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Then you should go to some ALC blade. ZLC is not popular among pros but ALC is.
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Originally posted by America America wrote:

i have alc, and this is my main blade- a viscaria. i am experimenting with blades, and am curious how people who used SZLC found the MJ ZLC or IF ZLC. 
Well, I had the opportunity to hit with both, in the same session.
IMO, Viscaria catapults the ball like a proper carbon blade should do. But ZJK ZLC "holds" the ball, making the blade much more linear. Gives more control for sure but you must swing harder to generate speed. It´s definitely not for beginners or lazy players. Even pros must find it too physically demanding because there´s no one playing with it, I believe.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

ZLC is not popular among pros but ALC is.

This is nonsense, many pros use ZLC which is superior to ALC. Other thing is that for Hurricane rubber ALC blade suits better.


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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

ZLC is not popular among pros but ALC is.

This is nonsense, many pros use ZLC which is superior to ALC. Other thing is that for Hurricane rubber ALC blade suits better.
Yes, this is true. I meant the Zhang Jike ZLC is not popular among pros.
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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

ZLC is not popular among pros but ALC is.

This is nonsense, many pros use ZLC which is superior to ALC. Other thing is that for Hurricane rubber ALC blade suits better.
He's right
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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

ZLC is not popular among pros but ALC is.

This is nonsense, many pros use ZLC which is superior to ALC. Other thing is that for Hurricane rubber ALC blade suits better.

Superior how? Far more pros use ALC based blades. How does ALC suit hurricane better?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/29/2019 at 9:49am
not to hijack the thread, actually it might answer the OP's question - how is ZLC different from SZLC?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tt Gold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/29/2019 at 10:02am
Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by America America wrote:

i have alc, and this is my main blade- a viscaria. i am experimenting with blades, and am curious how people who used SZLC found the MJ ZLC or IF ZLC. 
Well, I had the opportunity to hit with both, in the same session.
IMO, Viscaria catapults the ball like a proper carbon blade should do. But ZJK ZLC "holds" the ball, making the blade much more linear. Gives more control for sure but you must swing harder to generate speed. It´s definitely not for beginners or lazy players. Even pros must find it too physically demanding because there´s no one playing with it, I believe.
but pros play with allwood blades, which take even more effort. Doesn't make sense.
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Originally posted by America America wrote:

Hello, if i did not like the feel of the ZJK SZLC blade, how likely would it be that i wouldnt like the feel of a IF ZLC or MJ ZLC blade? I also tried the TB ZLC and did not like it... Is it possible to speculate? If not, would like to hear what you guys think, or have experienced.


Super ZLC is a more refined and powerful variant of the ZLC. If you did not like that then chances are that you won't like other ZLCs too. ZLCs are known to be stiff once you engage them completely. I had IF ZLC for a long time and I can tell you that it will bottom out even the hardest of rubbers when you go all in for a shot if you use the same technique that you use on an ALC blade. If you are more comfortable using ALC, then stick with ALC is what I would say. ALC doesn't become as stiff as ZLC on maximum force contact. 
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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

ZLC is not popular among pros but ALC is.

This is nonsense, many pros use ZLC which is superior to ALC. Other thing is that for Hurricane rubber ALC blade suits better.

Superior how? Far more pros use ALC based blades. How does ALC suit hurricane better?
ZLC better dwell time for spin, better speed then ALC. But Viscaria and Timo Boll ALC suits DHS Hurricane more and brush loop is better with ALC blades. After all it depends what you like more and what suit better for your game.
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I don't know any pro regionally who uses SZLC and actually I'm not sure I know any pro in general who does.
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i'd definitely like to know the differences between SZLC and ZLC also.

I wonder in a custom setup how SZLC might pair with a lively wood like hinoki/cypress...?

side note:
(As i know world #28 Lin Yun-Ju used Super ZLC last year.  Also junior Adriana Diaz as well.)
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From some other thread:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Added back Filip.

Girls:
Adriana Diaz: ZJK-SZLC
Crystal Wang: ZJK-SZLC (prior, she used ZJK-ZLC. Prior to that, she used MJ-ZLC)
Anqi Luo: ZJK-SZLC
Jianqi Zheng: Amultart ZLC
Yadira Silva: IF-ZLC
Rachel Sung: MJ-ZLC
Mo Zhang: ZJK-SZLC

Boys:
Jack Wang: TB-ZLC
Nikhil Kumar: ZJK-ZLC
Victor Liu: ZJK-SZLC
Brian Afanador: IF-ZLC
Daniel Gonzalez: IF-ZLC
Alexander BU: IF-ZLC
Filip Ilijevski: MJ-ZLC

Just watching the 2018 Youth Olympic Game quarterfinals.

So far, I've seen 4 players (playing non-tacky rubbers) in this round use these ZLC fibers:

  1. Archana Kamath - ZJK-SZLC
  2. Lin Yun-Ju - ZJK-SZLC
  3. Adriana Diaz - ZJK-SZLC
  4. Ioannis Sgouropoulos - MJ-SZLC

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I played with ZJK SZLC about two years and from one month I play with MJ ZLC old model. For me Mizu has more control and create more spin than SZLC. Also has a little lower speed, is more elastic and I can play better with Mizu. I play with T05 max both sides.
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I used Timo boll spirit before, so basically ALC. Now i play with ZLC. It feels harder, the ball is more direct and you get an lower arc. So maybe not the best choice if you play further from the table. 
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Originally posted by America America wrote:

Hello, if i did not like the feel of the ZJK SZLC blade, how likely would it be that i wouldnt like the feel of a IF ZLC or MJ ZLC blade? I also tried the TB ZLC and did not like it... Is it possible to speculate? If not, would like to hear what you guys think, or have experienced.


Koto veneer feels different than limba (softer).

ZJK SZLC, TB ZLC are koto and IF ZLC, ZJ ZLC & SZLC, Freitas ALC are limba.  I hit with TB ZLC and it felt a lot harder than the MJ ZLC.

I have the MJ ZLC both new & old version, MJ SZLC & Freitas ALC.  I love the feel of these blades.  To me the MJ SZLC is a little too fast, the Freitas is a little too slow, but the MJ ZLC is perfect.  Perfect speed, feel, dwell, spin & control.  The Freitas ALC has very good control & feel. But the ZLC has more power than ALC when you hit hard.  

Liam Pitcher used Viscaria before and switched to MJ ZLC last year; I would love to hear his comment about the switch.


Edited by Humble Bear - 01/30/2019 at 6:23pm
ZJK ALC, MJ SZLC, Viscaria
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