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topspinna 
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 Topic: USATT age event cutoff is unfairPosted: 04/06/2024 at 12:41am |
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USATT age events require you to be under that age as of Dec 31 of the previous year. For instance, to play in U11 in 2024 you must be born on or after January 1, 2013 (must be Under 11 As of December 31, 2023) So if you are born on December 31 2012, you can't play Under 11 this ENTIRE year - at any of the events. On the other hand if you are born a day later on January 1, 2013 you get to play. This feels unfair to those born later in a calendar year. Is this how it works with WTT and worldwide? Have they considered other solutions? I heard tennis uses two cutoffs per year so the advantage is never more than 6 months - a lot fairer - 6 >>> 12 months and should not be that hard to manage? |
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Posted: 04/06/2024 at 10:26am |
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The ITTF follows the same standard and I get the unfairness. I don't think it is the end of the world though but I might not be empathetic enough.
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Posted: 04/06/2024 at 6:02pm |
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It's unfair and it has a significant effect.
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Posted: 04/06/2024 at 7:59pm |
It affects school/life as well but we don't debate that unfairness anything close to as intensely.
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Posted: 04/06/2024 at 10:13pm |
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If age is unfair, how about size and maturity? Would a match between a small immature 10 year old boy and a big mature 10 year old be fair. Age, size and maturity might matter for young kids, but not for older players. As a 79 year old who turns 80 on December 28th I get to play in the over 80's all year.
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PingPongPom
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Posted: 04/06/2024 at 11:12pm |
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Now’s the part where you go and research birthdates of Chinese players and see how many of them have ‘January’ birthdays lol
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Posted: 04/07/2024 at 2:07am |
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Yes, OP's more cutoffs idea is the way to go if it affects too many kids. During the time of their early developnent though, it is not a big deal from my perspective however it might be sometimes a heartbreaker for the kids and that could have terrible consequences in their future as they easily blow things up in their mind (butterfly effect?). Since adding cutoffs is not difficult at all and does not cost any money, it should be done.
Software adjustments might be necessary but I doubt the publishers will increase their prices for the edits, and those who ask to enter the cutoff date as a birthdate have it covered already.
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Posted: 04/07/2024 at 6:38am |
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Is there a reason you can't just be under the age on the date of the event? Is that so freaking complicated? Once you have registered and are part of an association your birthdate is on record. This seems like some kind of asinine holdover from pre-computer days.
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Posted: 04/07/2024 at 2:12pm |
this is so true. Wonder why this is not being pursued, afterall they are able to check ratings for each tournament which is much more complicated and changes all the time. This age issue affects kids big time. I am a parent of a December born and his friend is only 3 months younger but will get to play one extra year in under 11. They both started training around the same time but I feel this is super unfair for my child. A year of time matters a LOT for young kids - mental, physical, emotional development that happens over a year's time is way too much advantage to ignore, especially since it's solvable. I hear the comment that kids with the same age but different maturities is also common. But that's not solvable easily by the sports authority. What will it take to get this fixed? Should we bring together partners of kids to sign a petition? Even adding two cutoffs (one for Nationals one for US Open) will be a starting point. |
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