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'Rare Footage' Ma Lin and Wang Liqin glueing up at |
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lild100
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Posted: 03/12/2011 at 11:39am |
Ma Lin and Wang Liqin glueing up at China Trials 2011
Are they boosting?
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dual700
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WLQ seemed to use WBG.. I dunno about Ma Lin
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opinari
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It looks like Ma Lin is using some sort of booster (the yellow topped bottle has a brush attached) and both are using Nittaku Finezip (incidentally, the nicest water based glue I've ever used).
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takaaki
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what is that contraption that the off-camera, talking girl is handing ma lin?? is that an e-nez sniffer??
anyhow, even if they are using a booster, it's clearly VOC-free. so, what's the sense in making a rule that's totally unenforceable?? |
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Its not an enez machine, they are larger with a chamber that fits the bat into, It looks like one of the new more sensitive devices though.
Its pretty clear that WLQ keeps his room tidyer than Ma Lin, thats for sure.
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ttCrawsaive
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I don't know those bottles and stuff, but really, even IF ma and wang would've been boosting, cctv wouldn't record it or even get permission from ma and wang to record it.
And if ma and wang would be so crazy to give that permission, than cctv wouldn't show it.
They don't boost.
At least not illegally.
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liXiao
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Ma was using Haifu Glue. It looked very similar to the speed glue bottles Haifu makes...
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Rich215
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The bottle of Haifu on table looks like tuning oil, and it looks like he used finezip to glue.
The female voice said at the end..... "hurry up, we only have 10 mins". Edited by Rich215 - 03/12/2011 at 1:55pm |
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spinnmaster
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They certainly boost, look howe the rubber is domed/curled. I think all the top players boost their rubbers and i am confused howe they manage to pass all the racket coverings tests???
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takaaki
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i have to agree. CCTV had to get permission from the chinese nat'l team, probably from the manager, HUANG BIAO (forgive me if that's not the right way to spell his name) first just to film and then later to show what they filmed to the public. it's a safe bet that at least huang biao, before signing off on it, woulda gone over that film first to make sure nothing objectionable would air (literally and figuratively). and it's a distinct possibility, given how "propangandistic" they are over there, that the whole thing was contrived just to show that they're in compliance with the rules. who is the talking girl that hands ma that device before he walks out? what is that device and why did the cameraman film "the hand-off?" lastly, adham sharara WILL see that video. what sense does it make for the chinese nat'l team to allow a video, first, to be made and then, second, to be released to the public that depicts them casually flouting the rules? |
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yeah, well, ma evidently has a girl that's taking care of him. wang's busy chasing after movie star chicks!!! |
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JKC
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A domed rubber doesn't prove they boosted them. No doubt they would say they came from the factory like that.
Based on the title I was expecting a little bit more evidence.
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spinnmaster
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Yes a domed rubber doesn´t prove anything, but we all know what it is THEY ARE BOOSTING!
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lild100
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But there is a Haifu Booster on the table.... on that table there should only be white glue. There is visible of white glue and the Haifu booster here:
Edited by lild100 - 03/12/2011 at 4:22pm |
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pongcrazy
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Ma Lin I can't really tell, but WLQ on the other hand I think definitely boosted or tuned. For those of you who have done so before, you know there is that special rubber jiggle from a fresh boosting when you move the rubber around. It's from the swelling of the sponge in combination with the tight stretch of the topsheet. Watch WLQ's rubber jiggle like Jell-o with any slight movement..... certainly tuned up there.
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WLQ rubber looks like it already has an application of 'something' before he used FineZip.
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spinnmaster
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Yes it certainly does look like there is some kind of stuff before FineZip!
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Rich215
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no way.....pro's would never boost a rubber..... The Haifu bottle is probably just some new energy drink they were sharing. They needed to do something with all those bottles after the ITTF put the ca-bosh on the Haifu oil tuner.
Oh...and the electronic device in the lady's hand looks like a remote mic and headset. Ma Lin was probably going to give an interview or do some special spot for CCTV. Edited by Rich215 - 03/12/2011 at 5:09pm |
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Can anyone who understands Chinese give a gist of the interview? I'm a little surprised because it looks like they're about to play in a tournament and they've just glued their rackets (of course, they might have filmed earlier). I usually need at least 24 hours of letting a racket dry after using water glue but I usually let mine dry for 2 or 3 days before using. Otherwise, it feels really mushy. Maybe it's different for hard Chinese sponges.
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panany
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i have this booster haifu :) is very good...
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Jonan
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Why is there even an argument here? The general agreement about Chinese rubbers is that they aren't playable in high levels without lots of tuning to get any kind of feel, people talk all about it, but when given video evidence, its "naw, just because there's a bottle there that looks exactly like tuning oil, doesnt mean he tunes!"
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panany
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but you dont see her rubber he is curled............................
of course he uesr booster hehe |
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He's burning through that booster
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Jonan
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On the table there is a little bottle of glue, the bottle that is clearly haifu tuning oil, and his racket and already cut rubber. If he wasnt boosting, why did he remove and then re-glue an already cut sheet instead of putting on a new one?
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The commentator said WLQ brushed glue onto his rubber more than 10 times while showing him putting the white glue (finezip?) onto the sponge. I have a feeling he used a different glue/booster 10+ times before putting the finezip on... WLQ was known for speedgluing 20+ times before the ban!
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takaaki
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wow!! that's pretty damn incriminating!! i just wonder why would they even show that, knowing the president will most likely see the vid... are you sure this is actually booster? the blurb on the label says it's "adhesive," as you guys over in england say. |
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liXiao
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During trials, the chinese usually operate under different rules. Ma Lin once played with black rubber on both sides of his paddle during Chinese league matches, so I am not surprised. @takaaki, even if the president sees it, he can't do anything about it. If he tests the racket, and it turns up nothing, then he will just embarrass himself. If it does turn up something, then Ma Lin can just grab another paddle, like in 07 when they said his rubber was too thick so he played with Wang Hao's paddle.
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takaaki
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oh, this was during the trials... well, then, sharara has no jurisdiction over that...
here, they're playing between themselves, so it doesn't really matter, but, like you say, even if they do it during the pro tour, so what?? it's undetectable. besides, everybody's doing it--alexli sells this at his store, so anybody can get it. |
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liXiao
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There in lies that problem, "everyone does it so its okay", that doesn't really make it okay. Then again, how completely awful would it be to watch chinese players playing with Hurricane/Skyline untuned using water glue? The game would be as slow as the amateurs.
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