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nicefrog
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After reading your last story I think you are going to use a very hard outer ply, on top of carbon with a softer ply under the carbon :) then another medium/hard ply then the center. I guess with soft glue, hide glue or something it can stay flexible. I like medium speed carbon blades so I think if the handle is a good European size I will buy your next carbon blade to try it. I feel the carbon blades with Hinoki are not so good as the carbon blades with Limba, so maybe the carbon blades with a harder surface than Limba are ever better
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mmerkel
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This is so cool. I like the way you are thinking and how you write about it.
Truly you have your heart in what you are doing for table tennis. Edited by mmerkel - 07/03/2010 at 10:49am |
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Nexy
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I changed the title of this thread.
I think I will keep on writing on this thread, how I think, how I design, and how I study.
This thread will devote itself to show me, myself as a designer of nexy, as a player, and as a person.
I hope you guys can enjoy this thread.
By the way, here I have one more topic.
< CARBON >
This is fantastic material for table tennis blade.
Most people now think they know this quite well.
And also most table tennis blade designers think that way too.
But I don't think so.
I think I have vast ocean to swim through to find still something new, veiled, hidden in the deep water.
Carbon ply was found by butterfly brand, and later on lots of European brand trid to follow it.
But the first carbon blades shown by Butterfly did not attract European market a lot.
European market thought carbon blade is too much bouncy.
So, Donic, Stiga.... started to make soft thin carbon blade.
And some blades were using carbon layer deeper than second layer.
They thought they can neutralize the carbon's too much bouncy character by keeping it deeper.
But that was little bit dull idea I think.
They didn't have to neutralize; if they really want to newtraize, then why they use it?
Rather they had to find how to harmonize it better.
Some brand used balsa to make it light.
But balsa has a kind of hollow feeling, so when you joint it with some other material, then you need to think about how to make up for that hollow feeling.
For normal long pimple our rubber blades, balsa was good material, because they need that hollow feeling. But for others, I think it should be careful.
Carbon is the most attractive material, among all the artificial materials for blades, I think.
It's solid and hard, very good for adding more power onto the ball, plus not very heavy as you might think.
If this can be matched with good wood, then it's perfect.
It can have good vibration, solid feeling, and also pleasant touch.
That's how I made my blade Hannibal.
I think I will try this material with my next version blade.
I will prove how attractvie a carbon layer can be, with my next blade.
Please, European players, don't think little of Carbon layer.
When it is in good harmony, like in hannibal, it can be really good.
You will see.
(Before closing this passage, for an example, I will ask you to picture one blade, with two carbon 9-ply blade. I think with this composition, I can make 5mm, fast and very spinnyy blade. Don't you agreewith me? That blade will be flexible, even though it has two carbon layers. I want to test it as soon as possible.)
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Thanks for the article! It was an immensely interesting and informative read
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Nexy
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From
now on we will take more time editing our posts to reduce grammatical errors.
We will also update and improve our articles and product descriptions in order
to make Nexy a friendlier brand for table tennis lovers! ☺
Common Materials For the Blade
Surface: Hinoki, Limba, and Koto. This topic will be very interesting for members on this forum. I'm not sure how much you will agree with my analysis because it's about more than mechanical calculation. In some ways, this part should be about considering each player's style, e.g., type of swing, what angle is comfortable for a backhand and forehand stroke when looping, how long the ball remains on the blade when making a spinny shot, the impact of the swing movement when generating powerful topspin, ball friction when maximizing a pips-out rubbers' effect, and so on. So, this article will be a general one — please don't expect me to be a fortuneteller for table tennis blades. Ok,
let's start with the "staying moment,” which is the term I use to explain
my thoughts about surface materials. When making a topspin shot, some players
keep the ball on the blade for specific amount of time, which is long enough to
help them generate a massive spin on the ball. Normally for beginners, this
movement goes slightly around, grazing the ball without penetrating deep. The
blade draws a big round circle. But as players become faster and more powerful,
the movement becomes easier. Some players use their wrist when they make a
topspin shot, from backward to forward, not only from downward to upward. If
this movement occurs at a short point of impact, the loops will be more extreme
and difficult for an opponent to return.
When
playing against top players, you will often experience having to return a
faster, spinnier ball than what you normally would encounter. Watching
high-level players play is much different than actually playing them! You will
need to keep your blade tight and be stable when you block because the ball
seems to shove your blade back. And you may be thinking, “Why isn’t my topspin
like this?” “How can I make my topspin this fast and spinny?” And some of you
might have tried to make a faster swing movement, but only to discover that
this is not the practical answer. As previously mentioned, sometimes it's about
wrist movement, arm folding, or other factors. But, I can say one thing for
certain — It's about impact! When you hit the ball with your blade, the blade
is at the highest speed, and the ball needs to be smashed both ways, from down
to up, and also from back to forth. It may seem like too simple of an answer,
but consider what will happens to the ball and rubber when you make that
powerful shot. In that moment, the ball goes into the rubber, from top sheet
into sponge, and finally into the wooden surface. For strong loopers, this
impact happens all the time. They know how to make the ball sink deep even into
wood. So, when you make such a powerful shot, even if you are not looping, you
can still hear the loud sound of the ball's impact on the wooden surface of the
blade. If you don't hear the sound, which normally happens when you smash
without a spinny movement, then it means that you are not effectively doing a
high level shot. Anyway, it's not the most important factor in table tennis. As
far as I know, there are some good players who cannot make this
"bang" sound when they loop, but still they are really powerful and
win many matches.
By
the way, whenever I make a blade, I discriminate the "staying moment"
for general swing movement from the "bang" looping movement. Some
blades can be good for a general swing, but not good for a "bang
impact".
Often,
when you land a bang impact shot on the table, your opponent will not even see
the ball because it is too fast to be recognized. The ball seems to disappear.
The impact generated by this kind of shot distorts the top sheet of the rubber
and also distorts the sponge upon to the blade surface, making a loud BANG!
I
don't want to degrade Chinese blades, but many of their blades are not good for
a bang impact shot. They tend to focus on the feeling and power onto the table
movement, which is about a small, but quick swing. So, they don't believe a
blade has to be powerful with that bang impact shot.
Ok,
now let's get to the point. From my description, you know there are two
different kinds of loops. I will now explain the general differences between
the three most popular materials.
1. General Hardness Hinoki
is normally very soft. It becomes damaged easily, so you need to be careful
about it. Limba is still soft, but harder than Hinoki. Koto is hard and solid.
2.
Feeling I’m
not sure how to express this part, but I will try. Hinoki feels sticky. When
you loop, the ball seems to follow the movement of the wood. Limba feels like
it embraces the ball, but this depends on how thick the Limba is that you use.
Generally, most blade uses thin Limba that is less than 0.7mm, and you will
feel it holds the ball into the center. Koto is hard, and normally we use a
thin ply for the surface. Koto is also heavy, so we don't use it for the center
ply. Generally, blade designers believe that hard surfaces would not be good
for generating a big spin. But recently, they are using Koto in many blades,
because with Koto they can make full use of rubber’s effect. If you use Koto on
the surface, it should be very thin, if not, the blade’s overall feeling will
be too solid, resulting in a dull blade. A thin ply of Koto works like a metal
plate that has a positive effect on the rubber.
Now
we have two factors — Hardness and Feeling. But this cannot be mechanically
simple. For an example, many blades are using Koto on their surfaces, but most
of them use very thin Koto, and in that case, it becomes like a very thin metal
plate, which affects on the ball directly, but also helps the ball go into the
second or center ply. The feeling of those blades also comes from the second
ply, not only from the Koto surface.
Someone
on this forum mentioned that Koto is a soft material, and I think it's because
of this reason. The general feeling of Limba is embracing, but when I used it
thick or doubled the feeling was not too embracing.
And
also Hinoki, when I used very soft ones, the unique feeling became weak, and
the second ply affected on the ball more directly. So, it also depends on the
thickness of the material.
Any
way, if you ask what will be the moderate thickness for them, I think for
Hinoki, it will be from 0.8mm to 1.4mm. For Limba, it will be from 0.3mm~0.7mm.
For Koto, it will be 0.3~0.5mm. This is my personal conclusion.
Ok,
let's move on a little further.
When
I design my Hinoki surface blades, I use high quality Japanese Hinoki. Hinoki
has many grades. If you look into the surface, you will notice that there are
lines. One line represents one year of tree growth. So, if you want to use
Hinoki for a blade, then it has to be at least 200 years old. If not, the width
is not enough to cover the entire surface of the blade. And generally, players
don't like a blade that has several Hinoki fragments. If the line is wide,
there could be two possibilities. That wood is not good. If the mother tree
were young, then the lines would be wider because they are new, and the feeling
is soft and speed is not very fast. Another possibility is that the material
has come from the core part of a big old tree. In that case, the wood is also
soft, and the speed is not very fast. But the prices of these two materials are
much different. If the material is from the core of a very old tree, it's
extremely expensive.
I
use soft Hinoki for all the Nexy blades, and I prefer to use thick plies.
Generally, many Hinoki blades' surface are 0.5mm thick, but I normally use
thicker than that. When using hard Hinoki, 0.5mm will often be ok, but with
soft Hinoki it has to be thicker. If not, the ball will be overly affected by
the second ply, and players will not get the full effect of the Hinoki surface.
Let
me give a practical example. Here are two blades, one is DEXTER and the other
one is HANNIBAL. For DEXTER, my purpose was quite simple. I wanted to make a
5-ply blade, which was faster than a normal carbon blade. So,
I had to make the center ply thick and use fast spurs on the second. But if I
made the blade too fast, then I was worried it would be too bouncy. So, I had
to find a material that made the ball spinny, even though the staying moment of
a ball was very short. In that case, Hinoki was the best choice. This blade was
like an announcement for my brand. Nexy is different. It's a bold brand. And I
wanted to prove it by showing the fastest 5-ply blade, DEXTER.
But
for HANNIBAL, my purpose was quite different. Carbon
has been quite an attractive material for blade construction, but
unfortunately, it often feels too artificial. So, some European makers tried to
use it in the third position, or to use a very thin carbon layer. Some brands
even claim to use it when in fact they do not. For example, they mix the carbon
powder into the glue, and claim it’s a light carbon blade. But in that case,
that carbon glue ply becomes shaken — little by little and eventually changes
the character of the blade. Some makers tried to use only one line carbon,
which meant they didn’t use carbon as one ply. While other makers mixed carbon
layers with other artificial materials. Still, I still find a carbon layer to
be a very attractive material, even with its potential problems. For me, the
biggest problem is not only about feeling. I was more interested in how I can
make it effective for a bang impact swing. As you might have experienced, many
carbon blades are good when you practice basic skills, but in a match, they
don't have good spin and feeling, and they lack power, even though they are fast.
I
began to wonder how I could prolong the staying moment for a fast bang impact
swing, and I discovered the solution. I used very light and resilient wood for
the center ply. And I chose very soft Hinoki for the top ply, but thicker than
most other blades. So, it's approximately 1.3mm thick.
With
these two new factors, I could get very good staying moment needed for a bang
impact shot for HANNIBAL.
Someone
recently asked me what blade would be good for short pips players, and I
recommended HANNIBAL. This blade has a very powerful smash, but it also has
enough staying moment needed for a player who wants to make use of the full
range of pips-out play. I
have one Koto blade, IKARUS, and I'm going to release another, LABYRINTHOS. The
reason I use Koto for these blades is I want to create a greater pips-out's
effect.
Actually,
there could be several different styles of pips-out players. And if I use soft
material, then the staying moment can be longer than Koto. But in that case,
the pips-out effect is also affected by that softness. Most push blockers
prefer OX because that allows for maximum effect. Therefore, you can understand
why I use the hard, solid Koto on the surface. If I use a soft surface, it would
be like I added a thin sponge onto an OX rubber, which reduces the pips effect,
i.e., reversal, wobble, dead ball, disruption, etc.
Regarding
MUSIRO and MILARGE, I use Limba to add more control than other standard blades.
This enabled more stability, even when using long pips rubbers. On the
contrary, I use Koto for IKARUS and LABYRINTHOS, because I want to maximize the
pips-out's effect.
OK,
this was not a short story, but I hope most players have gotten something out
of this passage. Some of my explanation will not be exact with the blade you
have, because it's not that simple. Even if you use the same material, the
effect will likely vary depending on several factors, including the weight of
each material and on the total composition.
I
don't expect you to accept my writing as a decisive conclusion, but rather as a
way to understand your blade better.
Thank
you for reading through this article. Edited by Nexy - 11/05/2015 at 12:55am |
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