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Topic: Interested to see what you make of my style.
Posted By: JKC
Subject: Interested to see what you make of my style.
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:03pm
By popular demand here is a vid of me practicing tonight. I am the one in the stripey shirt who walks around the court swinging his arm a lot.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fggacT5qoXo - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fggacT5qoXo

My mate was struggling a lot with his rubbers and a lack of practice, so I have cut out a lot of service winners etc or you would get really bored.


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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:05pm
Wait are you the guy in front?

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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:11pm
I just realized it doesn't actually look stripey on the vid, but rest assured it isn't pink, it is red, blue and white stripes.
I start off nearest the camera.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:12pm
juan, good to c ya in practise. man i still got a lot to learn, what i like about ur play is ur so relaxed, espcially on that fh side, something i need to still get used to.
ur loops reminds me of the hungarians in the 70s, u follow through smoothly and get those crazy angles, just like a jonyer of gergley lol.

my fav moment was that going for broke swinging ur hand to the other side, behind ur back,  a timo boll moment lol.


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Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:16pm
Clarify please as there is more than  one "stripey" shirt being worn in the vid.

Curious like a monkey.


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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by Juan King Carlo Juan King Carlo wrote:

I just realized it doesn't actually look stripey on the vid, but rest assured it isn't pink, it is red, blue and white stripes.
I start off nearest the camera.
 
there you go.
 
I'm still loading it, as my computer is slow. Can't wait to see it though.


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:20pm
I am the one without the beard.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:26pm
You need to really work on your fitness level, alot. YOu were barely moving at all.

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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:29pm
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

You need to really work on your fitness level, alot. YOu were barely moving at all.
And you want to work on your tact.
Why move when you don't need to?
There are many things I could work on if I wanted to and if I had the time, maybe TT is not important enough to me at the moment. I have a family and a job and many other things going on. I don't just sit at my computer all day and then pop out for a bit of TT you know.
 
As you anticipation improves, you will look like you are moving less too LiXiao.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:30pm
thats so true. move only when u have to

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i lost my racquet

Schlager u beast

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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 7:39pm

thats what i was just going to say- didn't look like he really had to move..what he was doing was working obviously. Why run to a ball if its right there? if what youre doing is working, why change it?

I thought that was obvious.. Besides i've ran into so many players who dont need to move because they have great tactics, strategy, and placement over a lot of people.

Maybe you need to play a little more in real life. Watching professionals play all the time and comparing them to the rest of us is just unrealistic. They have to have every attribute to be hightened to compete at the world-class level. But i guess that stuff isn't always clear if youre still a beginner leveled player.

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Posted By: esnift
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 8:00pm
I was going to say something about how you move away from the table rather quickly but then realized it seems to work with that opponent so you were maybe just doing it in that situation. If I saw my opponent backing off the table that quickly I would take a few of his lobs quicker off the bounce and work him from side to side.

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Posted By: dimitris
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 8:27pm
One thing I noticed is that you do not smash the ball with the forehand when you have the chance, even when really high, for almost certain winners. Are you going easy with your opponent?

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Posted By: 77g33k
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

You need to really work on your fitness level, alot. YOu were barely moving at all.


Has MOL got liXiao's password?


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Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 8:36pm
is this really practice? Looks like you are just playing around. Also you are bowling with your forehand.


Posted By: salsaking
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 8:42pm
Yeah, your style looks relatively effortless - nice BHs off push. Your practice partner there looks much more intense.....

The other thing I noticed was the loud click of your partner's racket - what does he use??


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 8:55pm
In any sport, when you stop moving your opponent can beat you. Thats true in any racket sport. Be it tennis, squash, table tennis, badminton, etc etc. You watcht the pros play they are always moving. Take Ma Lin for example.

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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 8:57pm
And either way fitness is an issue.

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Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:02pm
good work guys ...your games are looking good .

the one thing i noticed was just that your arm looks to be really extended strait when u hit your FH loop....but at the same time it really looks like u use a lot of wrist action

keep up the good work


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

In any sport, when you stop moving your opponent can beat you. Thats true in any racket sport. Be it tennis, squash, table tennis, badminton, etc etc. You watcht the pros play they are always moving. Take Ma Lin for example.
 
Right LiXiao, we have heard you, now get back to watching some more pro vids and dreaming.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by salsaking salsaking wrote:

Yeah, your style looks relatively effortless - nice BHs off push. Your practice partner there looks much more intense.....

The other thing I noticed was the loud click of your partner's racket - what does he use??
 
He has Express (don't know which number) on FH and Tenergy on BH. He is really unhappy with the Express.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by dimitris dimitris wrote:

One thing I noticed is that you do not smash the ball with the forehand when you have the chance, even when really high, for almost certain winners. Are you going easy with your opponent?
I don't smash that often, looping is more fun. I was trying to keep the rallies going longer too.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: Kolev
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:11pm
Nice , stable,smooth. I like your shots......., but I wonder why did you have to step back so far? Is it because you were enjoying playing like this that very moment, or it is your style? More experienced, or faster player would take a quick advantage of such a situation

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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:26pm
Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

Nice , stable,smooth. I like your shots......., but I wonder why did you have to step back so far? Is it because you were enjoying playing like this that very moment, or it is your style? More experienced, or faster player would take a quick advantage of such a situation
 
I usually go to the table with Plan A - blitz people off with a heavy topspin loop and spinny blocks (to either side) after a chop or float serve or Plan B - back off and chase down everything looping it back to the corners.
 
You would be surprised how many faster, more experienced players can't take advantage when I am away from the table. I have very good anticipation and can actually move very fast considering my size when I need to. It isn't too long since I beat a player in the top 15 in England at a Grand Prix tournament using just this tactic and I am a better player now than I was then.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:29pm
Originally posted by Juan King Carlo Juan King Carlo wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

In any sport, when you stop moving your opponent can beat you. Thats true in any racket sport. Be it tennis, squash, table tennis, badminton, etc etc. You watcht the pros play they are always moving. Take Ma Lin for example.

 

Right LiXiao, we have heard you, now get back to watching some more pro vids and dreaming.


How can you deny that. Watching the pros makes you better. Otherwise why would training videos be made. So i guess you can go back to doing nothing when playing and just not learn.

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Posted By: ttman
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:33pm
sorry but he would smoke you lixiao, imho hes somewhere in the 21-2300 range

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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:37pm
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by Juan King Carlo Juan King Carlo wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

In any sport, when you stop moving your opponent can beat you. Thats true in any racket sport. Be it tennis, squash, table tennis, badminton, etc etc. You watcht the pros play they are always moving. Take Ma Lin for example.

 

Right LiXiao, we have heard you, now get back to watching some more pro vids and dreaming.


How can you deny that. Watching the pros makes you better. Otherwise why would training videos be made. So i guess you can go back to doing nothing when playing and just not learn.
 
Training vids are made so noobs like you can buy them and dream. You have to reach a certain level before you should be trying to copy the pro's. you would be better finding someone reasonable at your local club and asking them for a few tips.
 
Just put a link on to your vid LiXiao then we can all have a laugh.LOL


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by ttman ttman wrote:

sorry but he would smoke you lixiao, imho hes somewhere in the 21-2300 range


Hard to say from one vid, but I was thinking 2300 at least. Power, consistency, anticipation, and touch; that's a lot of goodies in his bag!

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Posted By: le xex
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:45pm
just curious, what rubber and blade were you using?


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:47pm
I use a Galaxy T-4, with LKT Rapid Sound. It seems to be the best combination so far for me, I have never felt so happy with a bat.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: magritte
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:52pm
I am a big fan of Juan King Carlo ever since I saw your serves video.

Now, I am even more of a fan. I love your style...the thinking man's game... delightful...filled with artful moves, spin skills, and wry deceptions with minimum pseudo-macho athletic struggles.

The power and speed game of the athletic youth bores me into a stupor...slam, slam, slam, loop, slam...

I would love to take lessons from you. I recently returned to the game after laying off since 1959. I'll be returning to study your style frequently.

Most of the guys who are into fitness don't have a style.

magritte



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Posted By: Nutriment6464
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 9:54pm
nice, smooth play, and he's right, he has a job and all, I don't think at this moment his main goal is the world top 10, so nice job.


Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 10:10pm
I never said he wasn't good. I actually think is quite good, but the point is, movement is very important.

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Posted By: 77g33k
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 10:23pm
It seems that you are generating your spins from your wrist. Is it really okay, I mean, doesn't it affect your consistency?My former coach usually scold me if I use wrist action for generating spins, he said it would be bad for consistency. I usually found my topspins more spinny if I use wrist power.


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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 11/09/2008 at 10:26pm
^ I think your coach is right when he said that. I would also imagine that ove time it could hurt your wrist.

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TSP Curl P-H OX


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 12:02am
Originally posted by ttman ttman wrote:

sorry but he would smoke you lixiao, imho hes somewhere in the 21-2300 range
 
Sorry no offense at all but hes no where near that high. I don't know what 21-2300 level players youve seen, but there are great differences. I'd say more like 1700. 1800 MAX. Definitely not 2000.
 
Also, you have to admit lixiao isnt saying anything false. Fitness is indeed greatly important. And we do indeed pick things up from watching professionals. The error in his comment is that JKC had no need to move so much, whether he has the ability or not, and he was trying to keep a rally going. Which is where i get that "1800 max" from. He probably has an extra kick that doesn't show on that video.  


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Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 12:24am
^ I'm 1800 and I couldn't handle this guy, not even close.

It's funny that you think an 1800 max player could defeat a player in the top 15 in England.

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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 12:34am
He reminds me of Larry Bavly a.k.a. "heavyspin".  In my estimate he's playing about 2100 from the video, but can easily be 2200 to 2250 if he's serious and stay closer to the table.  He has great forehand and backhand spinny loops, great placement, good serves and returns, which are trademarks of a solid all-around player.  This observation is purely personal, from my experience of running and playing at least 300 Class A round robins in Los Angeles.  Just my 2 cent$.


Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 12:46am
I believe he is clearly better than Larry, no offense intended to you or Larry.

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Posted By: ajchien
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 12:50am
Yes, I think he is also around 2300. Maybe better. Very classic european type play. Off table, consistent, good placement, efficiency of footwork.
 
No way a US1800 player has that type of placement, distance control, and efficientcy of motion. An 1800 player can put together points like this in a highlight reel, but these are a lot of points that are played. Case in point: 3:35 and 4:16 - backhand counterloops dont come from 1800 players. Also, there were plenty of backhand opening 3rd ball outright winners - that dosent come from 1800 players. Check out the placement at 00:42.
 
I am a believer though that improvement would come with holding the table and being the aggressor more often. Too many times you may drop back into mid-distance, prematurely giving up control of the table. However, that would require a bigger investment in footwork and conditioning. Like me, you probabaly enjoy your steak more than needing to play at any higher level. ;)
 
PS. Nice racket sound. Whats popular over there: glue sound rubbers, tuning, or gluing?
 
 
 


Posted By: pongcrazy
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 1:01am
Originally posted by Juan King Carlo Juan King Carlo wrote:

I use a Galaxy T-4, with LKT Rapid Sound. It seems to be the best combination so far for me, I have never felt so happy with a bat.
 
Did you boost or tune the Rapid Sound, or is it straight out of the box?  What is the speed like compared to a popular mainstream rubber for example.  Thanks.


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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 1:57am
Its a good point about it not being a higlight real. I would give a higher rating thinking that. Thanks for the point. I still dont put him at 2200 usatt though. I dont know how he beat a top 15 professional player.. I'd like to see a video of that.
 
the 2300 player i know has a much better game that's all. He's from india, and may be heavily under rated. A lot of the players in my state are under rated. I know compared to people from california and what not of the same rating that Ive seen, He is much much better. So i make comparisons based on the people i know.
 
I like your game a lot. Its original. It seems effortless because of your superior placement and control of the table. Youre a big guy, and I'm a big guy so I just like you that much more because I relate to that lol.
 
I dont like what you said to Lixiao though. Calling him a dreamy noob who sits on his computer all day and laughing at his game that youve never seen isnt very necessary. Those kinds of comments should be below you. Knowing he's a teenager, you shouldnt be making him feel like crap just to make yourself feel better. You asked for criticism and you got it. He makes a valid point and theres no need to dismiss his opinions like that. Anyone can learn something from anyone. Be it a 14 year old beginner that sees something, or JO waldner. I know LX can be excessive sometimes, but this isnt the case here. He did nothing to provoke a condescending response like that.
 
But that aside, I want to see more videos of you in the future! See how you play a little more serious. Good stuff.
 
Thanks.
 


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:00am
I tuned it slightly a few weeks back, but it made little difference to either speed spin or sound so I decided not to bother again. I think I would have to use more layers, but I don't want to upset the good control of the bat by speeding things up too much. I have some new rubbers to stick on in the next couple of days and I am not going to bother tuning those at all.
 
The rubber is quite slow compared to euro and jap rubbers, it goes well with the quick blade. There is plenty of control on the slower shots from the rubber, but the blade gives me enough speed when I hit hard.
 
I though you might have trouble agreeing on a rating for me as I tend to beat and lose to people with a wide range of abilities depending on how well they serve and receive serve, how well they keep it short, how well they control heavy spin, how well they get into position to play the shot and how well they hit the higher ball of course.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:01am
Originally posted by ajchien ajchien wrote:

Yes, I think he is also around 2300. Maybe better. Very classic european type play. Off table, consistent, good placement, efficiency of footwork.
 
No way a US1800 player has that type of placement, distance control, and efficientcy of motion. An 1800 player can put together points like this in a highlight reel, but these are a lot of points that are played. Case in point: 3:35 and 4:16 - backhand counterloops dont come from 1800 players. Also, there were plenty of backhand opening 3rd ball outright winners - that dosent come from 1800 players. Check out the placement at 00:42.
 
I am a believer though that improvement would come with holding the table and being the aggressor more often. Too many times you may drop back into mid-distance, prematurely giving up control of the table. However, that would require a bigger investment in footwork and conditioning. Like me, you probabaly enjoy your steak more than needing to play at any higher level. ;)
 
PS. Nice racket sound. Whats popular over there: glue sound rubbers, tuning, or gluing?
 
 
 
 
I dont know about the 1800s you play with.. but the ones I know are plenty capable of such things as backhand counter loops and 3rd ball BH winners.


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:02am
Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

Its a good point about it not being a higlight real. I would give a higher rating thinking that. Thanks for the point. I still dont put him at 2200 usatt though. I dont know how he beat a top 15 professional player.. I'd like to see a video of that.
 
the 2300 player i know has a much better game that's all. He's from india, and may be heavily under rated. A lot of the players in my state are under rated. I know compared to people from california and what not of the same rating that Ive seen, He is much much better. So i make comparisons based on the people i know.
 
I like your game a lot. Its original. It seems effortless because of your superior placement and control of the table. Youre a big guy, and I'm a big guy so I just like you that much more because I relate to that lol.
 
I dont like what you said to Lixiao though. Calling him a dreamy noob who sits on his computer all day and laughing at his game that youve never seen isnt very necessary. Those kinds of comments should be below you. Knowing he's a teenager, you shouldnt be making him feel like crap just to make yourself feel better. You asked for criticism and you got it. He makes a valid point and theres no need to dismiss his opinions like that. Anyone can learn something from anyone. Be it a 14 year old beginner that sees something, or JO waldner. I know LX can be excessive sometimes, but this isnt the case here. He did nothing to provoke a condescending response like that.
 
But that aside, I want to see more videos of you in the future! See how you play a little more serious. Good stuff.
 
Thanks.
 
I didn't particularly like the way LiXiao launched in and attacked my fitness on the first post, so I didn't particularly feel like holding back. A moderator on any site should have a little more tact if he is to have the respect of its members. I am a moderator on another site, and I would certainly choose my words more carefully.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: MildSeven
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:11am
I agree with LiXiao. Everything is great except the foot work. In fact, in a lot of the shots the arms and upper body have clearly adapted to the lethargic lower body. Strong play though. No one is being mean spirited and making unfair comments, I think its pretty clear form the video.


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:16am

Good point, JKC. I guess if you hold a mod title then all the other factors just jump out.

I don't really think he attacked your fitness. But then again, i think he could have said it in a nicer way. When i first read what he said.. I cringed a little bit. Regardless though, it could have ended sooner, and the comments were still unnecessary, since you commented more on what he said afterwords when what he said was purely analytical comments that made sense than you did on his first post. But either way, its done and over with, and its all good.

Enjoyed the vid though, Can't wait to see more, JKC
 
thanks.


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Posted By: ajchien
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:52am
Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

 
I dont know about the 1800s you play with.. but the ones I know are plenty capable of such things as backhand counter loops and 3rd ball BH winners.
 
Well, we're both from California then. I must say i don't see 1800 players with effective BH counterloops. Landing a BH counterloop once or twice in a night of play (which I think an 1800 can do) is nothing like landing them with consistently and with placement.


Posted By: ajchien
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:57am
JKC, is this you too?
 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fKF6Qio3mNU&feature=channel - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fKF6Qio3mNU&feature=channel
 
It looks like you're practicing against a frictionless no sponge LP here.
 
And this?
 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4NNins9_w&feature=channel - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4NNins9_w&feature=channel
 


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:01am
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

You need to really work on your fitness level, alot. YOu were barely moving at all.
 
I would call this an attack on my fitness level. Clearly a comment from someone who watched the first 10 seconds realized it wasn't a pro vid and turned it off.


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:02am
Originally posted by ajchien ajchien wrote:

JKC, is this you too?
 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fKF6Qio3mNU&feature=channel - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fKF6Qio3mNU&feature=channel
 
It looks like you're practicing against a frictionless no sponge LP here.
 
And this?
 
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4NNins9_w&feature=channel - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4NNins9_w&feature=channel
 
 
I will have to tell you later, I can't access that at work.


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:12am
The main reason the vid is not continuous is the fact that my mate is very out of touch and out of sorts with his rubbers at the moment. It would be unfair of me when he has agreed to be in the vid to put up a catalogue of me serving him off or getting him to pop them up and generally exposing a (hopefully short term) weakness in his short game. There is also quite a bit of fetching of the ball as it is a big room.
Yes if I posted the whole 26 mins of footage, I do make a few mistakes which didn't make the final cut but the editing was in no way designed to show me in a better light, just to show the points which developed into rallies. Had the tape run for another 3 mins or so, there would have been a rally which might have made you all rate me a little higher.


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Posted By: ajchien
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:19am
Originally posted by Juan King Carlo Juan King Carlo wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

You need to really work on your fitness level, alot. YOu were barely moving at all.
 
I would call this an attack on my fitness level. Clearly a comment from someone who watched the first 10 seconds realized it wasn't a pro vid and turned it off.
 
I actually have no problems with JKC's footwork. I think he has a fairly strong BH which gives him a positional advantage over his opponent in mid-distance play (it's hard to cover the whole table with your FH in mid-distance!). In fact, on some high balls where he had enough time, JKC moved well enough to hit FH's from the BH corner. I dont think of it as "poor footwork". I think it's more "efficient use of footwork".
 
Certainly JKC is no Ma Lin when it comes to footwork. However, trying to do something you're not is likely not as effective as playing within your strengths.
 
 


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:24am
Originally posted by ajchien ajchien wrote:

 
PS. Nice racket sound. Whats popular over there: glue sound rubbers, tuning, or gluing?
 
 
Glue sound rubbers are very popular, even though many don't practice enough to be able to control them properly. I refuse to pay the huge price for them. 


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Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:30am

Very good play. Very nice to watch. You have such a nice hand, control and touch. I fancy your BH loop. If I may do some suggestion (I'm not even sure I could beat you...), you are moving back too quickly. You clearly have the tools to initiate game and put your opponent off limits soon. keep this advantage and stay closer to the table. If you come to France, let me know, I'd like to play with you. bring Fred too. He's famous on the french forum now.



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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:49am
You must post me a link to the thread on the French Forum so I can have a look.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 3:54am
http://www.tennis-de-table.com/forums/sujet-30015-1.html - http://www.tennis-de-table.com/forums/sujet-30015-1.html

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Posted By: gekogark1212
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 4:13am
Great work JKC! Although admittedly at first I thought "meh, I could do that" until I saw how consistent your placement was. I'm around 1800 but have no doubts you could blow me off the table.

Hmm, from that video I would say you have a style that doesn't look too great on a video but practical and is very solid (IMHO).


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 6:59am
The better you get, the more you appreciate what is happening in vids. You start to spot the placement and the spin and when someone puts the ball in an awkward places for their opponent. No doubt, there are some complexities that I don't understand when watching the videos of pro players.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: addoydude
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 8:33am
3 things I noticed:

- practically no touch shots play
- most hits were taken as the ball is going down (after the top of the bounce)

did you edit out the touch shots, the short serves, or the early hits (as the ball is rising, or at top of the bounce)?





Posted By: Glenn
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 8:37am
Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

In any sport, when you stop moving your opponent can beat you. Thats true in any racket sport. Be it tennis, squash, table tennis, badminton, etc etc. You watcht the pros play they are always moving. Take Ma Lin for example.
 
You are a really funny person, lixiao. Amusing rather.
 
JKC doesn't need to move cause he is in control. Ma lin doesn't need to move when he plays you, liXiao. Same theory.. but well, you might nt get it anyway.


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 8:47am
Originally posted by addoydude addoydude wrote:

3 things I noticed:

- practically no touch shots play
- most hits were taken as the ball is going down (after the top of the bounce)

did you edit out the touch shots, the short serves, or the early hits (as the ball is rising, or at top of the bounce)?



 
My friend is really out of touch at the moment and struggling with his rubbers since glue was banned. As he was kind enough to appear in the vid I didn't think it was fair to put too many clips of me exposing this weakness. Afterall, I may want to make another vid with him in the future when he regains a bit more of his touch.
 
I do always tend to hit the ball after peak, and hardly ever smash the ball. It is much more fun making your opponent scramble around for 2 extra shots knowing they can never really get back into the point.


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 9:49am
Great video..
I recognize you straight away from your serving vids. Good serves, great BH loop, and consistent spinny FH. Thanks JKC, I will learn a lot from it..
Beeray, I've seen 1800 rated player video before, he's nowhere near JKC, maybe your player is underrated??
I have also see 2400 rated player video, and I think JKC is somewhere in between, it's hard to tell, but I think he is 2100-2200 at least.. Big%20smile



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Posted By: le xex
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 1:17pm
I think its extremely tough to judge his rating by that video alone. For instance, if a 1800 player plays a 1300 player, the 1800 player would seem much much higher rated, whereas if the 1800 player played a 1750 player his game play would much more closely reflect his actual rating.


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 1:22pm
It is a shame there is no direct comparison between the different ranking systems, because it would be interesting to know when you all talk about your ratings where I might fit in.
It would be difficult though because over time the points on the English ranking list go up as they give you more than they take away as some sort of incentive to enter more tournaments. And recently they took 10% off everyone for some strange reason, to make it more difficult to move up and down I think.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by Juan King Carlo Juan King Carlo wrote:

Originally posted by dimitris dimitris wrote:

One thing I noticed is that you do not smash the ball with the forehand when you have the chance, even when really high, for almost certain winners. Are you going easy with your opponent?
I don't smash that often, looping is more fun. I was trying to keep the rallies going longer too.
 
I was watching Fan Yiyong playing the final of the portland pacific rim open (Yong has been #1 in US for the last 10 years or so) a few years ago and he always looped high balls; ALWAYS. Even the highest balls for control he will prefer to topspin them and it's fun to see the ball from high up gaining speed _AFTER_ it touches the table.


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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:16pm
I don't think you need to work on your fitness level. You probably would beat almost everyone here by not moving and doing what you do. But, it wouldn't hurt to lay off the twinkies a little ;)
Anyway, your style is cool. Very deceptive and efficient. You probably could play 10 games straight and not get tired.


Posted By: infinite_loop
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by ajchien ajchien wrote:

Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

 
I dont know about the 1800s you play with.. but the ones I know are plenty capable of such things as backhand counter loops and 3rd ball BH winners.

 

Well, we're both from California then. I must say i don't see 1800 players with effective BH counterloops. Landing a BH counterloop once or twice in a night of play (which I think an 1800 can do) is nothing like landing them with consistently and with placement.


From what I have read on about.com TT forums, many players in SF Bay Area are underrated by as much as 200-300 points. It is said to be because of rapidly improving kids (some coaching centers training a lot of kids here). A kid gets a rating of 900, gets coaching for 3 months, and beats a 1200 rated guy. This guy gets underrated, beats a guy of similar level, and there is another underrated guy. The effect cacscades, and when equillibrium is reached, the area as a whole gets underrated. Not many players travel elsewhere to play tournaments. So, the ratings remain that way.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by infinite_loop infinite_loop wrote:

Originally posted by ajchien ajchien wrote:

Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

 
I dont know about the 1800s you play with.. but the ones I know are plenty capable of such things as backhand counter loops and 3rd ball BH winners.

 

Well, we're both from California then. I must say i don't see 1800 players with effective BH counterloops. Landing a BH counterloop once or twice in a night of play (which I think an 1800 can do) is nothing like landing them with consistently and with placement.


From what I have read on about.com TT forums, many players in SF Bay Area are underrated by as much as 200-300 points. It is said to be because of rapidly improving kids (some coaching centers training a lot of kids here). A kid gets a rating of 900, gets coaching for 3 months, and beats a 1200 rated guy. This guy gets underrated, beats a guy of similar level, and there is another underrated guy. The effect cacscades, and when equillibrium is reached, the area as a whole gets underrated. Not many players travel elsewhere to play tournaments. So, the ratings remain that way.
 
it is true for the whole US west coast


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Posted By: rustyfo
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by gekogark1212 gekogark1212 wrote:

Great work JKC! Although admittedly at first I thought "meh, I could do that" until I saw how consistent your placement was.


same here, your backhand really looks pretty spectacular, mainly because of the consistency in the great placements you pull off. In that video your forehand looked like a big weakness since you were always letting the ball drop way too low before looping (obviously your low loops were still great under the circumstances, but would never work to consistently do that against a better opponent).
Against stronger players I would suggest more short serves/short play (ofc. maybe you already do that)


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 2:48pm
Shorter serves and more touchplay available as needed.
 
I think a major factor which has given me my current style is the fact that my only real practice partner has been a chopper for the last 8 years or so. This means I always have plenty of time to spare and prepare for the next shot in practice and never really get rushed. The looping style has probably developed from there.


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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 4:10pm
It takes talent to know talent... Guess that's why people with a good rating says nice things while the lesser players prefer to say bad things about JKC's game.

Me, I'm the exeption, I'm a lesser player who still recognize JKC's skill. While looking kind of awkward, he does get the ball back very consistent and he does move, actually, he moves quite a bit, but what some people fails to realize is that he moves in-between his shots rather then moving to reach the ball. This comes from anticipation and having a good strategy with your game.

Good video JKC!

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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 4:50pm
actually, he moves quite a bit, but what some people fails to realize is that he moves in-between his shots rather then moving to reach the ball. This comes from anticipation and having a good strategy with your game.
 
 
 
Nice analysis.  Smile     Anticipation can make up for lack of mobility quite a bit.  That's why top players always pay attention to their opponents' stance, their shoulder angle, and then ultimately their opponents' racket angle at contact to anticipate the direction of incoming ball.


Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/10/2008 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

It takes talent to know talent... Guess that's why people with a good rating says nice things while the lesser players prefer to say bad things about JKC's game.

Me, I'm the exeption, I'm a lesser player who still recognize JKC's skill. While looking kind of awkward, he does get the ball back very consistent and he does move, actually, he moves quite a bit, but what some people fails to realize is that he moves in-between his shots rather then moving to reach the ball. This comes from anticipation and having a good strategy with your game.

Good video JKC!
 
I like this idea Speedplay, that means the nicer things you say about my game, the better player you yourself are. Why didn't I put it like that earlier. I could have been up to 2500 or 2600 by nowLOL (however good that is?)


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/11/2008 at 8:19am
Someone on Youtube seems to have got the impression from the vid that I use long pimples. Does it really look like that?

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 11/11/2008 at 9:16am
there! I am done watching the video.
About footwork: it has been said above but I'll confirm: anticipation makes him look like he does not move but watch again: he's on the ball and the ball does not come all the time at the same place right? so he moves. As he said himself the other guy's strokes are a bit slower so jkc has time to get to the ball and he appears to be slow. I'd say he should not go faster since it's questionable to go really fast and stop brutally at the ball, like an idiot on the road who would accelerate like crazy only to jump on the brakes right away at the next light.
Look at federer: his footwork is the best I know and he does little steps all the time and on a long rally he does not seem that fast but he's on the ball almost all the time.
About the BH: SWEET! My friends say my BH is better even though I am (should be?) looking forward to playing a FH if I can as Kreanga himself says in the BTY training video. jkc's is nice, made off the bounce with a stroke that hits the ball after having gained enough momentum thanks to a really efficient wrist snap that is done at the right time, during the last half/third of the forearm stroke.
Only one remark  about the FH: the arm moves but it seems like if more body was put in the stroke it would go from somehow lethal to devastating. I am thinking about (I am reading the book here...) weight to be shifted to the right leg then shifted back to the left to give momentum to a rotating upper body before -and during- arm's work.
The placement of those strokes and consistency in general are really nice and that must make you a popular practice partner!
Thanks for sharing the video.
 
 


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 11/11/2008 at 11:02am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

The placement of those strokes and consistency in general are really nice and that must make you a popular practice partner!
Thanks for sharing the video.


That's why Fred's strokes is very good for his age.. Don't think he'll be that good if his father weren't JKC.. Wink


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/11/2008 at 11:50am

It is a case of 'do as I say and not as I do' when it comes to Fred's coaching. It's a good job I know what his stroke should be like or he would be in trouble. Might try to get a bit of my backhand into him though.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve


Posted By: IAmI
Date Posted: 11/11/2008 at 4:40pm
Originally posted by Juan King Carlo Juan King Carlo wrote:

Originally posted by dimitris dimitris wrote:

One thing I noticed is that you do not smash the ball with the forehand when you have the chance, even when really high, for almost certain winners. Are you going easy with your opponent?
I don't smash that often, looping is more fun. I was trying to keep the rallies going longer too.
 
Don't mean to tease you but I tend not to believe you on this one. I've got about 3 players in my club who never developed good smashing technique and every time they get a high ball they would also block it on the table instead, like I see you do it in your video. Incidentally they are players with a lot stronger BH side, just like you.
You've got amazing feel for the ball. I was enjoying your video!


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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 11/11/2008 at 5:26pm
Don't get me wrong, I don't use it unless I am forced to, and although it is not a rocket, it is usually good enough. It would be the first area of my game I would work on if I wanted to improve rapidly but I can't really be bothered with any serious training at the moment.

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