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Piri
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Posted: 02/20/2013 at 2:00pm |
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Hi guys!
This is a video of me and one of my club friends playing last night, I wonder if you could give me some tips on how to improve my game. Also I'd like to know which do you guys think would be my USA ratings! Im the one with the Red Boll shirt, this is the first time we record a game the nerves are shown on many mistakes hahahahahahaa Thanks guys! |
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jrscatman
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Don't stay on you heels, stay on balls of your feet - try to move forward on contact. Also, I would advise to watch the Brian Pace video on timing the strokes.
Funny you appear to be higher level player than I am - yet I am giving you advice - actually I am just telling you the stuff I don't do!
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Piri
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Players usually have a higher lever than their coach, knowledge and game play are two different aspects of the game! Thank you very much for your comment I'll appreciate it jrscatman !
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The Shakehander
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In a America you'll be rated a "pro" :) LOL
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Piri
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Hahahahah i mean the USATT rating haha the 1,500, 2,000 etc hahaha I have always wonder which level I am!
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cmetsbeltran15
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I'd say about 1700
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benfb
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We've already proven from those guess the rating threads how hard it is to guess. Still, I'd say 1700 is way low. His serves, strokes, service return and footwork are a heck of a lot better than any 1700 players I've seen, including Nationals and the Baltimore Teams. 1900? 2000? Hard to guess without seeing other videos.
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Any 1900+ I know would have a field day with those soft blocks and counters...
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stiltt
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I wanted to say solid 1800 because a 1900/2000 player will attack those quite high serves, be better at the short game and block those loops consistently so if you get a win against a player your style who is 1900-2000 it will be 1 out of 5 or 6 matches, if that; more rarely in a rated tourney for sure.
Solid 1800 player means average club player who knows all strokes, read all spins but does not play enough to be super consistent and so will do many mistakes that he will avoid with more training (playing at least 3 times a week). Often such a player will have easy to return serves (no surprise effect), unsafe return of serves (90% of pushes are too long), 3rd ball attack that can be really good or missed (50/50), ok blocks, nice smashes, poor defense away from the table and mad at himself when missing lol. HEY I described by own game pretty well here . Do you recognize yourself in the description? |
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benfb
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Hmmm... I don't know. I did say judging from a single video is notoriously inaccurate. Still, there's no way they're under 1700. The strokes are fundamentally sound, and I could show you a long list of players up to 1900 with bad fundaments. Their footwork isn't great but they do move and they usually keep their balance, which puts them ahead of most players under 1800. I got the feeling that a certain amount of what they did was because they were so familiar with each other's style. Why work too hard on your serves when the other guy knows them so well anyway?
You have more respect for the 1900 players than I do. I think you need to look at 2050+ to see more reliable technique. So I'll go with 1850-1900 for these guys.
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smackman
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Cool video but all too nice, get stuck in man, I think you have potential to play alot harder
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tomkat22
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1700-1900. Shouldn't you be on the baseball diamond? Dozens and dozens of great baseball players have come from the Dominican Republic.
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Piri
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Edited by Piri - 02/23/2013 at 12:25pm |
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Piri
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Yeah, actually I think we are the country who exports the biggest number of major league baseball, hopefully it will be shown in the upcoming baseball classic! (not like the last 2 tournaments hahaha)
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LoopsALot
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I'd say 1639
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Not gunna get into the rating by video thing at this point.
I can say two things that will immensly improve your playing and forum level if you execute them. 1. Do not hit so far in front of your body. It is out of your effective strike zone and you lose a lot of control doing that. 2. Continue to wear cool-looking proper TT clothing and make moar vids for the forum.
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Whang
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I was actually gonna comment on the serves...sometimes it feels as if you are serving just for the heck of serving cause as benfb said, you know each other's serves so well anyway... But I think that you still should give it your all when serving, even if the player knows it too well already. You MIGHT carry that relaxed habit even against others subconsciously. Besides, every serve is an opportunity to practice your serves. Try a little variation, etc etc. Just my two cents :) |
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Piri
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Awesome advice, specially number 2 hahahahahahahahah
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Piri
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This is something I need to work on, even tough he knows my services and all, I have a tendency to leave long and high serves which he attacks and wins a lot of points. |
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mickd
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Btw, nice round play from both of you. I think you're both better than I am.
What I would suggest is to try and convert more of those balls into winners. Maybe do some third ball drills where you both take turns serving as best as you can, and trying to convert them into winners. Also try and hit the ball closer to your bodies. I've been told by a lot of people at my local club that I need to wait longer before hitting the ball to avoid reaching. Good luck! EDIT: Sorry, I didn't realise this thread was 2 years old. Hopefully my advice will still help others who may have a similar game to the OP.
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takethat
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Planning a trip to Puerto Plata, (city) is there lots of clubs, will spend about a month at least
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APW46
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Sorry, I completely disagree, it is good to strike the ball well in front of the body on both wings, I constantly coach it. |
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jrscatman
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When hitting in front of the body - is there grip modification from the standard grips taught in TT?
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Tinykin
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You + every competent coach. It's a basic for advanced play. |
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Tk5
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Yes you always want to catch the ball in front of your body especially on fh. If you contact the ball to the side of the body you are losing so much quality in your shot because you are likely getting the ball on its decline, not getting a full swing and giving your opponent much more time. You are also losing a lot of control by contacting to the side of the body. This is just proper technique so of course there is no grip modification necessary.
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Tk5
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It is really hard to guess the ratings based on a video because you can't really tell the quality of their shots. However, if I were to take a guess I would say they most resemble players at the 1700-1800 level.
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APW46
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Yes, exactly right.
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Then wrist needs to be cocked back on the FH. In the video OP, has traditional grip with straight wrist. In this case, he can only hit comfortably on his side. To make contact in front of him, I think he would have to lay his wrist back or use a different forehand specific grip. Unless there is another way to do this I'm missing. Grip can limit/expand the versatility in a stroke, but does not affect the striking point of the ball in relation to the body to such a degree that a player can't use his wrist. The wrist flexes through 360 degrees and this allows a smooth action through the plain of many variations in the f/hand stroke. You don't always have to follow the top Chinese to get the best out of what you are capable of.
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BHman was telling the OP to not hit in front of the body. Not exactly sure what you mean. I don't see a problem with his grip.
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I am suggesting in order to hit in front of his body - grip and wrist position needs to be changed. If you keep a straight wrist on FH, you can only hit the ball comfortably on the side of the body.
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