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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

thanks to everyone here, for all the advice you have given me.  I kind of took it for granted sorry.  I realise now after more video posts that not everyone is capable of such constructive criticism.  Really appreciate it and hope you all one day have enough courage to post some of your game despite the negative direct put downs insensitive members of this forum have recently started posting.


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thanks to everyone here, for all the advice you have given me.  I kind of took it for granted sorry.  I realise now after more video posts that not everyone is capable of such constructive criticism.  Really appreciate it and hope you all one day have enough courage to post some of your game despite the negative direct put downs insensitive members of this forum have recently started posting.
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havent altered t05 for ages now, i just use water glue for it.  solcion however plays so nice with a layer of glue - i glued it probably about 6 hours before i played in that video.  Anyway I also get the same results with him when i zero glue, short pimple effect.  but low level players start to get really close to beating me.
 
For me solcion is best against high level players with tricky serves.  A few people tried my blade with it and ordered some - they said they could just put the ball where ever they wanted.  Me however my arm is still recovering from my shoulder injury.  I am still playing but use my fh even less than before because of it. 
 
I will post a video really soon of me playing injured soon against the Brisbane Table Tennis centre manager known here as "fruit loop"
 
I mostly let him attack as I made the video for him to see his game and my arm hurts every stroke I take.
 
Thanks Silvalis - I really control Jesse with a slow well placed game.
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boz did you boost your tenergy and solcion, or do anything to them?
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Your recovery and backhand looks like it's improved a fair bit Boz.
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Originally posted by shaks shaks wrote:

sorry to burst your bubble if any..usatt 1700 to 1800 is the rating of bob in the video ..in california and new york that is. A usatt 2100 inverted player in my opinion will have better serves , better footwork and more aggressive loops. 


there's a rating differential in the USATT system that is skewed at high player concentrations.

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USATT 1700 in NY or CA is approx USATT1900 in the midwest or southeast
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@ bozbrisvegas what blade do you use for the solcion? 
 
I have a couple of solcion rubbers in my arsenal but haven't tried yet. 
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Originally posted by shaks shaks wrote:

sorry to burst your bubble if any..usatt 1700 to 1800 is the rating of bob in the video ..in california and new york that is. A usatt 2100 inverted player in my opinion will have better serves , better footwork and more aggressive loops. 


I don't beleive that's true at all. I've seen alot of 2000 rated US players and they are not at a very high level, I'm telling you for sure the club champion of a capital city like Brisbane will mop a us 2000 player 11-2


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Originally posted by bozbrisvegas bozbrisvegas wrote:

No bubble bursted, Im a 1700s player -

 
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ok dude...i hope you improve and get better everyday. good luck.
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No bubble bursted, Im a 1700s player -

 
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sorry to burst your bubble if any..usatt 1700 to 1800 is the rating of bob in the video ..in california and new york that is. A usatt 2100 inverted player in my opinion will have better serves , better footwork and more aggressive loops. 
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I had another few hours of "match practise" - Im the only person he knows at my level that doesnt like to train or warm up for long and do routines.  He just says you ready?
 
Results were the same as in this video.  About 15 games with nothing in it. 
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He misses a pretty fat third-ball at around 5:47 that I think illustrates my point.  Normally a guy like this would leave you with a welt for one of those. 

Hitting something flatter or shorter that hugs the net and/or table seems to work for me against this style.  You are clearly a better spinner, so if you force him to open up with a weaker loop I think you can easily overwhelm him with your counterloop. 

Great match and I look forward to your videos.  You and your opponents are where I hope to be soon.  BTW, longtime golfers like myself know that you never play on the perfect day when you feel great because then you have no excuses.  You can always say that taking out the barriers caused you to lose the match points.  Ouch 

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I'm at a much lower level than you, but I humbly disagree with the strategy of opening up at all costs.  I am a both a hitter and a spinner, so I can appreciate the merits of both of your styles. 

I am trying to teach myself to resist the temptation to always hit the spinny opening shot.  If you must hit a shot that bounces proportionally more vertical than it does horizontal (in relation to your normal loop attack), you had better place it very well against a hitter.  I don't disagree that opening up did seem to keep your opponent on the defensive.  However, I would mix it up and flatten it out some to avoid the predictability.

I play at lunch most every day with a guy who is a consistently powerful flat hitter (especially on the FH) who reminds me of your opponent.  I have found that when I try to attack and open up at all costs with topspin, he punishes the slow spinny loops (he even grunts for power) and he will also flatten out his shots to entice me to hit the slow spinny loops.  I notice that where it seemed like you had to start looping at all costs you ate a few as I often do. 
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Hey, Boz.  I can't see it on this video, but I noticed on one of your videos that when serving you often scoops the ball off the table and toss it without pausing.  I just thought you should be aware that someone could call you on that point.
your right, I realised this too once making videos that my service is the right height always but Im not holoding it in my palm.  Nobody has ever bothered to question me on it for the most obvious reason that part of the rule is irrelevant when I toss the ball so high.
 
Anyway shouldnt be on the net should be driving down to the Gold Coast right now for a tournament...
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Hey, Boz.  I can't see it on this video, but I noticed on one of your videos that when serving you often scoops the ball off the table and toss it without pausing.  I just thought you should be aware that someone could call you on that point.
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interesting,
 
I think who ever open usually wins, and its not just my club, look at the top 10 in the world!  The chinese are best because they open first.
 
If I push his low spin serves its hard to keep them short if I try to push them they ll just pop up, I only have one choice and thats to spin it up and put the pressure on first always.  If I dont then he will pulverise me with his open, and watching the video doesnt seem that fast too me as having that ball flying toward you, I can barely see the ball and just guess where I think it might be when his attack hits the table most people miss it about 80% of the time.
 
you can push and chop and fish with etc with slower players but here its kill or be killed.
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It's interesting, it seems all you guys up there play this top spin flick to return service and your into it, faced paced rallies. All around my area here in Vic most people and myself included return service with a short chop or one with as much backspin on it as possible, then depending on how successful you were you either loop the next ball for a winner or return the other guys loop and step back and return them defence style until he hopefully misses one or you hit something big from a long range and get a winner or make it back to the table and start looping again. We almost all play with Chinese rubbers, I wonder if that has changed the way the local game has evolved. It's definalty more varied in speed (slow game then power loop and kills) rather than constant fast hitting like you guys play

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Nicefrog, I tried to do those shots a few times, and I usually like to try to rip them off from the first point of their first serve.  Exactly for the reason you said, one of the coaches up here in Brisbane said to me that you should try to scare them in particular from the begining as you say unsettle them and worry them.  And yet I tried against him but I lost a few points going down that way.  I usually try to receive forehand sometimes and backhand sometimes, to put them off a bit.  But when they are not going on stick with what works.
 
 
I am sticking with solcion regardless if its not penetrating.  Its got everything I loved about Bryce with everything I didnt like about it perfected.
 
Bryce always had this kind of sometimes spin sometimes zero spin effect on my looping.  It had nice fling catapult feeling in the thick topsheet.  And yet the sponge made it have pretty much only one gear, fast, but the solcion has all that but is much slower which suits me more than I have ever realised before, I make lots of points now by people taking a few steps back only to realise i can do a super slow shot and then a much faster shot.  The slower paced rallies give me time to do my shots.  They still often block the same as if I was using a fast rubber but the blocks that come to me are so much easier to reloop and attack harder with my forehand.
 
anyway slightly going of topic here - I have a thread about my setup already.. lol
 
ps funny how solcion is almost the same price as tenergy.  It makes me want to cry paying so much for a slower less spinny rubber....
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Nice one Boz, you see that winner you hit at 4:52 off his serve. I'd like to see you play more like that 2nd and 3rd ball attack from the forehand. You have a great backhand but against this guy they aren't penetrating enough to mess him up. A big forehand early on it the point would be much more unsettling. He serves pretty fast and long you could in theory loop every one of his serves if you wanted to

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I've tried to get used to a neutral grip and I try to do a bit of routine only using that but honestly my  shots are always just neutral.  I will continue practising it and my 2 other grips.  I know most people will say thats wrong but I have gotten this far playing this way without a coach and believe I can go further.  Winning by training is not the focus of my life.  Improving gradually enjoying playing games is.
 
I've been to a few group training session these couple of weeks and have philosophical problems with routines which tell me to hit easy balls to their strong points so they can practise.  I would prefer to constantly aim away and at there middle with as much variety and power / spin as possible constantly so there is absolutely no other thought in my mind when the situation arises.  I don't want to be a switch it on and off player.  I just want to do the right shot at every moment of play and that includes "unimportant" games besides I am here to enjoy life now and not live for a future which may or may not come.
 
Shoot me down if you will but I am against half the training styles I have seen.
 
these are good:
Multi ball
short return and then open
long return and open
chasing the elbow
anything where the coach feeds you
 
But I hate to aim to where the person is waiting and expecting.  I prefer to try to read body weight shifting and keep hitting their elbow until I can full power and the elbow is not a fixed point.
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Maybe find a neutral grip? I figured out that I had to find one and found that my level suffered for the period of time that I was adjusting. My crossover is way better now though.
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Finally I don't think anyone mentioned this but I had 3 match points against him.  1 of them I trully just was caught off by his viscous 3rd ball the second one really *&^% off since the night was almost over the table next to ours had stopped playing and ball went bouncing into the court next to me suprising me by how close it sounded coming to the barrier near me, it threw my concentration and I returned poorly.  The third ( I think this is the order anyway) I was sure I won the match and did my good shot or victory fist only to see the ball roll over the net and land on the inside corner and fall off the table - this one trully broke me!
 
Regardless I fought tooth and nail guys.  And the last thing nobody mentioned was something that make me *&^ myself lauging is what my team mate said right at the end.  "you were in that up to your n*ts"
 
I absolutely love that phrase, how dam Australian can you get?
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Originally posted by debraj debraj wrote:

are you sure that's the best guy you have in your club ? :)
Seref who I have got on tape is quite a bit higher than Jesse in my opinion, especially in experience of high level tournament play.  Seref has taken this season off, so Jesse was in 2nd place making him now the no.1..  I think..
 
His form hasnt been good as he told me, and he thought it would be good to watch this videoed so he could try to figure what has broken down in his game...
 
I know what has broken, its his fire and counterlooping.  He seemed like he didnt trust himself enough to beat me with a counter loop, instead opting for trying control me with blocks before he would go for it himself...  I dont know - but the thing is he can totally blitz players which I cant get anywhere near and yet I have had enough practise sessions with him so have a feeling for his low spin level style of play and on top of that I went into this match with a very very strong and strict strategy: "attack first regardless".
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Originally posted by joubtt joubtt wrote:

Tape your practice sessions so you can clean up (ex. better positioning after each shot); I like your intent.  He's lucky that you allowed him some chances (you backed off).  Be more assertive in blocking & countering ( he actually popped up so many of your serves that I'm surprised you did not smash).  

Your opponent's technique is blah; his strength is determination period.

I think you're around 2100 U.S rating.
I have no idea about how your rating system works but here I
is my whole tournament life of tt starting only a few years ago (ranked too high at the time since it was starting point)
 
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Originally posted by theman theman wrote:

i hear a tocking noise on his bh, pips?
no just primorac carbon like half the players in the top division.
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Originally posted by rupertgriffin rupertgriffin wrote:

Nice game.
It looks like you're backhand orientated because of your grip. Does your thumb stick up? Do you change grip to do forehand? This might be why you lollipop block with your forehand and have trouble crossing over. I also found with this grip that its hard to do forehands down the line. In this video there wasn't many of them.
I also realised when you get into backhand rallies your right foot creeps in front but you seem to cope when it comes to your forehand though.

There's my best attempt at constructive feedback.
totally agree
 
perfectly analysed !
 
I know this and I went all out heavy with the bh grip (I actually havent done this for a long time) but hell when a player continually goes to my backhand for serves and keeps blocking there thats what happns, if I misread and its on fh usually first fh is weak as.. 
 
when I have time or read it to go to fh then I change to forehand looping grip.   I am currently thinking I want to spend time training receiving with the "wrong grip" ie practise my strong bh grip against wide fh serves and vice versa.
 
usually what I do is play a guessing game.  Receive one with fh grip next with bh grip another inbetween grip.  I try to roll every shot except the ones which are on the opposite side of my grip, which are the ones which a push comes out.  This all in a strange bad way comes out to confuse my opponents who are mostly well trained and used to reading well trained players.  I am a bit of an anomoly.. (is that how you spell it?
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Originally posted by Heimdallalso Heimdallalso wrote:

Nobody... & I mean nobody pops their collar like you bozbrisvegas! Wink
I feel better. I've been meaning to tell you that for weeks & weeks.

Enjoyed the vid.

For me, soft sponges are the way to go.
Seems to be working for your BH too.
Are you relaxed in your body or somewhat tight when you play?
I want you to have even more effectiveness/success.
Hit with/like a whip!!!

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Atleast there something "cool" about the way I look...  I'm shocked at how much weight I have been putting on since my girlfriend started living with me over 2 years now.  She feeds me like a pig, only with really yummy food all the time!...
 
Oh one of my students did a presentation on the topic of wearing your collar up as being cool...  it was persuasive presentation and it must have worked... lol
 
Well I had 3 beers before I played that so I was actually relaxed as I'm going to get, and as for the whipping thing - I felt just that day something really click into place within my stroke for backhand in particular.  Something very familiar about my stroke a bit like de ja vu.  I felt like I had body memory of something come back to what it used to be a final perfect unision with the weight of the setup at 170g, perfectly balanced.   The forehand also is there just not in the wide receive. 
 
 
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