just post a video and get it over with? I have thought to myself at least a hundred times that you must be a forum troll, but you have over 700 posts, and you never stop, so I can't really believe that either. (most of them are double or tripple or even worse though, so I guess you're actually around 400 or something)
 
So some of the guys here post a video, I am sure none of them are training to become world champion or something (no offence) and you start making fun of them, and keep telling them to change to another sport. Now why the he..y would the do that? I play the sport I love for fun, and nobody can come here and tell me to quit.
 
We don't laugh at you, we laugh at the way you're acting. I have a hard time accepting that you're actually older than me. Based on some of your statements you should be a combination of Wang Liqin and the most knowledgable equipment dealer in the world!
 
And another thing.. Please, PLEASE read your posts before you post them!
 
I had nothing against you before you started bragging, telling other people what's best for them and generally acting like your 5 years old.
 
Now keep this topic on topic! I won't accept another post from you or anybody else regarding this discussion about who's father is the strongest or whatever. If you feel that I've been unfair to you in this post, then send me a pm!
 
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Feel free to post more videos of yourself! It's interesting to see how other people play, and I'm sure you could get a lot of tips from some of the members here!
 
Also feel free to discuss the videos, but please don't make this topic into another discussion about MOL. He has gotten enough attention as it is..


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Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 9:38am
Thank you Schlager. 

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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 9:43am
hey anyone seen my video yet? give me some feedback.

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Need to add more speed to my FH.

need MORE speed

I WILL use THIS COMBO 4EVER!


Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 9:59am
Originally posted by Superserv Superserv wrote:

here I finally found very bad quality video during my training Nov 2007

I play here with highpoint in the FH and dippler in the BH.

I am the little guy other side not the black shirt man.
 
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BLBJP8DE - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BLBJP8DE
 
 


im trying to c ur form, but the quality is so bad, you cant expect answers man



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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 10:05am
Originally posted by Superserv Superserv wrote:

hey anyone seen my video yet? give me some feedback.


Dude, Megaupload's blocked in my workplace, so I'll give my feedback later tonight.

Cheers!


Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 10:50am
Originally posted by peds peds wrote:

Here's my share. I'm the one in black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE0PwG9F-e4


I only watch half the vid, and here is what i think..
The guy in the white is very good.. I don't think he played 100% there..
Peds you have a good technique, but the guy in white is not putting too much pressure on you so it's hard to really see your game..
But bottom line i think you have a good technical basic. Keep up the good work..

@Superserv.. I cannot see your video.. how do i download from megaupload? they have a different front page.. where do i go to d/l Superserve vid?


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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 12:10pm
I will get a better Vid tomorrow night be update=).
 
those who cant see the Vid use VLC mediaplayer then u will be able to see the Vid. sorry about the quali.


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Photino ST
sinuz alfa max FH/BH
Need to add more speed to my FH.

need MORE speed

I WILL use THIS COMBO 4EVER!


Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

LOL Good videos!!!LOL I wait this for almost 2 weeks!

This is my pro review:
pablogilberto, you have such good backhand! Kreanga BH is nothing compare to you! I never see that strong backhand!!! Or it was backhand smash? You are probably 3000 rating? Wow you are my new TT idol. When Butterfly release your blade, I will using it forever!!! Maybe you are world TT outdoor champion? But we cannot forget thenam crazy TT style. thenam, are you play on paralympic games Beijing 2008? I heard you lost in semis from pablogilberto? Is this true?
 
But I cant understand only one thing? How people who play TT for last 5 years each day (thenam and pablogilberto) can play like this? I think you should change to other sport!
 
PS: I hope you moderators dont ban me because of this post, because I am telling 100% true!!! pablogilberto and thenam, please dont hate me because I only want to help you guys, and I am telling the true of your awful game! I also sugest you guys to not be EJ of TT, because you dont need for that, because you would play TT same with cell phone or with Butterfly extra blades and rubbers.


You're a Ass MOL.  Who are you to tell me to quit the sport and find another one anyway! Regardless of my skill level - i play the game for the fun, love, and passion off it.  I don't play it to impress or offend people by ridiculing how others play compared to mine.

So comon, post your vid already - unless you're all talk (which is actually the case), there's really nothing to hide.


Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 12:39pm
Pablo, just ignore the guy, he is not worth it, we all play the game for fun here. We love the game, thats all. Just have fun, and don't let him spoil it for us.

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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 12:41pm
True ranger, but its kinda hard when he always make some stupid spam post in reply to you, or something that is meant to piss you off.

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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 12:43pm
Originally posted by Superserv Superserv wrote:

hey anyone seen my video yet? give me some feedback.


ok, i finally figured out how megaupload works.. this is the first time ever i d/l from there Tongue

Superserv, like the man said the quality is very poor so it's hard to even see the ball and it's a practice video so it's hard to give a feed back since you are doing the same routine over and over again..
Try to put up a vid of you playing a match, we'll be able to give you good feedback.

@theman. your vid is hilarious, it's more fun than competition in it.. but sometimes we need to have that, i always have something to laugh at every club night. So much fun in this sport!!!

@PabloGilberto. Bad a$$ backhand.. you pretty big too, how tall are you?
Spot on on the serve, you should move your non playing hand out of the vision line..


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 1:03pm
Originally posted by Ranger-man Ranger-man wrote:

Pablo, just ignore the guy, he is not worth it, we all play the game for fun here. We love the game, thats all. Just have fun, and don't let him spoil it for us.


I do realize that Ranger-man, but I guess I got ticked there.  Anyway, you're right again -  we love the game and that's all there is to it.


Posted By: metalone
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 1:20pm
Nice videos guys!  Having fun is what counts, if your only pleasure was to play like Wang Hao, then no one would ever play.  Even Wang Hao played at a low level when he started, so if you only enjoy being a great playing, then you wouldn't enjoy playing at all and you would never reach a higher level.
 
MOL is an interesting character, from watching his replies and crazy statements, I believe that he is not being sincere.  I cannot believe that a sane person can act the way he does and actually believe it.  Case in point, every blade that he has had, is the "LAST ONE EVER!"  Now he is pushing the MJ and doesn't even have it, but makes sure that he restates his oppinions regarding it's performance, just to stir the pot and see what happens.  I think it is time to stop even acknowleding he even exist, until he creates a new screen name and in a short time he will reveal his character again, unless his provacative statements become more original.  Go back and search on his past life as Speed_King, you will see the same routine.  I think he is enjoying all the reply's to his nonsense.


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Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 1:48pm
I second that motion metalone. 

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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by metalone metalone wrote:

Nice videos guys!  Having fun is what counts, if your only pleasure was to play like Wang Hao, then no one would ever play.  Even Wang Hao played at a low level when he started, so if you only enjoy being a great playing, then you wouldn't enjoy playing at all and you would never reach a higher level.
 
MOL is an interesting character, from watching his replies and crazy statements, I believe that he is not being sincere.  I cannot believe that a sane person can act the way he does and actually believe it.  Case in point, every blade that he has had, is the "LAST ONE EVER!"  Now he is pushing the MJ and doesn't even have it, but makes sure that he restates his oppinions regarding it's performance, just to stir the pot and see what happens.  I think it is time to stop even acknowleding he even exist, until he creates a new screen name and in a short time he will reveal his character again, unless his provacative statements become more original.  Go back and search on his past life as Speed_King, you will see the same routine.  I think he is enjoying all the reply's to his nonsense.


Here here!!

I guess that's what happens when one was never breastfed?? LOLLOL


Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 2:49pm
Ok, at the same time, lets not get carried away and criticize him too much, or we will soon become a nuisance ourselves. Lets just talk about the game, and all that friendly banter that comes with it. Smile

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Posted By: nick911sc
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 2:53pm
I wish I could post my own video because I am really just starting out.   But I have to wait until I can set up my table inside(it's outside right now). And I plan to buy a robot so I'll be looking for technique advice when the time comes. haha

Hey Pablo great name and Avatar!
Paul Gilbert is an amazing guitarist and Silence Followed by a Deafening Roar is a great album as well! Shows real growth in his playing.


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by nick911sc nick911sc wrote:

I wish I could post my own video because I am really just starting out.   But I have to wait until I can set up my table inside(it's outside right now). And I plan to buy a robot so I'll be looking for technique advice when the time comes. haha

Hey Pablo great name and Avatar!
Paul Gilbert is an amazing guitarist and Silence Followed by a Deafening Roar is a great album as well! Shows real growth in his playing.


@ nick - yeah, he's my guitar hero. hehehe, one amazing artist and album. you play?

sorry for hijacking the thread folks!!




Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 3:22pm
lol gilberto, its ok, you have not hijacked the thread, I was just imagining you playing table tennis with a guitar hehehe. Sorry dude, just kidding. 

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Posted By: nick911sc
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 3:24pm
Originally posted by pablogilberto pablogilberto wrote:

Originally posted by nick911sc nick911sc wrote:

I wish I could post my own video because I am really just starting out.   But I have to wait until I can set up my table inside(it's outside right now). And I plan to buy a robot so I'll be looking for technique advice when the time comes. haha

Hey Pablo great name and Avatar!
Paul Gilbert is an amazing guitarist and Silence Followed by a Deafening Roar is a great album as well! Shows real growth in his playing.


@ nick - yeah, he's my guitar hero. hehehe, one amazing artist and album. you play?

sorry for hijacking the thread folks!!




Yea I play.  He's also my idol!!  But I haven't been able to play in a few months because of school and work and stuff.


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by Ranger-man Ranger-man wrote:

lol gilberto, its ok, you have not hijacked the thread, I was just imagining you playing table tennis with a guitar hehehe. Sorry dude, just kidding. 


Lol - it's all good...yeah, why don't i use the blade handle for a guitar slide - i wonder how that would sound! LOL


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 4:12pm
so, my opinion is to stop with the MOL situation.. if this thread ends up closed or something, it would be stupid because i believe this thread is a good idea.
 
How many total videos do we have now? something like 3 or 4? I can't watch the megaupload one at school.. so that will have to wait.
 
Thanks for everyone who is posting your videos by the way. I can't post one anytime soon.. I've been in a playing slump, nobody to play with and no where to play when i do have someone. Ive only played my new setup once, and that was with Sriver FX on the BH.. i havent even taken the plastic off of the higher 3 to play it yet.. and im anxious because i dont see anyone who has ever tried that on the HK before. I just look at it for the past week.. with tears in my eyes and sadness in my heart.... Cry
 
I want to post a video of a guy at my club if i ever get to... he has the best FH i've ever seen in person. penholder, puts so much on his loops that it comes down like a bird of prey. Never has to hit more than 2 before he either gets to point or makes a mistake.


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Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 4:47pm
This topic won't be closed :)
 
I'll just keep deleting every post from MOL (if it's not on topic) or any post regarding him (unless he actually posts a video.... riight)
 
I think it's a good topic, and I'm actually kind of ashamed that I didn't come up with it earlier :)


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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 09/10/2008 at 11:51pm
Thanks Schlager that's reassuring :)
 
Let's try to keep putting more videos on.
 
Does anyone get video of themselves at tournaments ever? I know a bunch of people including Lixiao just got done with a tournament. Any video?
 
or MOL, didn't you get back from some 7 day long event? any video from that?
 
thanks.


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Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 4:44am
guys, in half an hr im going to the homebush teams event metropolitan tournament, we play in the C grade division, i think tonite we're playing the semi finals against tough opposition..ill post the video later tonite!

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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 5:00am

MOL will post a vid on chen qi soon, i guess



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Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 5:26am
@dragon kid

Thanks man! Well appreciated. Here are my other videos in slow motion. Sorry about that. I'll post my other videos soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjKvFPV0Tc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtke390esc

I'm 27yrs old and a working professional. I really enjoyed the sport because this is my way of relieving stress.


Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 6:21am
Originally posted by peds peds wrote:

@dragon kid

Thanks man! Well appreciated. Here are my other videos in slow motion. Sorry about that. I'll post my other videos soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjKvFPV0Tc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtke390esc

I'm 27yrs old and a working professional. I really enjoyed the sport because this is my way of relieving stress.


Peds, which one are you? Guy in Blue or Green? I hope to play with you when I'm in Manila.


Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 6:47am
@pablo

I'm the guy in green. Where are you located in the Philippines? It will be my pleasure to play with you. Let's make a video and post it here.


Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 6:55am
@peds where do you usually play?


Posted By: Ranger-man
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 8:46am
Nice videos Ped, and nice game, I like. :)

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Posted By: gatz
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 11:01am
Originally posted by pablogilberto pablogilberto wrote:

@peds

I'm in Cebu, where do you usually play?
 
    they play in shaft makatiBig%20smile. Philtt members often this place.   Here's mineWink
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMab7s9JoI&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMab7s9JoI&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKW7xyp4xCA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKW7xyp4xCA
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LyZ3g4pvnI&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LyZ3g4pvnI&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUxykmlBDGU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUxykmlBDGU
am the old ladyLOL


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by peds peds wrote:

@dragon kid

Thanks man! Well appreciated. Here are my other videos in slow motion. Sorry about that. I'll post my other videos soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjKvFPV0Tc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtke390esc

I'm 27yrs old and a working professional. I really enjoyed the sport because this is my way of relieving stress.


Funny..
I've seen the first video, i cannot remember when but i've seen that before, have you posted the link somewhere else?
The vids confirms that you have solid technique on the FH. And you rely very much on those FH. IMO, you are quite advance in TT. How long have you been playing???
I think you and Pablo is pretty equal, it would be interesting to see both of you going at each other. I think Pablo might edge you a little, because he have that nasty BH. But i am not so sure.. it's hard to tell from just a few videos LOL


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Posted By: Tomii
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 2:36pm
Originally posted by pablogilberto pablogilberto wrote:

Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVPWSA5U8As

im the guy at the end lol... my rating is 1000

whoever understands vietnamese will find this funnyLOL


I don't understand Vietnamese, but that last serve??..hilarious!


They are just sayin "good match hahaha" "sure thing hahha"


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Posted By: Tomii
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by gatz gatz wrote:

Originally posted by pablogilberto pablogilberto wrote:

@peds

I'm in Cebu, where do you usually play?
 
    they play in shaft makatiBig%20smile. Here's mineWink
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMab7s9JoI&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMab7s9JoI&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKW7xyp4xCA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKW7xyp4xCA
 
am the old ladyLOL


HEY! haven't you made a "sandpaper stuff video?:P i recognized that little room:D:D


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by gatz gatz wrote:

Originally posted by pablogilberto pablogilberto wrote:

@peds

I'm in Cebu, where do you usually play?
 
    they play in shaft makatiBig%20smile. Here's mineWink
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMab7s9JoI&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlMab7s9JoI&feature=related
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKW7xyp4xCA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKW7xyp4xCA
 
am the old ladyLOL


Ma'am Gatz, thanks!!



Posted By: Tomii
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 2:59pm
Well it's not really connected to the topic, but i once saw a video of someone playing with a frying pan, if someone could give me a link please i would really appreciate it

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 3:05pm
One day I saw a coach playing his former student.
 
First  I have to say this coach has an excellent reputation and really gives people good training. To beginners that coach gives excellent form in no time with good advice on strokes and footwork.
 
With that special student though things did not work at all. After a couple years of coaching (1 hour/week + normal hours at the club) the student was as bad as it gets. The student eventually quit and later they met at the club and the coach played his former student with a plastic hair brush (penhold style).
 
I thought it was kind of funny and sad at the same time.
 


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Posted By: gatz
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by dragon kid dragon kid wrote:

Originally posted by peds peds wrote:

@dragon kid

Thanks man! Well appreciated. Here are my other videos in slow motion. Sorry about that. I'll post my other videos soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJjKvFPV0Tc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtke390esc

I'm 27yrs old and a working professional. I really enjoyed the sport because this is my way of relieving stress.


Funny..
I've seen the first video, i cannot remember when but i've seen that before, have you posted the link somewhere else?
The vids confirms that you have solid technique on the FH. And you rely very much on those FH. IMO, you are quite advance in TT. How long have you been playing???
I think you and Pablo is pretty equal, it would be interesting to see both of you going at each other. I think Pablo might edge you a little, because he have that nasty BH. But i am not so sure.. it's hard to tell from just a few videos LOL
 
I Am a has been  playerLOL am in my middle age now but i can still play okay. Actually my backhand is more deadly than my forehand i used both short pips. And yes i play with sandpaper blade as well. I have posted this video on my darker review.


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Posted By: pablogilberto
Date Posted: 09/11/2008 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by Tomii Tomii wrote:

Originally posted by pablogilberto pablogilberto wrote:

Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVPWSA5U8As

im the guy at the end lol... my rating is 1000

whoever understands vietnamese will find this funnyLOL


I don't understand Vietnamese, but that last serve??..hilarious!


They are just sayin "good match hahaha" "sure thing hahha"


Thanks Tomii! Now I need to learn how to say it. Smile


Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 12:46am
@pablo
I usually play at Shaft Sportshub in Makati City. Sometimes in Ateneo and Metropolis. By the way, do you play at Hua Ching? Maybe you know Handel Yap. If yes, say my regards to him.

@ranger-man
Thanks so much man. I really enjoy the sport.

@gatz
Hi ma'am.. how's Philtt?

@dragon kid
Yup! I posted them somewhere asking about my rating based on my videos. I play all-around.. sometimes offensive and sometimes defensive. I learned the basics mid of year 2006. I do agree that pablo do have an advantage over me. I really don't care if I lose since it's going to be a friendly match. My goal is to meet other players and make friends.


Posted By: ole77
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 4:00am
Originally posted by Tomii Tomii wrote:

Well it's not really connected to the topic, but i once saw a video of someone playing with a frying pan, if someone could give me a link please i would really appreciate it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS9_Dq4HDj8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS9_Dq4HDj8


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 8:05am
Originally posted by peds peds wrote:


@dragon kid
Yup! I posted them somewhere asking about my rating based on my videos. I play all-around.. sometimes offensive and sometimes defensive. I learned the basics mid of year 2006. I do agree that pablo do have an advantage over me. I really don't care if I lose since it's going to be a friendly match. My goal is to meet other players and make friends.


I knew i watched that vid before.. Wink
Yes, there is so much more to TT than winning.. The brotherhood of TT players is one thing i love most.. It doesn't matter what your skin color, race, nationality is, if you love TT that we all are brothersss!!!




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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 12:26pm
hey theman, video yet?

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Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 12:46pm
i just watched myself play...good god at this rate ill be rated 1000 forever!



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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

i just watched myself play...good god at this rate ill be rated 1000 forever!


You should add fighting spirit to your play.. you'll be 1500 FOREVAAA!!! Wink


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Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 09/12/2008 at 1:17pm
fighting spirirt, oh  i tried that, it worked, maybe for 1 or 2 points, but no no it doesnt work when u dont have technique LOL

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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 2:17pm

Theman

upload the video here then

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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 5:50pm
Originally posted by Master_of_loops Master_of_loops wrote:

I dont want to show some respect to people that dont show respect to me! When you laugh at me, you were happy. But when somebody touch you in the heart you imidiatlely start being pussy.
 
Disaster of Fruitloops......... I find your language to be quite abusive and totally uncalled for.  Do you have to be such a potty mouth?
 
Where are the mods when they should be here?
 
I guess the forum needs to have a R rating? 


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Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 09/13/2008 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by peds peds wrote:

Here's my share. I'm the one in black.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE0PwG9F-e4
 
peds......thats awesome!    Thats what it's about.  Having fun and making cool vids.   I dig the tunes too.  THX   Clap


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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/14/2008 at 4:12pm
edit done

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need MORE speed

I WILL use THIS COMBO 4EVER!


Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 09/15/2008 at 6:00am
Try if you can open the video in Windows Movie Maker. Then go to the Video Effects. There are effects there that can rotate the video 90, 180 and 270 degrees. Hope that helps.


Posted By: Low Tek
Date Posted: 09/15/2008 at 10:16am
There are some free 3GP editors that you can get. Just google "3GP editor".

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Posted By: Recanter
Date Posted: 09/15/2008 at 2:14pm
The guys playing outside are actually quite good. No point comparing to professionals like Kreanga etc Its like comparing people to Federer or Tiger Woods

Otherwise everybody would be a top 20 player.  I praise they guys who had enough courage to post the videos, I enjoyed them thanks! :)


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Posted By: palla
Date Posted: 09/17/2008 at 1:32pm
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=yQfD5_w5qhY - http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=yQfD5_w5qhY
there i was 16 years old,now i'm 18.that was a good point against a decent player...


Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 3:32am
here is my training footworks Video. leave comment if u want.
 
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AEF2VTCF - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AEF2VTCF
 
 


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sinuz alfa max FH/BH
Need to add more speed to my FH.

need MORE speed

I WILL use THIS COMBO 4EVER!


Posted By: holda
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 3:46am
Originally posted by pablogilberto pablogilberto wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ7xBwweKpA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ7xBwweKpA

I'm the guy in Black...enjoy!!!
i liked the clip.nice place you have there,very privateWink
i also spotted the black dog minding its own business while you guys were playing.i guess dog got used to.


Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 5:59am
Here's another one from me.. taken last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeVsd_Wa4o

I'm the one in black again..


Posted By: Recanter
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 6:17am
The forehand loop you did at 55 secs was nice and the serve at 1 minute was excellent! Keep em coming! :)

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Posted By: peds
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 6:24am
Originally posted by Recanter Recanter wrote:

The forehand loop you did at 55 secs was nice and the serve at 1 minute was excellent! Keep em coming! :)


Thanks! I copied that serve from Timo Boll's video in Youtube.


Posted By: Drewie
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Superserv Superserv wrote:

here is my training footworks Video. leave comment if u want.
 
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AEF2VTCF - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AEF2VTCF
 
 
 
 
My god you are slow ;)
 
 
 
 
 
 
(we train in the same club)


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Posted By: Superserv
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 8:38am
yeah I know. but my partner on the otherside sucks.

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sinuz alfa max FH/BH
Need to add more speed to my FH.

need MORE speed

I WILL use THIS COMBO 4EVER!


Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 9:26am
c'mon guys, post more vids of yourselves! interesting to put faces (and games) to the names on the forum :)
heres a vid i took in may/june during a tournament....hope its not too shabby!


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Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 9:28am
oh..heres the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmwlrcw28K8
i'm the one in the purple


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Posted By: packtim
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 9:38am
This thread is dogsh*t.  Its 90 posts of people bitching and whining, and about 10 posts of actual videos.

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Posted By: DeathAngel
Date Posted: 09/18/2008 at 11:04am
Originally posted by 7homuz 7homuz wrote:

oh..heres the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmwlrcw28K8
i'm the one in the purple


U looked good in the video but i cant say much because im not good enough yet and havnt even seen myself play. I was just wondering if the western open had some school teams in it because i think its the tournament our school team went to but i missed it for holidays.


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