haifu oil/glue

I don't see any substantial difference betwee BW2 factory tuned and the old H2 commercial. Still, I am not sure cagaragesales sent me the factory tuned version of BW2, because what I got doesn't seem to have the attributes of the latter. Probably he, out of great compassion for all living beings, has sent me the untuned version thus saving my life from the clutches of the lethal weapon that is VOC glue.

Haifu Oil/Tuner riddle solved....

Below is a review I did a while back originally located in this thread.....

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The terms "Haifu Tuner" and "Haifu Oil" are a little bit confusing. And we may never find out what exact product members of the Chinese national team have been using on their equipment as a replacement for speed glue.

However, I have tested both the Haifu preglue adhesive and the Haifu VOC free glue. And I am not a reseller of these products...

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Haifu preglue adhesive...



Milky white, dries clear. This is basically a water-based glue. You can easily peel it off your fingers after it dries. It dries thin and does not dome the rubber. Like other water based glues (and paints), it dries fast. Only a slight tensioning of the rubber. There may be a slight increase in the speed of the rubber after using this product, but not anything close to going from an untuned BWII to a "factory tuned" BWII. (This is after 15 coats.) And the slight increase in speed might just be the fact that a BWII rubber stuck to a blade is faster than a BWII rubber with a dead layer of factory tuning stuck to the blade. And there is no sound.

IMO this is just a water-based glue. Nothing more.

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Haifu VOC free glue...



This is a brownish colored, thick liquid. I have no idea what this is made from but it is very oily. You will notice this if you get any on the side of the bottle or on your hands. Within moments of applying this, the rubber will dome about 1 inch. It takes 24 hours to dry enough to add another coat. (Although using a heater might speed this up.) Once dry, it is shiny and slightly sticky... So there's definitely some adhesive properties in it. After spending 4 days to apply 3 coats, I glued the rubber back on and I had to cut the rubber back down to fit the blade. (Since the rubber expanded?) The rubber had a noticeable click just by bouncing the ball, and when I played there was a speed glue feel and increased power. The famous BWII "crack" sound was back, but not as noticeable as an original factory tuned rubber.

I think this is what has been referred to as "Haifu Oil". Its oily, and its like speed glue. It does alter the properties of the rubber, but as it says on the label, it can pass the ENEZ test. So its illegal but legal at the same time.(?) I don't really care because I'll never be in a tournament that tests equipment. I simply wanted to find out how to return my BWII to its factory tuned state, or at least close to it, and based on my tests (and spending $$$ to find out), I can say this stuff is close.

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Finally, I really like the feeling of the tuned BWII, and I think I'll put some of this VOC free glue on some other rubbers like Sriver EL for fun, but the process is very labor intensive. I don't think I'll be using it as my main setup.

If you want to re-tune your BWII or experiment with a tuner/booster that "can pass the ENEZ" test, buy the haifu VOC-free glue, not the Haifu preglue adhsive. Otherwise stick to Tenergy, speed glue, or the other more common water based boosters  out there.

hmm interesting stuff, so this haifu oil is voc free, but does alter the rubber and u get a speed glue effect.  does the ittf outright ban any rubber thats been altered.  cuz didnt adham say that if it is altered at the factory and the voc fumes or whatever have been safely contained then its ok? sheesh, this stuff is really confusing.

Yeah the brown stuff is an oil for sure because i put some on my blade 1 time and it didnt try at all, you gotta put it on the sponge so it soaks in and it domes the sponge quite a lot after 2-3 layers.

The white stuff is just springy water based glue(i peeled it off one time into a ball and it droped it and it bounced like crazy) and adding more layers of it to your sponge is just like making a thicker sponge thats more bouncy.

What haifu tried to do to get around the no altering the rubber rule was put so much glue on it(white stuff) that the oil(brown stuff) only soaks into the glue(white stuff) thus making the glue tuned(not the rubber), which is connected to the sponge but not actually the sponge.

Unfortunately that did not work, and i think they stopped giving the oil out to the public. I still have some and i use it to bring dead rubbers back to life or to soften hard sponged rubbers.

If it domes there are VOC. So why not use lamp oil that can't be detected? From all what I read in this thread that oil acts just like lamp oil ($4 for 32 oz). I played with a Haifu Whale II (the one black rubber that says Whale Power and has a black sponge --> is that BW2? can you confirm) and after playing without anything (not fast enough) I did apply 9 ml of lamp oil in 2 days and I have to say that's when the rubber started to shine as a looping canon. When I added another 3ml of D-Limonene 2 days later it went into soft rocket mode and I had a nice playable rubber.

cole_ely wrote: can you actually buy haifu oil on the open market, or is it just a mysterious substance that they use for factory tuning and give to the pro's?

http://www.powerpingpong.com/haoiltuprgl1.html

i wonder if the chinese national team players still use the haifu brown oil 

Imago wrote: cole_ely wrote: can you actually buy haifu oil on the open market, or is it just a mysterious substance that they use for factory tuning and give to the pro's? http://www.powerpingpong.com/haoiltuprgl1.html

That one probably - http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-0e6abb7c6e91d1b772dc95f1e2bc7af8.jhtml?cm_cat=0

I'm about to order it...

thanks.  i ordered from power pp.  Seems like a decent deal for 1000ml. Most tuners you get like 150ml for $25.  I'll probably start offering tuning service again.

cole_ely wrote: thanks.  i ordered from power pp.  Seems like a decent deal for 1000ml. Most tuners you get like 150ml for $25.  I'll probably start offering tuning service again.

Hey Cole! What did you exactly order? And where from did you order it?

cagaragesales wrote: Good Luck. Taobao was 100% out of stock since May 2009 when I was on the search for the brown while I was in China.

Hmmm...
"brown" can be slang for hash ~or~ heroin.
Best avoided, most always.
If not the first (no moral posturing from me)
by all means, the second!
 

cagaragesales wrote: That's not the brown Haifu VOC-Free glue that was banned and no longer produced.

thanks for the clarification cargaragesales, haha it all makes sense now with the whole name-swapping deal

hmm i think thats what "Factory tuned" means right? the ten layers of the glue put on by the machine or something.  i think i read that somewhere...

I'm not looking for more speed.  I can get that by switching blades.  I'm not looking for more spin.  I can get that with a thicker sponge.  I'm looking for that nice click that just gives me a feel I'm addicted to.  Like my rubber is a living organism.