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Topic: current no.1 at our club vs BOZ HD
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Subject: current no.1 at our club vs BOZ HD
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 8:16am


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 8:21am

Yes it's me again, but guys this is one of the best matches I've played where it was real competition counting towards something.  I won't comment much I just really think you should watch it.  I'll comment more later.

I'll just say, I didn't let him use his FH.
 
Solcion stays on bh for me that's for sure.


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Posted By: sebas-aguirre
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 8:49am
ok arrange me a match against this guy... :D
for what I can see the guy in light blue has decent backhand (I think 90% of his shots are backhand). force him to use forehand and make mistakes with that shot.
give him long serves to forehand with tons of spin.
the guy in blue and white seems to me like a blocker. but for me you are making a mistake. if you block you need to stay close to the table and with knees bent. this will make your block harder to receive.
if you go back and start passing/looping with no spin the ball, you're done.
so, if you are going to block stay close. if you go a bit back to make a looping movement, then make a really agressive one. otherwise you give attack and iniciative to the other.
one more thing, if you serve long your opponent always answers with that bh loop wich you block and then you're on defensive mode. serve really short so you cut his initial bh loop.
when you serve you should really try to be the one attacking.
last, put short pips on backhand.
:)


Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 9:34am
I am the guy in light blue - I was using my backhand because it was about 3 times more reliable at opening up, the few deleted points were trying open up on fh which kept going wrong, so I stuck to bh all the way through.  He was also having trouble with the pace I was keeping, constantly on the attack even though it was blockable.
The guy in the dark blue usually is not a blocker.  He is usually as I said the fastest fh in our state, I kept the pressure up on him and you can see he had a lot of trouble with reading how much spin was on my shots. 
 
I havent used a control rubber in competition before so it was amazing me how easy it was to keep looping everything - sometimes side swipe sometime punch they all just kept going on the table without worrying. 
 
And yes I know everyone is going to say use your forehand.  I know this already, but when you start playing and you all your shots just start missing amd you really want to win, are you going to say forget your strong point? Or a you going to utilize it?  Look at Ovcharov for example...
 
 


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Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 10:26am
The guy with the glasses reminds me of Klampar.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 10:44am
tried searching for an image and didnt know that jonyer was a  clampar and another guy klampar - so still dont know why he reminds you of him... appearance or stroke or manner?

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Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 1:46pm
You guys are having some fierce volleys. Good play. Clap

Just a minor thought... That guy is popping up a lot of your serves. You should have a fh smash for those in your arsenal. You know, where you step to the side of the table a little bit and do a table-sweeping fh smash right at the top of the bounce. Fast and deliberate.



Posted By: sebas-aguirre
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

I am the guy in light blue - I was using my backhand because it was about 3 times more reliable at opening up, the few deleted points were trying open up on fh which kept going wrong, so I stuck to bh all the way through.  He was also having trouble with the pace I was keeping, constantly on the attack even though it was blockable.
The guy in the dark blue usually is not a blocker.  He is usually as I said the fastest fh in our state, I kept the pressure up on him and you can see he had a lot of trouble with reading how much spin was on my shots. 
 
I havent used a control rubber in competition before so it was amazing me how easy it was to keep looping everything - sometimes side swipe sometime punch they all just kept going on the table without worrying. 
 
And yes I know everyone is going to say use your forehand.  I know this already, but when you start playing and you all your shots just start missing amd you really want to win, are you going to say forget your strong point? Or a you going to utilize it?  Look at Ovcharov for example...
 
 


oohhh... I thought you were the other.
the match seemed fine from your perspective.
not many problems.
I wouldn't recommend pivot and opening with forehand except if you have quick feet and a killer forehand. opening backhand seems fine.


Posted By: AosI
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:35pm
Great video.. I was considering Solcion for my bh for the same reason.  It seems like it could be good to punch with and some spin if you need it too.  Again great match! Thanks for sharing.

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Posted By: Thylacine
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

appearance or stroke or manner?
 Stroke manner.


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Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 7:40pm
Nobody... & I mean nobody pops their collar like you bozbrisvegas! Wink
I feel better. I've been meaning to tell you that for weeks & weeks.

Enjoyed the vid.

For me, soft sponges are the way to go.
Seems to be working for your BH too.
Are you relaxed in your body or somewhat tight when you play?
I want you to have even more effectiveness/success.
Hit with/like a whip!!!

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Posted By: rupertgriffin
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 8:08pm
Nice game.
It looks like you're backhand orientated because of your grip. Does your thumb stick up? Do you change grip to do forehand? This might be why you lollipop block with your forehand and have trouble crossing over. I also found with this grip that its hard to do forehands down the line. In this video there wasn't many of them.
I also realised when you get into backhand rallies your right foot creeps in front but you seem to cope when it comes to your forehand though.

There's my best attempt at constructive feedback.

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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 8:43pm
you sholud lower the height of your bh attacks boz its possible it might be smashed even if its spinny

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Posted By: zwu168
Date Posted: 06/10/2009 at 8:56pm
You rely too much on arm power. Turn your body. And BH is too high, like yogi said.

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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 12:21am
that no.1 club guy looks like has a disgusting forehand, good job putting him on ice :D


Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 12:30am
are you sure that's the best guy you have in your club ? :)

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Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 12:31am
i hear a tocking noise on his bh, pips?

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Posted By: joubtt
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 1:23am
Tape your practice sessions so you can clean up (ex. better positioning after each shot); I like your intent.  He's lucky that you allowed him some chances (you backed off).  Be more assertive in blocking & countering ( he actually popped up so many of your serves that I'm surprised you did not smash).  

Your opponent's technique is blah; his strength is determination period.

I think you're around 2100 U.S rating.


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 4:38am
Originally posted by LOOPMEISTER LOOPMEISTER wrote:

You guys are having some fierce volleys. Good play. Clap

Just a minor thought... That guy is popping up a lot of your serves. You should have a fh smash for those in your arsenal. You know, where you step to the side of the table a little bit and do a table-sweeping fh smash right at the top of the bounce. Fast and deliberate.

 
Thanks Loop,
 
I know what your saying about the put away finisher.  I wish I had one but in the almost 6 years of my playing my backhand has always been able to do all the shots in the game.  My Forehand however has always pretty much been a one liner.  It can be good at smashing when I practise that, but then I can't loop as well with it and vice versa.  Right now My forehand can topspin loop the hell out of anything pretty much but my consistancy of a pure 100% smash is down to about 60%.  So I loop sidespin the ball when its higher.  Im not sure if this is a tenergy thing?  Because when I watch Boll receiving high balls he usually sidespins over and over again.....
 
Anyway way I love to counter loop over and over again as boll does more than finishing every shot 3rd ball, or losing every shot 3rd ball...
 
 
 


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 4:46am
Originally posted by Heimdallalso Heimdallalso wrote:

Nobody... & I mean nobody pops their collar like you bozbrisvegas! Wink
I feel better. I've been meaning to tell you that for weeks & weeks.

Enjoyed the vid.

For me, soft sponges are the way to go.
Seems to be working for your BH too.
Are you relaxed in your body or somewhat tight when you play?
I want you to have even more effectiveness/success.
Hit with/like a whip!!!

r e l a x

Good Hitting
Atleast there something "cool" about the way I look...  I'm shocked at how much weight I have been putting on since my girlfriend started living with me over 2 years now.  She feeds me like a pig, only with really yummy food all the time!...
 
Oh one of my students did a presentation on the topic of wearing your collar up as being cool...  it was persuasive presentation and it must have worked... lol
 
Well I had 3 beers before I played that so I was actually relaxed as I'm going to get, and as for the whipping thing - I felt just that day something really click into place within my stroke for backhand in particular.  Something very familiar about my stroke a bit like de ja vu.  I felt like I had body memory of something come back to what it used to be a final perfect unision with the weight of the setup at 170g, perfectly balanced.   The forehand also is there just not in the wide receive. 
 
 


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 4:55am
Originally posted by rupertgriffin rupertgriffin wrote:

Nice game.
It looks like you're backhand orientated because of your grip. Does your thumb stick up? Do you change grip to do forehand? This might be why you lollipop block with your forehand and have trouble crossing over. I also found with this grip that its hard to do forehands down the line. In this video there wasn't many of them.
I also realised when you get into backhand rallies your right foot creeps in front but you seem to cope when it comes to your forehand though.

There's my best attempt at constructive feedback.
totally agree
 
perfectly analysed !
 
I know this and I went all out heavy with the bh grip (I actually havent done this for a long time) but hell when a player continually goes to my backhand for serves and keeps blocking there thats what happns, if I misread and its on fh usually first fh is weak as.. 
 
when I have time or read it to go to fh then I change to forehand looping grip.   I am currently thinking I want to spend time training receiving with the "wrong grip" ie practise my strong bh grip against wide fh serves and vice versa.
 
usually what I do is play a guessing game.  Receive one with fh grip next with bh grip another inbetween grip.  I try to roll every shot except the ones which are on the opposite side of my grip, which are the ones which a push comes out.  This all in a strange bad way comes out to confuse my opponents who are mostly well trained and used to reading well trained players.  I am a bit of an anomoly.. (is that how you spell it?


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 4:57am
Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

i hear a tocking noise on his bh, pips?
no just primorac carbon like half the players in the top division.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 5:01am
Originally posted by joubtt joubtt wrote:

Tape your practice sessions so you can clean up (ex. better positioning after each shot); I like your intent.  He's lucky that you allowed him some chances (you backed off).  Be more assertive in blocking & countering ( he actually popped up so many of your serves that I'm surprised you did not smash).  

Your opponent's technique is blah; his strength is determination period.

I think you're around 2100 U.S rating.
I have no idea about how your rating system works but here I
is my whole tournament life of tt starting only a few years ago (ranked too high at the time since it was starting point)
 


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 5:09am
Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

are you sure that's the best guy you have in your club ? :)
Seref who I have got on tape is quite a bit higher than Jesse in my opinion, especially in experience of high level tournament play.  Seref has taken this season off, so Jesse was in 2nd place making him now the no.1..  I think..
 
His form hasnt been good as he told me, and he thought it would be good to watch this videoed so he could try to figure what has broken down in his game...
 
I know what has broken, its his fire and counterlooping.  He seemed like he didnt trust himself enough to beat me with a counter loop, instead opting for trying control me with blocks before he would go for it himself...  I dont know - but the thing is he can totally blitz players which I cant get anywhere near and yet I have had enough practise sessions with him so have a feeling for his low spin level style of play and on top of that I went into this match with a very very strong and strict strategy: "attack first regardless".


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 5:25am
Finally I don't think anyone mentioned this but I had 3 match points against him.  1 of them I trully just was caught off by his viscous 3rd ball the second one really *&^% off since the night was almost over the table next to ours had stopped playing and ball went bouncing into the court next to me suprising me by how close it sounded coming to the barrier near me, it threw my concentration and I returned poorly.  The third ( I think this is the order anyway) I was sure I won the match and did my good shot or victory fist only to see the ball roll over the net and land on the inside corner and fall off the table - this one trully broke me!
 
Regardless I fought tooth and nail guys.  And the last thing nobody mentioned was something that make me *&^ myself lauging is what my team mate said right at the end.  "you were in that up to your n*ts"
 
I absolutely love that phrase, how dam Australian can you get?


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Posted By: rupertgriffin
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 7:28am
Maybe find a neutral grip? I figured out that I had to find one and found that my level suffered for the period of time that I was adjusting. My crossover is way better now though.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 7:58am
I've tried to get used to a neutral grip and I try to do a bit of routine only using that but honestly my  shots are always just neutral.  I will continue practising it and my 2 other grips.  I know most people will say thats wrong but I have gotten this far playing this way without a coach and believe I can go further.  Winning by training is not the focus of my life.  Improving gradually enjoying playing games is.
 
I've been to a few group training session these couple of weeks and have philosophical problems with routines which tell me to hit easy balls to their strong points so they can practise.  I would prefer to constantly aim away and at there middle with as much variety and power / spin as possible constantly so there is absolutely no other thought in my mind when the situation arises.  I don't want to be a switch it on and off player.  I just want to do the right shot at every moment of play and that includes "unimportant" games besides I am here to enjoy life now and not live for a future which may or may not come.
 
Shoot me down if you will but I am against half the training styles I have seen.
 
these are good:
Multi ball
short return and then open
long return and open
chasing the elbow
anything where the coach feeds you
 
But I hate to aim to where the person is waiting and expecting.  I prefer to try to read body weight shifting and keep hitting their elbow until I can full power and the elbow is not a fixed point.


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 06/11/2009 at 7:26pm
Nice one Boz, you see that winner you hit at 4:52 off his serve. I'd like to see you play more like that 2nd and 3rd ball attack from the forehand. You have a great backhand but against this guy they aren't penetrating enough to mess him up. A big forehand early on it the point would be much more unsettling. He serves pretty fast and long you could in theory loop every one of his serves if you wanted to

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/12/2009 at 9:40am
Nicefrog, I tried to do those shots a few times, and I usually like to try to rip them off from the first point of their first serve.  Exactly for the reason you said, one of the coaches up here in Brisbane said to me that you should try to scare them in particular from the begining as you say unsettle them and worry them.  And yet I tried against him but I lost a few points going down that way.  I usually try to receive forehand sometimes and backhand sometimes, to put them off a bit.  But when they are not going on stick with what works.
 
 
I am sticking with solcion regardless if its not penetrating.  Its got everything I loved about Bryce with everything I didnt like about it perfected.
 
Bryce always had this kind of sometimes spin sometimes zero spin effect on my looping.  It had nice fling catapult feeling in the thick topsheet.  And yet the sponge made it have pretty much only one gear, fast, but the solcion has all that but is much slower which suits me more than I have ever realised before, I make lots of points now by people taking a few steps back only to realise i can do a super slow shot and then a much faster shot.  The slower paced rallies give me time to do my shots.  They still often block the same as if I was using a fast rubber but the blocks that come to me are so much easier to reloop and attack harder with my forehand.
 
anyway slightly going of topic here - I have a thread about my setup already.. lol
 
ps funny how solcion is almost the same price as tenergy.  It makes me want to cry paying so much for a slower less spinny rubber....


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 06/12/2009 at 11:03am
It's interesting, it seems all you guys up there play this top spin flick to return service and your into it, faced paced rallies. All around my area here in Vic most people and myself included return service with a short chop or one with as much backspin on it as possible, then depending on how successful you were you either loop the next ball for a winner or return the other guys loop and step back and return them defence style until he hopefully misses one or you hit something big from a long range and get a winner or make it back to the table and start looping again. We almost all play with Chinese rubbers, I wonder if that has changed the way the local game has evolved. It's definalty more varied in speed (slow game then power loop and kills) rather than constant fast hitting like you guys play


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/12/2009 at 11:21am
interesting,
 
I think who ever open usually wins, and its not just my club, look at the top 10 in the world!  The chinese are best because they open first.
 
If I push his low spin serves its hard to keep them short if I try to push them they ll just pop up, I only have one choice and thats to spin it up and put the pressure on first always.  If I dont then he will pulverise me with his open, and watching the video doesnt seem that fast too me as having that ball flying toward you, I can barely see the ball and just guess where I think it might be when his attack hits the table most people miss it about 80% of the time.
 
you can push and chop and fish with etc with slower players but here its kill or be killed.


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Posted By: benfb
Date Posted: 06/12/2009 at 12:16pm
Hey, Boz.  I can't see it on this video, but I noticed on one of your videos that when serving you often scoops the ball off the table and toss it without pausing.  I just thought you should be aware that someone could call you on that point.


Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 06/12/2009 at 7:43pm
Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Hey, Boz.  I can't see it on this video, but I noticed on one of your videos that when serving you often scoops the ball off the table and toss it without pausing.  I just thought you should be aware that someone could call you on that point.
your right, I realised this too once making videos that my service is the right height always but Im not holoding it in my palm.  Nobody has ever bothered to question me on it for the most obvious reason that part of the rule is irrelevant when I toss the ball so high.
 
Anyway shouldnt be on the net should be driving down to the Gold Coast right now for a tournament...


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Posted By: dabookerman
Date Posted: 07/04/2009 at 1:03am
I'm at a much lower level than you, but I humbly disagree with the strategy of opening up at all costs.  I am a both a hitter and a spinner, so I can appreciate the merits of both of your styles. 

I am trying to teach myself to resist the temptation to always hit the spinny opening shot.  If you must hit a shot that bounces proportionally more vertical than it does horizontal (in relation to your normal loop attack), you had better place it very well against a hitter.  I don't disagree that opening up did seem to keep your opponent on the defensive.  However, I would mix it up and flatten it out some to avoid the predictability.

I play at lunch most every day with a guy who is a consistently powerful flat hitter (especially on the FH) who reminds me of your opponent.  I have found that when I try to attack and open up at all costs with topspin, he punishes the slow spinny loops (he even grunts for power) and he will also flatten out his shots to entice me to hit the slow spinny loops.  I notice that where it seemed like you had to start looping at all costs you ate a few as I often do. 


Posted By: dabookerman
Date Posted: 07/04/2009 at 1:16am
He misses a pretty fat third-ball at around 5:47 that I think illustrates my point.  Normally a guy like this would leave you with a welt for one of those. 

Hitting something flatter or shorter that hugs the net and/or table seems to work for me against this style.  You are clearly a better spinner, so if you force him to open up with a weaker loop I think you can easily overwhelm him with your counterloop. 

Great match and I look forward to your videos.  You and your opponents are where I hope to be soon.  BTW, longtime golfers like myself know that you never play on the perfect day when you feel great because then you have no excuses.  You can always say that taking out the barriers caused you to lose the match points.  Ouch 



Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 07/04/2009 at 8:05pm
I had another few hours of "match practise" - Im the only person he knows at my level that doesnt like to train or warm up for long and do routines.  He just says you ready?
 
Results were the same as in this video.  About 15 games with nothing in it. 


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Posted By: shaks
Date Posted: 07/04/2009 at 9:49pm
sorry to burst your bubble if any..usatt 1700 to 1800 is the rating of bob in the video ..in california and new york that is. A usatt 2100 inverted player in my opinion will have better serves , better footwork and more aggressive loops. 

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 07/04/2009 at 10:05pm

No bubble bursted, Im a 1700s player -

 
boZZZZZZZZZZZ


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Posted By: shaks
Date Posted: 07/04/2009 at 11:19pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

No bubble bursted, Im a 1700s player -

 
boZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
ok dude...i hope you improve and get better everyday. good luck.


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 07/05/2009 at 1:36am
Originally posted by shaks shaks wrote:

sorry to burst your bubble if any..usatt 1700 to 1800 is the rating of bob in the video ..in california and new york that is. A usatt 2100 inverted player in my opinion will have better serves , better footwork and more aggressive loops. 


I don't beleive that's true at all. I've seen alot of 2000 rated US players and they are not at a very high level, I'm telling you for sure the club champion of a capital city like Brisbane will mop a us 2000 player 11-2



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Date Posted: 07/05/2009 at 10:06pm
@ member_profile.asp?PF=19011&FID=14 - bozbrisvegas what blade do you use for the solcion? 
 
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 07/05/2009 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by shaks shaks wrote:

sorry to burst your bubble if any..usatt 1700 to 1800 is the rating of bob in the video ..in california and new york that is. A usatt 2100 inverted player in my opinion will have better serves , better footwork and more aggressive loops. 


there's a rating differential in the USATT system that is skewed at high player concentrations.

translation:

USATT 1700 in NY or CA is approx USATT1900 in the midwest or southeast


Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 07/06/2009 at 6:09am
ishlion all the way

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Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 07/31/2009 at 9:46pm
Your recovery and backhand looks like it's improved a fair bit Boz.

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Posted By: popperlocker
Date Posted: 08/01/2009 at 12:05am
boz did you boost your tenergy and solcion, or do anything to them?


Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/01/2009 at 5:58am
havent altered t05 for ages now, i just use water glue for it.  solcion however plays so nice with a layer of glue - i glued it probably about 6 hours before i played in that video.  Anyway I also get the same results with him when i zero glue, short pimple effect.  but low level players start to get really close to beating me.
 
For me solcion is best against high level players with tricky serves.  A few people tried my blade with it and ordered some - they said they could just put the ball where ever they wanted.  Me however my arm is still recovering from my shoulder injury.  I am still playing but use my fh even less than before because of it. 
 
I will post a video really soon of me playing injured soon against the Brisbane Table Tennis centre manager known here as "fruit loop"
 
I mostly let him attack as I made the video for him to see his game and my arm hurts every stroke I take.
 
Thanks Silvalis - I really control Jesse with a slow well placed game.


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 08/01/2009 at 10:55pm
http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27934&KW=boz&PID=333478#333478 -
silvalis you can see that when Im injured or tired I can revert to playing badly again
 
http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27934&KW=boz&PID=333478#333478


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/09/2009 at 7:30pm
thanks to everyone here, for all the advice you have given me.  I kind of took it for granted sorry.  I realise now after more video posts that not everyone is capable of such constructive criticism.  Really appreciate it and hope you all one day have enough courage to post some of your game despite the negative direct put downs insensitive members of this forum have recently started posting.

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Posted By: Heimdallalso
Date Posted: 10/09/2009 at 7:33pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

thanks to everyone here, for all the advice you have given me.  I kind of took it for granted sorry.  I realise now after more video posts that not everyone is capable of such constructive criticism.  Really appreciate it and hope you all one day have enough courage to post some of your game despite the negative direct put downs insensitive members of this forum have recently started posting.


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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 10/09/2009 at 7:38pm
WOW!

BEST...MATCH...EVER!

Boz, you are truly awesome, I can't give you any advice since your game is already perfect, it is like watching the pro's play! If I didn't know any better, I would have to say that you have copied them! Great game!

Or, the honest version, from what I've seen of USATT 1700, you are above that level, but what do I know, I'm simple a low level player trying to learn from those who are better then me.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/09/2009 at 7:41pm
speedplay thanks for your deep advice - Ive learnt so much from people like you.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/09/2009 at 8:27pm
Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

WOW!

BEST...MATCH...EVER!

Boz, you are truly awesome, I can't give you any advice since your game is already perfect, it is like watching the pro's play! If I didn't know any better, I would have to say that you have copied them! Great game!

Or, the honest version, from what I've seen of USATT 1700, you are above that level, but what do I know, I'm simple a low level player trying to learn from those who are better then me.
as I said there are insensitive people sarcastic cheap wit because they have nothing to contribute -
 
this person believes I sit and try to make my game the same as the professional players" 
 
Speedplay if you would be so kind to give some feedback about how to improve, I would be very greatful.  I am asking for honest contructive criticism,  Im not interested in any kind of sarcastic put downs such as your wow your so great trash. 
 
 


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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 10/09/2009 at 8:32pm
biggest problem was that alot of the time you were kind of passive. you let the ball come to you as opposed to putting the pressure on your opponent. Attack early, and keep your opponent in that uncomfortable position where YOU control the rally, not him.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/09/2009 at 9:22pm
totally agree with you LiXiao, on the point about putting the pressure on first.  With many players though I find it hard to be consistant enough to put the pressure on - and hence often become a bit passive.  My ability is limited and thats what holds me back. 
 
Many players will try to also put pressure on me and if I see I can block or close down those attempts I play a more passive game. 
 
Personally I dont see myself as an all out attacker.  If my ability was there I would be.  I see myself more as an allround player who prefers to attack if given the right balls.


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Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 10:11am
if you want to continue to be that passive type of player, work on ball placement the most. Kind of a Kenta Matsudaira approach, but it works. I could hit backhands all day and not attack at all but still win since im able to push people around the table and have them miss or i can finally get a shot in.

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Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 10:47am
Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

WOW!

BEST...MATCH...EVER!

Boz, you are truly awesome, I can't give you any advice since your game is already perfect, it is like watching the pro's play! If I didn't know any better, I would have to say that you have copied them! Great game!

Or, the honest version, from what I've seen of USATT 1700, you are above that level, but what do I know, I'm simple a low level player trying to learn from those who are better then me.


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Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 10:50am
Its almost impossible to tell what someone is rated by watching a vid and it really doesn't matter.

You are doing something right if you can brush loop like that and have that much touch and control with your bh considering you're using Tenergy and Ishilon...


Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:51am
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

WOW! BEST...MATCH...EVER! Boz, you are truly awesome, I can't give you any advice since your game is already perfect, it is like watching the pro's play! If I didn't know any better, I would have to say that you have copied them! Great game! Or, the honest version, from what I've seen of USATT 1700, you are above that level, but what do I know, I'm simple a low level player trying to learn from those who are better then me.



as I said there are insensitive people sarcastic cheap wit because they have nothing to contribute -
 

this person believes I sit and try to make my game the same as the professional players" 

 

Speedplay if you would be so kind to give some feedback about how to improve, I would be very greatful.  I am asking for honest contructive criticism,  Im not interested in any kind of sarcastic put downs such as your wow your so great trash. 

 

 


I believe I have commented on some of your other videos recently, constructive criticism, but it wasn't appreciated since it didn't match your expectations.

In this video, your bh is such a strength it is almost a weakness. You even step around some to use it for your put away shot, were I believe that you have more power in your fh and should be able to use it for those.

Your blocks needs some work as well, you miss a lot of blocks against this guy, which is strange cause if you chose to counter instead of blocking, it seems you are doing fine. This is why I think you need to work on your blocks, as this would perhaps allow you to stay a little closer to the table, which would reduce the amount of time your opponent have.

As for the 1700 USATT mentioning, I think we both agree that you are above that, cause, as I've told you before, your game looks a lot better then any 1700 (al though I think it was 1600 last time we talked about it) rated player I have seen.

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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

Originally posted by rupertgriffin rupertgriffin wrote:

Nice game.
It looks like you're backhand orientated because of your grip. Does your thumb stick up? Do you change grip to do forehand? This might be why you lollipop block with your forehand and have trouble crossing over. I also found with this grip that its hard to do forehands down the line. In this video there wasn't many of them.
I also realised when you get into backhand rallies your right foot creeps in front but you seem to cope when it comes to your forehand though.

There's my best attempt at constructive feedback.
totally agree
 
perfectly analysed !
 
I know this and I went all out heavy with the bh grip (I actually havent done this for a long time) but hell when a player continually goes to my backhand for serves and keeps blocking there thats what happns, if I misread and its on fh usually first fh is weak as.. 
 
when I have time or read it to go to fh then I change to forehand looping grip.   I am currently thinking I want to spend time training receiving with the "wrong grip" ie practise my strong bh grip against wide fh serves and vice versa.
 
usually what I do is play a guessing game.  Receive one with fh grip next with bh grip another inbetween grip.  I try to roll every shot except the ones which are on the opposite side of my grip, which are the ones which a push comes out.  This all in a strange bad way comes out to confuse my opponents who are mostly well trained and used to reading well trained players.  I am a bit of an anomoly.. (is that how you spell it?
 
Nice vid. I enjoyed watching it. Your game really seemed to put the other guy in an awkward postion frequently. He looked frustrated on more than one occasion. Wink
 
First, I'm going to state outright that you are a much higher level player than I. I've only been playing a little less than 2 years and only a month ago switched to c-pen grip (rpb). Acknowledging my current lesser ability, I would still say that my "technical" knowledge, though certainly nowhere complete, is at a much higher level than my actual ability (which often drives me insane, always knowing what I should or shouldn't be doing, but unable to do any differently).
 
ANYWAY... I'm just putting that preface out there before I give some advice. Take it or leave it. I'm sure the grip plays a part in your choice of using your backhand so much, as does the mental aspect of having confidence in it over your forehand. However, a small thing I would add concerns your footwork. Overall, it looks nice; you move well, etc. However, you are almost always adopting a backhand stance--which of course makes sense since you prefer your backhand.
 
I'm just pointing this out because if you want to develop your forehand, then you need to be in a position that will facilitate it. Obviously, using your forehand when in backhand stance is going to give you problems. So maybe change your footwork a bit by staying in forehand stance as much as possible, round the corner more frequently, etc. Your lateral movement is really good, it just seems that it's going the wrong way--toward your backhand instead of your forehand.


Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

 However, a small thing I would add concerns your footwork. Overall, it looks nice; you move well, etc. However, you are almost always adopting a backhand stance--which of course makes sense since you prefer your backhand.
 
I'm just pointing this out because if you want to develop your forehand, then you need to be in a position that will facilitate it. Obviously, using your forehand when in backhand stance is going to give you problems. So maybe change your footwork a bit by staying in forehand stance as much as possible, round the corner more frequently, etc. Your lateral movement is really good, it just seems that it's going the wrong way--toward your backhand instead of your forehand.
 
 I don't go in for this 'constructive feedback' rubbish, its either good advice that is correct for you or not, So i'm not going to make a preface apology just incase you don't like it, you either do or don't, I don't care.
 
The above advice is half right. You can get away with playing with yr left leg slightly forward when up to the table (to facillitate an easy f/hand), but not when playing off the table because you cannot generate a backswing because you have no room, your left thigh will be in the way. Square or right foot forward will allow room, and you also have the benefit of extra time as you are off the table.Smile


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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 3:18pm
Do you have any special rating software in Australia?
 
If you are 1700, then this would correspond to ~2400 as per ratingscentral.com videos.


Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 4:02pm
Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

 
 I don't go in for this 'constructive feedback' rubbish, its either good advice that is correct for you or not, So i'm not going to make a preface apology just incase you don't like it, you either do or don't, I don't care.
 
And this is why nearly every thread you enter deteriorates into a sh!t-throwing contest.
 
First, I wasn't making a "preface apology". My preface was simply explaining my presumption of critiquing someone who is a better player than I. It's called having manners. You should read about it sometime. I understand the notion of the "putting advice out there, take it or leave it" attitude. While you feign that is your attitude, it comes across more like "I'm rude and condescending and when called out for it I claim to be offering neutral advice, take it or leave it". Sorry bud, but that's b.s. You can blame other people for being "too sensitive", etc, all you want. The bottom line is, if you keep getting the same results in different situations then eventually you must see that the common denominator is yourself.
 
If you truly don't care whether people like your advice, then why give it? Obviously you do care, or you wouldn't bother repeatedly taking the time to offer it. And, if you cannot deliver it in a cordial way, then perhaps you should keep it to yourself.
 
I know, I know--everyone says "this is the internet, people are rude". But that's not a justification to me. We came out of the jungle a long time ago. Ironically, civility is what has facilitated the development of technology that lets us treat each other like crap from a distance on the internet. Well, forgive me for having standards, but that's cowardice. If you want to pound on your chest and let everyone know how great of a tough, detached, alpha douche bag you are, then go back to the jungle where there are some apes who might care. This ape is not impressed. Big%20smile


Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by LOOPMEISTER LOOPMEISTER wrote:

Its almost impossible to tell what someone is rated by watching a vid and it really doesn't matter.

You are doing something right if you can brush loop like that and have that much touch and control with your bh considering you're using Tenergy and Ishilon...
I was using solcion on my bh - thats why they were often blocked into the net and i had to work like a dog to get the ball over the net

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

WOW! BEST...MATCH...EVER! Boz, you are truly awesome, I can't give you any advice since your game is already perfect, it is like watching the pro's play! If I didn't know any better, I would have to say that you have copied them! Great game! Or, the honest version, from what I've seen of USATT 1700, you are above that level, but what do I know, I'm simple a low level player trying to learn from those who are better then me.



as I said there are insensitive people sarcastic cheap wit because they have nothing to contribute -
 

this person believes I sit and try to make my game the same as the professional players" 

 

Speedplay if you would be so kind to give some feedback about how to improve, I would be very greatful.  I am asking for honest contructive criticism,  Im not interested in any kind of sarcastic put downs such as your wow your so great trash. 

 

 


I believe I have commented on some of your other videos recently, constructive criticism, but it wasn't appreciated since it didn't match your expectations.

In this video, your bh is such a strength it is almost a weakness. You even step around some to use it for your put away shot, were I believe that you have more power in your fh and should be able to use it for those.

Your blocks needs some work as well, you miss a lot of blocks against this guy, which is strange cause if you chose to counter instead of blocking, it seems you are doing fine. This is why I think you need to work on your blocks, as this would perhaps allow you to stay a little closer to the table, which would reduce the amount of time your opponent have.

As for the 1700 USATT mentioning, I think we both agree that you are above that, cause, as I've told you before, your game looks a lot better then any 1700 (al though I think it was 1600 last time we talked about it) rated player I have seen.
much appreciated.
 
I realise I overuse my backhand and yes I even went wide to use it.  I don't know about you guys but some days things go on the table and others they dont.  That day against this player - my backhand was landing on the table consistantly my forehand was not (often doesnt as much either) as a result couple with the fact that I really wanted to win at the cost of an ugly style - I used backhand.
 
No excuses my fh has always been weaker


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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 4:58pm
Yes, your bh looks to be far more consistent then your fh, so I understand 8and support) the idea to use your bh to open up the rallies with it, but once the rally is on, you have more put away power on your fh. Still, if it don't land on the table, it doesn't matter how hard you hit it.

@APW, what is this about the stance? I've been told to keep my left leg slightly in front of the right leg when I hit fh (being a right hander) and now you say that I should have a square stance? Or, have I got confused, are you talking about the bh, cause then it makes sense.

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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:04pm
Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

Yes, your bh looks to be far more consistent then your fh, so I understand 8and support) the idea to use your bh to open up the rallies with it, but once the rally is on, you have more put away power on your fh. Still, if it don't land on the table, it doesn't matter how hard you hit it.

@APW, what is this about the stance? I've been told to keep my left leg slightly in front of the right leg when I hit fh (being a right hander) and now you say that I should have a square stance? Or, have I got confused, are you talking about the bh, cause then it makes sense.
 
No, yr f/hand stance is correct, and up to the table, it is fine for a b/hand too, but off the table, or when you go for more power on the b/hand, you need to bring yr left leg back (or yr right foot forward) to give room for a backswing, or your left thigh will be in the way.


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

 However, a small thing I would add concerns your footwork. Overall, it looks nice; you move well, etc. However, you are almost always adopting a backhand stance--which of course makes sense since you prefer your backhand.
 
I'm just pointing this out because if you want to develop your forehand, then you need to be in a position that will facilitate it. Obviously, using your forehand when in backhand stance is going to give you problems. So maybe change your footwork a bit by staying in forehand stance as much as possible, round the corner more frequently, etc. Your lateral movement is really good, it just seems that it's going the wrong way--toward your backhand instead of your forehand.
 
 I don't go in for this 'constructive feedback' rubbish, its either good advice that is correct for you or not, So i'm not going to make a preface apology just incase you don't like it, you either do or don't, I don't care.
 
The above advice is half right. You can get away with playing with yr left leg slightly forward when up to the table (to facillitate an easy f/hand), but not when playing off the table because you cannot generate a backswing because you have no room, your left thigh will be in the way. Square or right foot forward will allow room, and you also have the benefit of extra time as you are off the table.Smile
ok apw - you didnt need any kind of introduction here because the part in bold is constructive criticism, I really appreciate the part in bold.  Constructive means giving advice in a way that helps someone improve.  I believe you are attempting to do it.  If I accept it or not of course thats up to me.
 
could you explain what you mean by it? in regards to you can get away with it at the table - so should I do it?
 
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:09pm
oh and while typing the last response you and speedplay answered some of the confusion

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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:11pm
See at 2:31 right foot forward allows room for backswing. You can play left foot slightly forward or square up the table because the necessity to produce a stroke is reduced with an early taken ball.
 
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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:14pm
Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

Do you have any special rating software in Australia?
 
If you are 1700, then this would correspond to ~2400 as per ratingscentral.com videos.
I believe those videos are very rough guides to help get the first ranking for a player.  I believe I am a 1700 player because as Ive said before I can beat people up to 2000 and be beaten by people as low as 1400.
 
Usually in these situations it is caused mainly by the other players low frequency of play in tournaments. 
 
1700 is the ratingscentral.com score - i think the software we use for it is magello? something like that


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

 
 I don't go in for this 'constructive feedback' rubbish, its either good advice that is correct for you or not, So i'm not going to make a preface apology just incase you don't like it, you either do or don't, I don't care.
 
And this is why nearly every thread you enter deteriorates into a sh!t-throwing contest.
 
First, I wasn't making a "preface apology". My preface was simply explaining my presumption of critiquing someone who is a better player than I. It's called having manners. You should read about it sometime. I understand the notion of the "putting advice out there, take it or leave it" attitude. While you feign that is your attitude, it comes across more like "I'm rude and condescending and when called out for it I claim to be offering neutral advice, take it or leave it". Sorry bud, but that's b.s. You can blame other people for being "too sensitive", etc, all you want. The bottom line is, if you keep getting the same results in different situations then eventually you must see that the common denominator is yourself.
 
If you truly don't care whether people like your advice, then why give it? Obviously you do care, or you wouldn't bother repeatedly taking the time to offer it. And, if you cannot deliver it in a cordial way, then perhaps you should keep it to yourself.
 
I know, I know--everyone says "this is the internet, people are rude". But that's not a justification to me. We came out of the jungle a long time ago. Ironically, civility is what has facilitated the development of technology that lets us treat each other like crap from a distance on the internet. Well, forgive me for having standards, but that's cowardice. If you want to pound on your chest and let everyone know how great of a tough, detached, alpha douche bag you are, then go back to the jungle where there are some apes who might care. This ape is not impressed. Big%20smile
anton I dont care if you are a lower ranked player - politeness is nice -
 
I thought apw was refering to me, but maybe it was to your start,
 
Mate take it or leave it - he winds people up - if not me then you - but I do believe his first post on this thread was much more of an improvement.  I see where you are coming from,
 
Thanks Apw and speedplay - I believe we maybe all going to be friends soon?


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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:25pm
So, are we on for the funniest moment ever, guessing ratings? =) My guess is, Boz isn't lower then 2000 according to the Usatt system and I don't think he is higher then 2200. Obviously, this should be taken with a pinch of salt, since I'm terrible at guessing people's level.

@APW, I see, then I agree with you, the leg on the side you make your stroke should always be slightly behind the other leg.

Boz, since you so strongly prefer to play your bh, I nust ask, it looks quite spinny, but do you have a flatter stroke to use as well? Whis would probably allow you to go for more speed and make it easier to kill from the bh, besides, mixing up the spin will make it harder for the opponent to block it back with good consistency.

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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:28pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:


Thanks Apw and speedplay - I believe we maybe all going to be friends soon?


Let's hope so, cause even if it was fun to throw some flames around, this is more helpful to our game.

Btw, if I haven't said this before, I'm also a low level player, just so everyone knows and don't think I'm trying to act all pro here, cause I'm not. Would probably get crushed by Boz if we ever played each other, but I would still enjoy it.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 5:54pm
as I said earlier - I use tenergy 05 both sides normally - but I gave solcion on backhand a go for a few months to see how I would go against great servers.
 
Against average servers GIVE ME BACK MY 05
Against spinny stuff GIVE ME ANY CONTROL RUBBER
 
You can see I made about 10 points not from him over hitting the table but under hitting - not only that he knows I have one of the spinniest backhands in our club - and to suddenly get very little, (didnt tell him I changed rubber) lol
 
Im using 05 & trialling 25 - im not sold on the 25 yet - its definately better at receiving spinny serves but I love 05 so much - with 25 I have no confidence in looping - used 25 for a week on fh because that is what has always been weak (i thought a lower throw rubber might help) but nah it just made me be more passive drive hit the ball slowly to get the ball on the table.  I will give 25 a week on backhand to give my final verdict - yay or throw away


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Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 6:32pm
LOL,

If I spent the money buying Tenergy, I would make sure to learn how to use it, cause there is no way I would throw it away, regardless of how bad I played with it.

Didn't think there was such a big difference between the 05 and 25.

Back to the video, yes, I noticed that he blocked several of your bh loops in the net, which indicates that they had less spin then expected, but your entire bh stroke looks so much more focused on spin then speed. Mine is roughly the same (al though at a much lower level) and I struggle to hit bh winners. Simple can not generate good speed from bh.

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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 10:58pm
Boz, I have a good BH and tried out a friend's bat with T05 and T64. Both make geat spin for openers. T05 a little better close to the table for spin. T64 seemed to have better power for BH drives and from a meter or so out. Have you given T64 a try, even if it is from a mate's bat? I think you would like T64 on BH overall. I like T05 as a FH opener rubber. Great spin and it stays on the table on the openers. Too bad it is so expensive.

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:26pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

I am the guy in light blue -
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LOLLOLLOL
 


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:40pm
boz we have a common point. you have a decent fh but you are lazy so you rely on a good bh because you think it is hip to play more your bh.
remember: kreanga himself says that fh is the way to go so we should both think of moving our feet more and go for the fh more often when we can.
Another common point between us is beer. I like IPA the best and you?
I started running 1.5 monts ago 3 miles 3 times a week adding a mile a week and i am in my 7 miles week now. I'll stay at there for a few weeks until I go down from 227 pounds (now 214) to 190. I'll add a mile a week from there all the way to a 1/2 then full marathon, all done with a VERY slow pace (under 12 min per mile with no stop so I can breathe ok and talk if I want). My point is as soon as I get stamina back (it's already happening now) I go for my fh more often and make more points of course.
I hate myself when I do 3 or 4 beautiful strong bh loops that do not go through the blocker only because I was too lazy to give him/her a decent  and unblockable fh.
CAPISCE?


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:48pm
Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

Boz, I have a good BH and tried out a friend's bat with T05 and T64. Both make geat spin for openers. T05 a little better close to the table for spin. T64 seemed to have better power for BH drives and from a meter or so out. Have you given T64 a try, even if it is from a mate's bat? I think you would like T64 on BH overall. I like T05 as a FH opener rubber. Great spin and it stays on the table on the openers. Too bad it is so expensive.
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23702&PN=1 - http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23702&PN=1
 
I dont know what is tenergy 64 - lol check the above link - thanks bh
 
as for Fatt mate I know I am lazy - if I were fit Id probably go for forehands - thats well spotted - I wouldnt run though - I dont believe its healthy for the joints, if I start up physical stamina training I would go mountain biking.  (not healthy for your skull if you stak it!
 
as for beer I dont know that abbreviation. 
 
My favorite beer although i never drink is Boddington (an English Ale APW probably knows all too well)
 
Aussie beers cooper pale Ale


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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:50pm
Argh, better make yourself a gift - order 20 cheap rubbers from ebay and glue them on a returnboard. Half an hour practice is better than 7-miles distance in terms of loosing pounds. If there are two of you playing on the same side, as in squash, the results will surprise you.


Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:51pm
as for Kreanga I just watched a youtube clip of him playing an older chinese guy who practically didnt move away from the bh court once and made Kreanga run a marathon left right left right
 
it looked like a lame training video
Personally more than any other player Ive watched I reckon Kreanga was hurt by the ban


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:53pm
ipa = indian pale ale
 
when British brought beer to India on boats the beer would not make the trip. they had then to boost the beer with hops so it made the trip ok hence the bitter taste of ipa.
 
ok let's go back to your match which contains a lot of material to talk about to help us, the developing players.


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:56pm
think i heard of it -
 
only thing im developing in a beer gut - my game is not improving because of
 
1. playing less
2. more unfit
 
both interelated both must be changed for me to reach my previous goal of 2000


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/10/2009 at 11:59pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

as for Kreanga I just watched a youtube clip of him playing an older chinese guy who practically didnt move away from the bh court once and made Kreanga run a marathon left right left right
 
it looked like a lame training video
Personally more than any other player Ive watched I reckon Kreanga was hurt by the ban


I meant that the one man who goes broke on his bh all the time says that fh is better...
Do you remember that match in the 2003 ws against that old spanish / chinese guy?  it was quite the save for kreanga. steel balls all the way defending a match point!!!


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 12:46am
it was against He Zhi Wen.. great match, saves match points..
Kreanga went on to the semis before being knocked out by Joo, methinks..
The final we all know is Joo vs Schlager and Schlager won..


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 1:03am

I know this is off topic but I have often though about it - what the difference between a forum and a chat site?



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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 1:05am
I just added a chat box to my site wondering how people will interact differently when being faced with more frequent replies and less time to react
 
i think my chat box is dodgy because i think people could impersonate someone else - ill see how it goes and may get rid of it if negative stuff happens like that
 


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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 1:10am
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

I know this is off topic but I have often though about it - what the difference between a forum and a chat site?



a forum is a site where you post things that you think will serve the future generations while a chat site is a site where you are doing your best to produce those future generations.


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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 1:48pm
Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

 
My favorite beer although i never drink is Boddington (an English Ale APW probably knows all too well)
 
 
 
 Ah 'Boddies'  nice and smooth, not too strong.. You've just gone up a notch in the APW friendship table (its small)LOL


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by Speedplay Speedplay wrote:

So, are we on for the funniest moment ever, guessing ratings? =) My guess is, Boz isn't lower then 2000 according to the Usatt system and I don't think he is higher then 2200. Obviously, this should be taken with a pinch of salt, since I'm terrible at guessing people's level.


I've allways thought that both Boz and myself are somewhere in the 2000-2200 ratings (US style) based on alot of Videos I've seen of US players I'm pretty sure I'm in the 2100 ish range. The Australian ratings are different and not directly comparable. I'm pretty sure about this so no salt is needed :). I also beleive that everywhere in the world a good club player in a small city will be rated 2100-2200 US depending on the size of the city. Above 2200 US I think is were you can start to compete in at the higher grades in larger (capital) cities. And also if you are below 2000 US then there's no chance you are the best player in your city unless you are from a very tiny little town. How does that sound for accurate :)


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

 
My favorite beer although i never drink is Boddington (an English Ale APW probably knows all too well)
 
 
 
 Ah 'Boddies'  nice and smooth, not too strong.. You've just gone up a notch in the APW friendship table (its small)LOL
last time I drank it you can see was on tap in my tt vlog posted on this forum - yummy stuff - live for something pale

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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 5:38pm
We never seem to know in the UK what is the best Aussie Lager, we are led to believe through ads, its Fosters, or maybe Castle maine 4x, Is that true Boz? or is there some special Aussie stuff we don't know about? BTW, hold a loose grip on short service return on the half volley, this acts like a 'shock absorber' for long deep pushes, hold tighter.

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Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 10/11/2009 at 5:53pm
I always thought that Aussies thought that XXXX was pretty poor.

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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 2:35am
XXXX stands for sXXt - its what i grew up on because my dad always buy it as its from Brisbane - factory right next to my primary school - smell of gas yay
 
fosters is for all you silly people who have no idea that nobody in australia drinks it, honestly nobody I have ever seen drinks that beer, I tried it once in a German "Aussie" bar/pub = yuk.
 
if you want to know what most people drink its VB = victoria bitter
 
but the best by far is Coopers -


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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 2:39am
Australians don't often drink Fosters (I never see anyone drink it)

In Victoria most people would give you a list like this of the best beers in Australia (it's different depending where you live)

Crown Lager
Carlton Draught
Cascade light
Melbourne bitter (this and VB below are the two most common but perhaps not the best)
Victoria bitter


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 2:42am
nice edit to the spelling! mate too quick for me

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Posted By: nicefrog
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 3:36am
Oh yeah I allways do that, I type fast roughly with tons of errors, then read it and go eh, few errors there:p then edit :). I could read it before posting I guess but this is just the way I do things :p


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 9:47am
Cool by me, Im the same - Im an English teacher and I couldnt give a 3456 about spelling on this forum - as long as the message gets across.
 
Ok back on topic - tonight I stuck to my promise to myself - to use t25 from the moment I stepped in the club on my bh and 05 on fh - guess what - my fh suddenly improved and my backhand went to the dogs.   Especially on active attacking shots my backhand just became a mildly speed glued bryce - everyone was so comfortable with it except for a few rockets. so all I can say is t25 doesnt improve my game in anyway.
 
Actually I played better tongith than I have for a long time, I got really close to beating one of the best players in 11:9 in the 5th, havent come close for a long time, the major difference was that I stepped around for my fh on all the serves bar a few which I stood far back and pushed hard with the 25.  before that every bh loop i attempted as an open was a loser.  My fh was back to what it was before I had this whole injury trash which lasted months. 
 
IM SO DAM HAPPY MY FH DOESNT HURT - you have no idea how much it sucks to try and play and win with half your game!  
 
Im not sure what to do with the t25 - Ive give it a couple of weeks now and Im positive it just doesnt suit my style of counterlooping the ball as its dropping, Im just not good at the whole at the table thing - I love to go fish and attack from the unexpected places undder the table....
 
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa    love 05 so much its been ages and nothing comes close!!!!!


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Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 9:51am
nicefrog when we gona meet up and play? I would love to get that on tape!

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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 10/12/2009 at 9:56am
Put me in your ignore list, soft drunkies! Angry



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