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Topic: [Video] Updates on my training
Posted By: ohhgourami
Subject: [Video] Updates on my training
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 5:23am
It has been a long time since I've posted a video of myself playing. Lucky for you guys, it is also a video of parts of my lesson. Feel free to critique, although I hope you guys get more out of the videos than I do, especially who are learning Chinese fh.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYGeXWdgyY%20 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYGeXWdgyY

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3R_vxwudoU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3R_vxwudoU

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_DmDm-umSo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_DmDm-umSo

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Updated 1/07/11: Focus on usage of right leg and waist rotation.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KuyfaraN0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KuyfaraN0

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6_kdT4FATM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6_kdT4FATM

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Updated 1/21/11: Focus on BH to FH Transition

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmVmKjHxGE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmVmKjHxGE

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5KyK7vBZA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5KyK7vBZA

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpee66VQmg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpee66VQmg

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nVnlm1bbXs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nVnlm1bbXs

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Updated 1/28/11: More BH to FH Transition
Most of this lesson was getting my feet to move correctly and getting in place to hit.  I know many of you guys have told me to do the elbow snap, but I've gone over this with Steven and he is fine with me not snapping (at least for these shots).  I've also noticed another factor that adds to my stiff look: the way I pull my arm back to take my next shot.  This will definitely be the thing I'll work on for the next week or so until my next lesson!

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y-cYuyHJS0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y-cYuyHJS0

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyQnigWRCXU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyQnigWRCXU

Enjoy!


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Replies:
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 5:41am
I think you aren't snapping your forearm. Your coach shows you it at :24. 


Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 10:05am
It looks to me you could start your swing a bit higher.  In the video it is starting from below knee level(for lifting backspin.)  It works fine for initiating the first shot but the subsequent ones come in with a decent amount of topspin, so it is beneficial that you capitalize on it and hit more through the ball with a more parallel swing for more speed(by producing a lower arc.)  It helps improve the pacing with more consistent contact points(b/w top-of-bounce and early fall.)


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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:02am
1. You are contacting the ball on the side and too far away from your body when You should be contacting the ball closer and in front of your body.
2. Try to put your left leg more forward and open up your body more. Use more body, your stroke is still all arm and almost none body rotation.
3. Kenney is right, during counter hit use more elbow, and like zeio said, use shorter movement.


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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:45am
I've lost my 2 replies due to internet disconnection...:(:( But anyway, two thumbs up to your courage for posting up your video.

Firstly, try to take videos from the side, as that will expose a lot of problems much clearer(as it has a depth perspective!)

Secondly, think of your elbow as a pivot! You are consciously lifting up your elbow as I can see, treating this lifting of your elbow as a source of energy. This is called 抬肘 in Chinese forums.
This is the cause for why you're not snapping your forearm as kenney88 observed. Keep your elbow much closer to your body!

I highly recommend reading articles by 德瑞克 of the Bokett forums. It has been a great help to me! Here is the link: http://bokett.com/tt/dispbbs.asp?boardid=118&Id=198409%20%20%20 - http://bokett.com/tt/dispbbs.asp?boardid=118&Id=198409  

Hope you'll improve further in the new year!



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Posted By: PanPong
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 12:15pm
Some things I noticed:

In my opinion your arm is way to farr out from your body. At times it's almost as if you're making a 90-degree angle with your armpit. If you look at your coaches demonstration he too has his arm much closer into his body.

You are sticking your arm very far out to get to the ball and it looks like at times your just leaning over to the right to hit. Probably a combination of footwork and technique at this stage.

Wristwork seems to be lacking in your shots.

Little to no transfer of weight in your shots. This is a bit of of a carry on from the second point, but you're just leaning and hitting with arm only. It appears that you're too concerned with the motion of the arm itself and forgetting about using your legs and body.

Finally, it might just be the angle at which the camera is placed but you seem to maintain a pretty side-on position for most of the time. It's not too much of a problem really, especially since you're training your forehand. Though I would keep an eye on it, not that you develop some bad habits for in game or when it comes to having to link together your forehand and backhand.


Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 12:18pm
your technique looks so unnatural to me. It looks like you're trying to copy the stroke of a pro player.


Posted By: PanPong
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

your technique looks so unnatural to me. It looks like you're trying to copy the stroke of a pro player.


Wang LiQin I suspect... LOL


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 12:44pm
being a right handed player your stance in a forehand drive should not be parrelel rather the right foot should be behind the left foot of yours. it prevents you from having a good body rotation and your left shoulder doesn't go with the rotation and return to its original position when you drive making your strokes more on arm swings

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Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 12:51pm
With respect to all the above answers, I'm sure his coach knows what he's doing, whilst everyone has their 'you should be doing this' reply these things take time, many players never put in enough hours in the required space of time to get things right, because the amount of hours needed is unrealistic for them. So technical perfection is not always possible. It won't stop the coaches taking your money though....

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Posted By: dragon kid
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 1:14pm
With respect to your answer APW, there are things that is basic in our technical development. It's not like everyone is saying that he has to have a perfect technique.
For example if he contact the ball too far from his body it will hinder him to put maximum power on his shots.
The point of putting up a video is to get input to improve. At the end of the day, It comes down to ohh to try to pick up which advises that he thinks he should take that can improve him. It's not like he has to do what everyone said.. Big smile


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 3:31pm
Thanks for the advice. and sorry about the camera angle.

I agree with you guys on the elbow snap as I have used it before. This lesson was mainly focused on breaking some habits with my legs and using them properly. I'll defintely try to put that back into my shot.

I didn't realize I was standing so parallel and that will get fixed.

I was asking my coach about the length my arm is extended and he said that was fine. I won't be restricted on power as long as I don't lock my elbow.

I'm surprised no one commented about how high I stand. I know if I bend my knees even more, the waist rotation thing will get fixed automatically.

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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 4:32pm
Originally posted by ohhgourami ohhgourami wrote:

Thanks for the advice. and sorry about the camera angle.

I agree with you guys on the elbow snap as I have used it before. This lesson was mainly focused on breaking some habits with my legs and using them properly. I'll defintely try to put that back into my shot.

I didn't realize I was standing so parallel and that will get fixed.

I was asking my coach about the length my arm is extended and he said that was fine. I won't be restricted on power as long as I don't lock my elbow.

I'm surprised no one commented about how high I stand. I know if I bend my knees even more, the waist rotation thing will get fixed automatically.

Your form is not bad at all... That said, your waist rotation is minimal, as you turn too slowly, so you used mostly arm and wrist.  You started your swing with your weight on your right foot, which is good, but then you failed to transfer it to your left leg as you completed the stroke, so it took away most of your power and spin... The optimal stance before you loop should have your body weight in the neutral position before shifting it to your right leg as the ball comes to you.  In order to correct your balance, I recommend that you keep a neutral stance (body weight firmly in between your two feet) when you practice the same loop from now on.  Do not shift your weight to your right foot at all even when you reach for a wide fh loop... Move both of your feet to do so while maintaining your balance right in the middle.  Use your waist rotation to generate power.  Once you can do the same drill (as in the video) comfortably, then you can starting shifting weight between your right and left foot.

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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 10:55pm
well put roundrobin! steven should be good enough to block into the same spot so that you can work on the hip rotation part. i would suggest working on the elbow snap with rotation at 40% effort. you're going to be moon balling it a bit but it'll help with timing and feel. then start going at it with a more forward follow through. that should get it done =)

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Posted By: quakerroatmeal
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:02pm
I've had the exact same problem with being too stiff, not using enough forearm/snapping my elbow as well. My coach had to emphasize and remind me every time, now I believe it's getting better. 


Posted By: DDreamer
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:32pm
oohgourami I gather you haven't been playing seriously for all that long and that you are just moving into an intermediate(ish) level. As such you look like you are coming along fine. One thing that I can't recommend highly enough is that you find a decent chopper (not easy to do I know) and practice regularly against him/her. Looping against chop will teach you to get spin, power and dip in your shots. Also, the often uneven returns (in spin and length) a chopper gives you will get you accustomed to making the constant tiny adjustments one needs to do when looping in a match. Too many players learn to loop only against block and/or multi-ball in a robotic fashion and they then struggle when the rubber hits the road - especially against LP players and the like. Good luck. 


Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:33pm
Thanks for the advice so far, video added!!

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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:52pm
i like the second vid too! i think you have better footwork than me actually =(. the one thing i see in the second vid is that you have trouble with impacting. you're still using h3 on the fh right?  it needs that quick snap in order for you to get the speed and spin required. i saw that you tried to get into a looping rally with steven and you missed a few times. that snap and impacting ability will make it easier for you for sure =)

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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 12:15am
Thanks Tuan.

The past few lessons with Steven have been focused on getting enough impact - "snap" to drive the ball forward and add that needed spin.  I was focusing a lot more on how I was using my legs during this lessons plus a few other components.  Although I had about 6 lessons in the past 3 weeks, I only played about 10 hours total including the lessons.  Right now, I'm trying to put all of that together.


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Posted By: quakerroatmeal
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 12:25am
Just wondering how long have you been playing for? Putting everything together is so hard as it comes together very slow. Footwork I find is one of the hardest thing when training.


Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 12:29am
Playing for a bit over 2 years.

Part 3 uploaded!!


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Posted By: Hookshot
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 1:04am
I am surprized no one noticed how you dip your right shoulder so low. Good for brush loops but I think that is part of the reason you have a problem with body rotation. Smile


Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 1:36am
bh is really nice in the 3rd vid!!

if you want to focus on the legs alone (probably did this already b/c steven knows more than me) try to just do counters while you get the legs moving. but i think your footwork is already there. which would then mean that this is the part where you're trying to put everything together. maybe try slowing down the pace so you can focus on getting it right? i dunno really....steven knows best =)

either way, you're doing a great job and definitely keep it up. you should be able to beat me in about 3-6 months if you progress really fast.


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 2:14am
Originally posted by tpgh2k tpgh2k wrote:

bh is really nice in the 3rd vid!!if you want to focus on the legs alone (probably did this already b/c steven knows more than me) try to just do counters while you get the legs moving. but i think your footwork is already there. which would then mean that this is the part where you're trying to put everything together. maybe try slowing down the pace so you can focus on getting it right? i dunno really....steven knows best =)either way, you're doing a great job and definitely keep it up. you should be able to beat me in about 3-6 months if you progress really fast.

thanks again. I'm still not satisfied with my bh yet. I just want to be enough stable so ppl won't pick on it during match.

There are a lot of things Steven has told me to do plus all the other tips you've guys have given me. I will need some time to put things together step by step. The only problem is that Steven is moving away to Rockville so I am pretty much left with no coach for now. A coach as good as him will be very hard to come by. Luckily he can still try to teach me stuff through webcamming and from vids I will constantly be recording. Although school has started, I am thinking about doing a few roadtrips back to LA for a few more lessons.

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Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 2:26am
The only problem is that Steven is moving away to Rockville so I am pretty much left with no coach for now. A coach as good as him will be very hard to come by.


I am sorry to hear your loss of a fine coach.    Disapprove

*If you are looking for new local coach/coaches, may I suggest:

-Cheng Yi Du for Chinese forehand.
-For backhand lessons I can't think of any other local coach better than Ben Johnson.



Posted By: rodewan
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 2:38am
where exactly do you play? your club looks awesome


Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 3:26am
@roundrobin Yes, Jim is a possible coach but he charges a much higher price than Steven.  Steven is also a much more experienced coach who can speak english too.  I guess I can improve on my mandarin...  Where does Ben Johnson play?  Do you know any coaches that are located in the San Diego area that can coach Chinese forehand and charge a decent price?

@rodewan I play at Grace Lin TTC which is located in South El Monte.  paddleattack.com is their site.  Although it is not the biggest club, I feel it has the best environment for playing.  Steven and great playing environment plus the friendly people keep me from going anywhere else to play in LA.


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Posted By: DDreamer
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 3:27am
Originally posted by Hookshot Hookshot wrote:

I am surprized no one noticed how you dip your right shoulder so low. Good for brush loops but I think that is part of the reason you have a problem with body rotation. Smile
Actually, given that you have been playing for over 2 years, a bit of brushing wouldn't be a bad thing. Your current loops are really more like quasi-counterhits than loops: not much spin and little dip. Trying to get more spin on your loop could also help your to get more snap/speed through your shot. Your BH technique is looking good tho - just keep practicing and it will become very solid I suspect.


Posted By: Hookshot
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 3:56am
If you watch the right shoulder, it is moving down, then up. Not forwards. I would slow everything down untill the stroke is better. You do not have to hit hard to learn loops. It is eaiser to spot things at a slower pace. Multiball is another option. Not fast multiball, hit one and the coach looks for things like stroke start and end position, feet position. body rotation. Make correction and then another ball. Repeat. When correct, then regular multiball. When that is working, then go to countering or looping blocks. If you don't make 10 or 20 in a row, you are going to fast.

This is the method I use for students. The reason for starting with one ball at a time is to give me the time to watch the students stroke. If I have to block the ball back, I can not see everything that is happening.  Once the stroke is correct, it is not hard to make 20 or more in a row.  Smile


Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 01/03/2011 at 7:49am
It looks like your arm is doing most of the work in your loop.  If you use more legs and hips the stroke will look a little more natural.

If I may suggest- when you loop, start your loop motion with your legs and hips, use your legs and hips to carry your arm towards the ball (at this point in the loop, the arm is relaxed and moves with the torso and shoulders); when the ball is in the strike zone use your forearm like you are going to yank a dumbbell towards your head, and don't force your arm to stop after you finish contact with the ball.

Your loop looks good, keep up the hard work.  It's great how you have good coach to work with!


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Posted By: mudy_431
Date Posted: 01/06/2011 at 2:12pm
Your BH is awesome, i dream to have such a nice BH.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 01/06/2011 at 9:38pm

I like everything about your game because there is nothing fundamentaly wrong and it will take so little to make everything lethal in the next stages of your progression.

The wrist snap of the bh drive shows that you have there a lot of confidence in that stroke so you just let it go and you are very relax about it. If you can find a way to apply the same relaxation to the fh loop then it will be so faster and spinier. 
 
It is hard to be relax when you want to do something perfect as I sense you do.
 
"Relax" is such an important word in TT. It drives all of my tt thinking lol. By not being relax we lose power at every stage of the stroke (kness, hips, torso, shoulder...) and we appear a bit like Mr. Tin Man (you do not!).
 
The best way I find to be relax is to focus more on recovery: when I focus to have a better elliptical recovery between the end of stroke and the end of back swing, relaxation comes as a side effect as there is no way we can enter a nice rhythmic groove in the stroke/recovery combo if we are not relax.
 
The beauty of it is when we can do it we can feel it in all your body and mind and it feels really good: that's where we learn, build muscle memory and that's the speed at which we should stay until we can do it faster and still keep the ball on the table.
 
Thanks for showing videos of your training.
 


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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/06/2011 at 10:47pm
just a thought from way long ago....you should lift weights until your arms are about to fall off. then try to fh loop. voila you will have the relaxed arm and almost-perfect swing =D

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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 01/06/2011 at 11:59pm
Imagine someone used a TT bat and sharply struck your hitting hand wrist real hard. That would make you hold the arm/hand closer to the body with a 90 degree bend in the elbow, plus you would be very loose there. Loosly insert TT bat into hand and you are back in business.

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Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 01/07/2011 at 3:45am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

 "Relax" is such an important word in TT. It drives all of my tt thinking lol. By not being relax we lose power at every stage of the stroke (kness, hips, torso, shoulder...) and we appear a bit like Mr. Tin Man (you do not!).

That is one of the most important epiphanies I had recently!!!  Being relaxed gives me more time to react, more time to prepare my stroke, more time to move.  We can all preform perfect strokes when we're practicing, but why can we do that in a game?!?!  Because we're not relaxed!!!  Being relaxed is a tremendous concept to understand!!!  (At least for me)Tongue


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/07/2011 at 2:20pm
Thanks for all the comments and advice guys.  I'm doing a roadtrip in a bit from SD to LA to get coaching Big smile

More videos on my playing will be posted unless I play completely awful but that shouldn't happen Tongue


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 1:04am
New video added!!!  more to come!!

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KuyfaraN0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KuyfaraN0

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6_kdT4FATM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6_kdT4FATM


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Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 2:34am
The elbow looks a little high and it seems like you are leaning to far to one side. But just by watching the first few hits, I can say it looks a lot better.  Good work!

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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 3:14am
my easiest advice is to keep your focus and relax. You get frustrated too easily. I feel like the reason I've gotten quite a bit better recently is just that- I don't get mad at myself as much and i try to keep a positive attitude. So what if you miss a lot in a row or something- that's why you're practicing.

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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 3:30am
follow through is a bit high hence why you're missing the table. the main problem is in the swing itself. i see that steven was trying to fix it. i'm putting up a simple diagram that shows what i think i see in your swing. one thing for sure is that i can see an open paddle angle at the end of your swing. it should more closed...







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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 3:33am
the parts when you tank the balls into the net are actually when you swing correctly. you just need to hold the ball longer and launch the sucker. that's where the impact part comes in.

but good work all in all! =D


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 4:29am
I have regular practice tomorrow/much later today.  I will definitely be working to improve on fh.

Thanks for all the advice so far.


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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 11:38am
I'm sorry ohhgourami, but you're still not snapping your forearm. No matter Chinese or European loop, the forearm snapping is the most important thing in FH/BH technique, and even WLQ snaps his forearm if you notice. You should go back to basic counterhits to learn snapping the forearm instead of starting directly with loops. I'm afraid this loop training will further worsen ur technique not improve it.

Just my 2 cents.


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Posted By: mhnh007
Date Posted: 01/10/2011 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I'm sorry ohhgourami, but you're still not snapping your forearm. No matter Chinese or European loop, the forearm snapping is the most important thing in FH/BH technique, and even WLQ snaps his forearm if you notice. You should go back to basic counterhits to learn snapping the forearm instead of starting directly with loops. I'm afraid this loop training will further worsen ur technique not improve it.

Just my 2 cents.

Just to play counter, you don't need to use the forearm much, but I agree with bladness that you need to use the forearm more to loop.


Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/11/2011 at 2:38am
i'm still loving the vids tho! definitely will take ur idea and put mine up too =)

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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/11/2011 at 3:17am
Originally posted by tpgh2k tpgh2k wrote:

i'm still loving the vids tho! definitely will take ur idea and put mine up too =)

That would be great Tuan.

I finally put together the elbow snap and the "concave" motion today.  I know I know you guys keep telling me to elbow snap, but one step at a time.  My footwork is still weird on certain shots and I want to perfect that before I move on to anything else.  Like I said, that lesson was mainly on right leg movement and waist rotation.


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Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 01/11/2011 at 3:35am

Very fast progress. Good for you!



Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/23/2011 at 6:07pm
I found out what makes my power transfer look soo awkward!!!!  I was pushing off my heels to create power instead of the balls of my feet!!!

More videos soon to be put up.  Sadly I found out about my problem towards the end of my lesson. Cry


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/23/2011 at 9:48pm
Vids being added!!!

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmVmKjHxGE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmVmKjHxGE

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5KyK7vBZA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5KyK7vBZA

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpee66VQmg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNpee66VQmg

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nVnlm1bbXs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nVnlm1bbXs

Feel free to comment!


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Posted By: Ashes
Date Posted: 01/23/2011 at 11:53pm
I think you are not stepping around enough in order to play diagonal fh from bh corner. I think your left leg should be a lot more forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-npdrAkzpw8 - here see how much more angled is Ryu


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Posted By: Vassily
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 12:06am
Im sure your coach knows best, but here are my thoughts:
 
I think not snapping your elbow is causing your arm to have too much rotational and forward momentum, so it makes you fall over forward.
 
You end up swinging slower than you can because you are trying not to fall over, and braking your swing quite quickly after you hit the ball, rather than letting your arm just freewheel.
 
Weight transfer forward is good, but after you hit the ball there is no need to transfer any more weight, so you better go back to your normal balance asap! So for really big loops people usually take a step forward with their left foot, makes it easier to get back up.
 
Your swing seems very forced, and yet languid (no acceleration). Its supposed to be natural and focussed.
 
Dont try to follow some preconceived model of "how you should swing" with some kind of planned flightpath as if you are some robot. Just relax and swing happily away. Your body is very clever and will naturally arrange itself into a good power linkage. Your coach will correct you to tune the last bits of power, but your job is to stay relaxed and natural.


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 12:06am
Originally posted by Ashes Ashes wrote:

I think you are not stepping around enough in order to play diagonal fh from bh corner. I think your left leg should be a lot more forward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-npdrAkzpw8 - here see how much more angled is Ryu


Actually my left leg was too forward at one point.  My legs should be pointed perpendicularly to the bh corner


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Posted By: razortt
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 12:14am
Thanks for sharing your videos, it takes a lot of courage, I applaud you for that.Clap One obvious thing I would comment is that forearm needs to be retracted to complete the stroke. Weight transfer needs to be focused on too.(turn waist) It looks like a lot of time you put your weight on right leg and forgot to transfer it to left leg. Backhand looks good, I would originate the backhand stroke closer to body (in front of belly button) then with follow through. A lot of reaching out, means the ball is not stable. Your feet can be a little faster, and more small hops to reach optimum striking distance between your body and the ball. You probably already hear  that a lot from your coach Wink. Good job and good videos!!!

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Posted By: Vassily
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 12:16am
Sometimes when you are hitting the ball back to a blocker you tense up more because you are trying to be consistent to make a blockable ball. I think multiball aids relaxation, since you dont need to care about where the ball lands and can hit at whatever natural pace suits you. Furthermore, multiball makes you really really tired until you dont care anymore and become completely relaxed... :p

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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 12:34am
Originally posted by Vassily Vassily wrote:

Sometimes when you are hitting the ball back to a blocker you tense up more because you are trying to be consistent to make a blockable ball. I think multiball aids relaxation, since you dont need to care about where the ball lands and can hit at whatever natural pace suits you. Furthermore, multiball makes you really really tired until you dont care anymore and become completely relaxed... :p

Where I want to land the ball is not the cause of my tensing up, it is that I'm trying to focus on individual elements on how to produce power.  My coach has no problem blocking any of the shots I give him, that is the purpose of having a high level coach too.  The goal of all the videos is not directly consistently landing balls, but how I am landing the balls.  My goal in all these videos are to have a good chain of movement starting from the balls of my toes all the way up to my fingers to transfer all the power into the ball, as a side effect, the balls will be fast and spinny in addition to being consistent too. 

I will agree that multiball does aid relaxation, but my coach is already giving me shots at my natural pace.  I'm just focusing on different elements so it may look like I'm tense - in addition to how much my stroke has changed since the first video, all in less than a months work.


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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 6:58am
Originally posted by razortt razortt wrote:

Thanks for sharing your videos, it takes a lot of courage, I applaud you for that.Clap One obvious thing I would comment is that forearm needs to be retracted to complete the stroke. Weight transfer needs to be focused on too.(turn waist) It looks like a lot of time you put your weight on right leg and forgot to transfer it to left leg. Backhand looks good, I would originate the backhand stroke closer to body (in front of belly button) then with follow through. A lot of reaching out, means the ball is not stable. Your feet can be a little faster, and more small hops to reach optimum striking distance between your body and the ball. You probably already hear  that a lot from your coach Wink. Good job and good videos!!!
perfect advice ,I noticed when you used a bit more waist at times in your last vid your shots were better . keep it up

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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 8:57am
I'm not qualified to comment on technique, but your progress is evident, even compared to the first round of videos!

I especially enjoyed how compact and powerful your backhand is getting!

KUDOS!




The only concern I have is that Steven had more trouble than I would expect returning your shots :)
I've chalked this up to the inevitable variation in spin/power that occurs while you are learning new technique (from the timing/contact changes).


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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 11:46am
towards the end of the vid those loop drives were MONSTER!!!! you were probably putting about 65-75% effort into those. just imagine what would happen when you really go for those shots.

west coast > east coast. your bh looks way better than mine and that footwork is coming together really nicely. i'll put up a vid of me trying to shake off some holiday rust for you to bash in a bit =)


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 1:36pm
@icontek  thanks!  I was hoping that my progress compared to the first round was a good leap forward.  I've felt that my bh has been relatively the same throughout my playing, just timing has improved with the addition to just being confident and comfortable enough just loop every ball.  I think Steven only "had trouble" because of my inconsistencies. Embarrassed

@tpgh2k I don't think those shots were fast enough Tongue I realized that I was pushing off my heel the whole time (the last 2+ years!!!) and the loop drives I did at the end of the last vid were from trying out pushing off the balls of my feet.  After I starting doing that, I got a huge power and consistency boost.  And a lot of it has to do with my current sheet of H3 Big smile  Now to feel comfortable doing it and I think all my weight transfer, waist rotation, tense stroke, fail to elbow snap problems will finally all be gone!!!!  It's amazing how this one little issue right at the start of my stroke would derail my whole chain of motion!!!

I believe this coming Friday will be the last lesson I will be able to have (for a long long time) with Steven.  My greatest hope for the next lesson is to have correct motion for my fh so that way I will not screw up my fh while I'm on my own.


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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/24/2011 at 5:06pm
oh i think i'm on my heels a lot too come to think of it...weight transfer sucks when i have to move =/. you'll see when i put up the vid. it's processing right now....and i'm in class lol.

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Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 01/30/2011 at 12:29am

I have laboriously compiled this set of pictures for your studying purposes.  It is a frame-by-frame comparison of your FH vs. WLQ's FH at several parts of the swing: Backswing, Contact, Post Contact, and Follow through.  I have pulled these frames from the following videos:

1.21.11 Lesson Part 4 by ohhgourami @ 2:48
Wang Liqin vs. Chen Qi 2009 WTTC by ttcountance @ 5:04

Backswing


Contact




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OSP UII
FH: Rozena
BH: Rozena


Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 01/30/2011 at 12:31am
Post Contact


Follow Through




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OSP UII
FH: Rozena
BH: Rozena


Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 01/30/2011 at 12:37am
I couldn't get a frame from you video for a "precontact" picture so I left it out.  A little about the WLQ vs. Chen Qi Point @ 5:04.  This is in the middle of a rally, so his stroke will not be as nice as his practice strokes, but you can still get good information from these pictures.  I also chose this match because the angle that they use is closest to the angles the ohhgourami uses in his videos.

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Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 01/30/2011 at 1:19am
that's  alot of hard work! i think it's pretty much the follow through that's stopping you from getting that super nasty loop a-la wlq...

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Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 01/30/2011 at 2:34am
Originally posted by tpgh2k tpgh2k wrote:

that's  alot of hard work! i think it's pretty much the follow through that's stopping you from getting that super nasty loop a-la wlq...
 Its realy only the leg span of WLQ that realy shows up the  big shot difference

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Posted By: Nori
Date Posted: 01/30/2011 at 9:37pm
Originally posted by ohhgourami ohhgourami wrote:

@icontek  thanks!  I was hoping that my progress compared to the first round was a good leap forward.  I've felt that my bh has been relatively the same throughout my playing, just timing has improved with the addition to just being confident and comfortable enough just loop every ball.  I think Steven only "had trouble" because of my inconsistencies. Embarrassed

@tpgh2k I don't think those shots were fast enough Tongue I realized that I was pushing off my heel the whole time (the last 2+ years!!!) and the loop drives I did at the end of the last vid were from trying out pushing off the balls of my feet.  After I starting doing that, I got a huge power and consistency boost.  And a lot of it has to do with my current sheet of H3 Big smile  Now to feel comfortable doing it and I think all my weight transfer, waist rotation, tense stroke, fail to elbow snap problems will finally all be gone!!!!  It's amazing how this one little issue right at the start of my stroke would derail my whole chain of motion!!!

I believe this coming Friday will be the last lesson I will be able to have (for a long long time) with Steven.  My greatest hope for the next lesson is to have correct motion for my fh so that way I will not screw up my fh while I'm on my own.


Firstly, your coach is a beast. Secondly, your backhand is amazing.


Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/31/2011 at 2:38am
@Jeff WOW!!!  thanks for posting all those screenshots!  must have been tedious!  I never realized how similar my motion is to WLQ.  I've long stopped trying to emulate WLQ's form, but I guess it's been ingrained in my form now.

@Tuan  I'm surprised that my follow through turned out that way in that screenshot.  I never knew I actually hit like that.  I will try something else tomorrow and see how that works.

@Nori  Thanks!!!  You should watch his match with Tim Wang during the recent Nationals.

HEHEHE  Steven will be staying for at least another month which means at least 3 more lessons with him!!!  Big smile


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Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 01/31/2011 at 6:02am
More updates!  Most of this lesson was getting my feet to move correctly and getting in place to hit.  I know many of you guys have told me to do the elbow snap, but I've gone over this with Steven and he is fine with me not snapping (at least for these shots).  I've also noticed another factor that adds to my stiff look: the way I pull my arm back to take my next shot.  This will definitely be the thing I'll work on for the next week or so until my next lesson!

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y-cYuyHJS0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y-cYuyHJS0

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyQnigWRCXU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyQnigWRCXU

Enjoy and comment!


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Posted By: AllezCho
Date Posted: 01/31/2011 at 8:31pm
Your technique just keeps getting better and better with every new video you post! Great job! Thumbs Up
 
First off, your footwork is improving. You're moving more for every shot, and your transitions are also getting better. Although sometimes, you're either not moving quickly enough, not moving far enough, or just not moving at all. This results in mistiming, which causes you to dump the ball in the net if you're late or shoot off the table if you're a bit early. Especially with your Chinese rubber, timing is crucial. Work on more efficient movement.
 
In particular, your transition to the FH on the left corner of the table is very nice. Clap And you are adding more weight transfer to FH loops, hence the added power and accuracy. Still, sometimes you don't move at all when you transition between FH and BH, especially shots in the middle of the table. Work on your weight transfer, especially after a transition to FH from BH.
 
All in all, your improvement in footwork and transitions result in an obvious improvement in your shot consistency. It won't be long before you can start adding even more power while keeping the same level of consistency.
 
Good luck, and keep up the good work! Wink  


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