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    Posted: 04/18/2011 at 3:48am

Found a video from a year ago, so I decided to make a before & after .  any better ? ......Dead

Before .........
(one year ago)



After ..................



Edited by razortt - 04/18/2011 at 3:53am
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Much better. The backswing shortened, the footwork is more pivotal rather than side to side and the bat finishes more foreward. Grats.

Things to improve on:
- The finishing position of the racquet keeps changing. This isn't that of a biggie but in the begginning of the second vid it looked much cleaner than the loops at the end. The Cleaner loops are pre 0:17 secs.
- Now that your form is good, you could maybe try to accelerate more on contact. This will give you more grip, thus more control, and more curve on your loops.

Good work.


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Notice that some times you end close and some times opened with the face of the blade.  Those differences are old habits coming back.  Keep practicing!  Good work.

At the same time, you can try hitting a bit harder.
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Originally posted by rupertgriffin rupertgriffin wrote:

Much better. The backswing shortened, the footwork is more pivotal rather than side to side and the bat finishes more foreward. Grats.

Things to improve on:
- The finishing position of the racquet keeps changing. This isn't that of a biggie but in the begginning of the second vid it looked much cleaner than the loops at the end. The Cleaner loops are pre 0:17 secs.
- Now that your form is good, you could maybe try to accelerate more on contact. This will give you more grip, thus more control, and more curve on your loops.

Good work.

Good eyes on catching, after the 0:17, i was just trying to be more "snappy" on the shots, don't look quite right. Good catch.
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Originally posted by ohhgourami ohhgourami wrote:

Notice that some times you end close and some times opened with the face of the blade.  Those differences are old habits coming back.  Keep practicing!  Good work.

At the same time, you can try hitting a bit harder.


Its so true, the old habits are trying to come back so I had to conciously reminding myself not to do that. Good eyes too!!! Thanks.
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It's probably harder to get good traction on carpet (I think its carpet??)  than on a wood floor. LOL


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after : the elliptical recovery is close to perfect and the weight transfer between legs is just like the book says, giving the hips rotation that makes the upper body get into play.

Above all I can tell your whole body is much more fluid. You are like a dancer: very relax and powerful.

So this is the base of the FH loop and you can advertise it as good stuff IMO.
Next is increasing speed and keeping the same good form.

If I absolutely have to be critic I'd say to add a bit of a forearm snap for additional control

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Yes floor is carpeted :). I will try to shoot another clip with faster stroke.
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Two quite nice examples of a forehand DRIVE

but I wouldn't describe either of them as LOOPS because they dont have much spin.
I think your heading would be a bit confusing for noobies

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If you add a little more forearm snap to your form in the second video, you'll be golden.  Also, consider benign your knees a little more.

The fundamentals are good, however.

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Control of your body in the second video is much improved! Very loose and relaxed. Try to control the angle of your stroke, it changes throughout the whole stroke. Once you backswing, try to stick to one blade angle and stroke the ball. 
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tbh the first video, your stroke wasn't bad at all.  the second one is very good as well.

however, judging from your second video alone, a lot of people have a great stroke when they are hitting at that speed.  Try adding power into your strokes, more spin and then see if you can still control your stroke.  that's where i see most ppl mess up, when they start trying to add power + spin and they can't do it without messing their stroke up.

basically the weight transfer and your footwork is hard to master thats all
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Nope ,  the first video is better than second IMO. More fluid motion, more rounded movements , more body put into the strike . 
The second video has snappy , robotic motions . More like a fast attack short pips player.

I could say before you were like Kong, Waldner style.

After - Jiang Jialiang, Liu Guoliang style.


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2nd one is better definitely. your wrist drops too much. the arm should be relaxed, but not the wrist as much. it shouldn't be hanging bent but at most parallel to your arm. (the way you did in the beginning is good). it will raise the consistency of your shots. i couldn't see the catch net but i'm pretty sure the shots where you bent your wrist too much dropped earlier. then you compensated by using more power. 

it isn't correct there's no spin. those are low arc topspin loops.  and some shots in the 2nd had higher spin than the first. 
the ones where you finish with the racket pointing up are better in general. more closed racket face is for vs strong topspin. they tend to drop lower b/c your angle is lower. i would practice generating your own power during training.


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Thanks guys. I know I didn't add a lot of power yet, because the form tend to deform if too much power is added. Will try to add another after video (version 2) in a few months with spin and power. Thanks for your encouragement!
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not sure without more observation...
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I like small arm swing better in your after clip. I assume you are using grippy rubbers for your forehand, so I think you can open your paddle a little, hit the ball into the sponge and then snap your forearm with some acceleration to control the arc. You need more forward motion, ripping the ball at top of the bounce or a little before the top. Please see this clip on Timo's forehand. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFl275tqIE&playnext=1&list=PL4B27F0A58E5EFCB3.
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