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    Posted: 09/26/2006 at 12:06am
As we all know, TSP tt products aren't the easiest or cheapest to get in North America. The company has been around for many decades and make some quality stuff. I recently ordered the TSP Real, Actor, and Summit from M. Suzuki and will provide some feedback for you once I've tried them. If you guys have experience with any of these rubbers, please provide a review. Let's bring some publicity to this low key, but quality tt brand!
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used real and summit before. speed is quite fast, a bit slower than bryce, a bit only. however, the spin is a lot more than bryce. it's surface is slightly sticky, that's why it can produce a lot of spin. it's quite a nice rubber. summit, quite slow, but good with speed glue. it's surface is super sticky, so when keeping make sure it's 85% dust free
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I got a sheet of TSP Summit from Robbins Table Tennis, the North American Distributor at http://www.robbinstabletennis.com  Not cheap but in the U.S.

I found the sheet was a high quality Chinese rubber but otherwise wasn't too much different in performance from the much cheaper 729-3. 

This is similar to what I found with TSP Triple, which is pretty much the same as Winning TSS Super, which I can get for a cheaper price elsewhere.

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Originally posted by agooding2 agooding2 wrote:

I found the sheet was a high quality Chinese rubber but otherwise wasn't too much different in performance from the much cheaper 729-3. 

This is similar to what I found with TSP Triple, which is pretty much the same as Winning TSS Super, which I can get for a cheaper price elsewhere.

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does tsp rubber have chinese top sheet with japanese sponge or is it something else...?

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I have a sheet of TSP Real in max thickness in red. It seems pretty nice. However, I have max BTY Catapult on the other side of my Primo Vitesse, and I think I like the catapult better for my forehand. I'm not much of an equipment expert so it's hard for me to compare, but the TSP Real seems like a good all-around rubber.
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TSP Curl p-1r 1.0mm Black
Soft sponge, soft pimples
I only have one complaint about this rubber.. The pimples go all the way to the bottom of the rubber, so.. really uncomfortable when putting my index finger across the back there haha Other than that.. spin reversal is excellent, control is good. I am able to consistently return mid/far range chops with a low arc. I've also tried the Stiga Destroyer, but prefer this one more on the Joo blade. Pimples more dense compared to Destroyer. $15CAD from iruiru. Last but not least... a marketing note.. it's used by Joo se Hyuk =)
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TSP inverted rubbers like Triple, Summit and 730 are Chinese topsheets with Japanese sponge.  Sometimes they have a Chinese sponge.

Some of their products (like TSP Spectol) are Japanese topsheets, but  I haven't tried that wide a range, so I think it depends on the rubber.

Unfortunately, there is no discount in the US for the CHinese made products.  Pretty much everything is $28-30 or more.

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almost buy tsp real last week. After touch the rubber and sponge, it has medium-hard feels. don't like it... Harder than tango extreme.

btw, tsp bjorn is very popular rubber here. I don't like it because too fast for me. Just like bryce fx...
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well used bjorn before too, however, it's surface is just does not produce enough spin
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Got my rubbers today! First of all, props to M. Suzuki from Iruiru.com. I ordered Sunday night, 4 rubbers here this morning from Japan.. enough said about their business. Anyway, tried the TSP Actor 2.15 Red today on my Atacck Scorpion King AC(modified BTY TBS). The rubber is tensioned and has built-in speed glue effect.

Characteristics:
Low throw
very grippy
Soft sponge
The topsheet has a translucent color (between a chinese topsheet and a magna/cermet), very mesmerizing red.
Compared to the Cermet 1.9, this rubber is faster without gluing, and can produce more spin. Fast loop drives are effective, opening loop of underspin produces a low and fast shot. It is not as bouncy as Magna, and therefore controlling serve returns are easier. I'll play with it some more and provide more thoughts on its characteristics. But on my carbon arylate blade, I really couldn't find any faults with this rubber on my first impression. TSP Summit review coming as well, will try that on Saturday =)
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Tried the TSP Summit today. Nothing special really, not for 30+ bucks. Just feels like another chinese rubber. Enough said
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Has anyone used X's F1 21 before? Or any of the other X's rubbers?
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Anyone tried the Brio before?
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Originally posted by agooding2 agooding2 wrote:

TSP inverted rubbers like Triple, Summit and 730 are Chinese topsheets with Japanese sponge.  Sometimes they have a Chinese sponge.

does that means TSP rubbers are above average in weight compared to other japanese rubber ie. butterfly, what i know is that the chinese rubber are much heavier...or

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Only a few TSP rubbers have chinese topsheets. I have the TSP Actor and TSP Real, both Japanese sponge/rubber, and they are about Magna/Cermet weight - 35-40g.
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Which TSP rubber similar to Sriver. I wanna buy a new rubber for me before I'm going to tournament.
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Adib, Try X's F1 21 or X's F1 V. The 21 sponge is much better for use with speed glue. If you want more spin Try the TRIPLE:

TRIPLE SPIN  hardness 32�-35�

TRIPLE 21 hardness 34�-37�

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ryu seungminfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/07/2006 at 5:04am
tried brio before. speed is ok, about real's speed, but it's spin is not quite enough. great for whacking, good for backhand, if u're playing a fast backhand loops, not for spinny loops.
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Do X's F1 21 and F1 V have a low/med/high throw?
Triple spin & 21 have a high throw?
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