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beeray1 
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 Posted: 01/10/2011 at 3:14am |
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my easiest advice is to keep your focus and relax. You get frustrated too easily. I feel like the reason I've gotten quite a bit better recently is just that- I don't get mad at myself as much and i try to keep a positive attitude. So what if you miss a lot in a row or something- that's why you're practicing.
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Posted: 01/10/2011 at 2:34am |
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The elbow looks a little high and it seems like you are leaning to far to one side. But just by watching the first few hits, I can say it looks a lot better. Good work!
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ohhgourami
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Posted: 01/10/2011 at 1:04am |
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New video added!!! more to come!!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KuyfaraN0 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6_kdT4FATM |
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ohhgourami
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Posted: 01/07/2011 at 2:20pm |
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Thanks for all the comments and advice guys. I'm doing a roadtrip in a bit from SD to LA to get coaching
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Posted: 01/07/2011 at 3:45am |
That is one of the most important epiphanies I had recently!!! Being relaxed gives me more time to react, more time to prepare my stroke, more time to move. We can all preform perfect strokes when we're practicing, but why can we do that in a game?!?! Because we're not relaxed!!! Being relaxed is a tremendous concept to understand!!! (At least for me)
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Bty Jun Mizutani ZLC
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BH-Man
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Posted: 01/06/2011 at 11:59pm |
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Imagine someone used a TT bat and sharply struck your hitting hand wrist real hard. That would make you hold the arm/hand closer to the body with a 90 degree bend in the elbow, plus you would be very loose there. Loosly insert TT bat into hand and you are back in business.
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tpgh2k
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Posted: 01/06/2011 at 10:47pm |
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just a thought from way long ago....you should lift weights until your arms are about to fall off. then try to fh loop. voila you will have the relaxed arm and almost-perfect swing =D
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Posted: 01/06/2011 at 9:38pm |
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I like everything about your game because there is nothing fundamentaly wrong and it will take so little to make everything lethal in the next stages of your progression. The wrist snap of the bh drive shows that you have there a lot of confidence in that stroke so you just let it go and you are very relax about it. If you can find a way to apply the same relaxation to the fh loop then it will be so faster and spinier.
It is hard to be relax when you want to do something perfect as I sense you do.
"Relax" is such an important word in TT. It drives all of my tt thinking lol. By not being relax we lose power at every stage of the stroke (kness, hips, torso, shoulder...) and we appear a bit like Mr. Tin Man (you do not!).
The best way I find to be relax is to focus more on recovery: when I focus to have a better elliptical recovery between the end of stroke and the end of back swing, relaxation comes as a side effect as there is no way we can enter a nice rhythmic groove in the stroke/recovery combo if we are not relax.
The beauty of it is when we can do it we can feel it in all your body and mind and it feels really good: that's where we learn, build muscle memory and that's the speed at which we should stay until we can do it faster and still keep the ball on the table.
Thanks for showing videos of your training.
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Posted: 01/06/2011 at 2:12pm |
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Your BH is awesome, i dream to have such a nice BH.
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Jeff(ATTC)
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 7:49am |
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It looks like your arm is doing most of the work in your loop. If you use more legs and hips the stroke will look a little more natural.
If I may suggest- when you loop, start your loop motion with your legs and hips, use your legs and hips to carry your arm towards the ball (at this point in the loop, the arm is relaxed and moves with the torso and shoulders); when the ball is in the strike zone use your forearm like you are going to yank a dumbbell towards your head, and don't force your arm to stop after you finish contact with the ball. Your loop looks good, keep up the hard work. It's great how you have good coach to work with!
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Hookshot
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 3:56am |
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If you watch the right shoulder, it is moving down, then up. Not forwards. I would slow everything down untill the stroke is better. You do not have to hit hard to learn loops. It is eaiser to spot things at a slower pace. Multiball is another option. Not fast multiball, hit one and the coach looks for things like stroke start and end position, feet position. body rotation. Make correction and then another ball. Repeat. When correct, then regular multiball. When that is working, then go to countering or looping blocks. If you don't make 10 or 20 in a row, you are going to fast.
This is the method I use for students. The reason for starting with one ball at a time is to give me the time to watch the students stroke. If I have to block the ball back, I can not see everything that is happening. Once the stroke is correct, it is not hard to make 20 or more in a row.  |
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 3:27am |
Actually, given that you have been playing for over 2 years, a bit of brushing wouldn't be a bad thing. Your current loops are really more like quasi-counterhits than loops: not much spin and little dip. Trying to get more spin on your loop could also help your to get more snap/speed through your shot. Your BH technique is looking good tho - just keep practicing and it will become very solid I suspect.
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ohhgourami
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 3:26am |
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@roundrobin Yes, Jim is a possible coach but he charges a much higher
price than Steven. Steven is also a much more experienced coach who can
speak english too. I guess I can improve on my mandarin... Where does
Ben Johnson play? Do you know any coaches that are located in the San
Diego area that can coach Chinese forehand and charge a decent price?
@rodewan I play at Grace Lin TTC which is located in South El Monte. paddleattack.com is their site. Although it is not the biggest club, I feel it has the best environment for playing. Steven and great playing environment plus the friendly people keep me from going anywhere else to play in LA. |
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rodewan
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 2:38am |
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where exactly do you play? your club looks awesome
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roundrobin
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 2:26am |
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The only problem is that Steven is moving away to Rockville so I am pretty much left with no coach for now. A coach as good as him will be very hard to come by.  *If you are looking for new local coach/coaches, may I suggest: -Cheng Yi Du for Chinese forehand. -For backhand lessons I can't think of any other local coach better than Ben Johnson. |
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ohhgourami
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 2:14am |
thanks again. I'm still not satisfied with my bh yet. I just want to be enough stable so ppl won't pick on it during match. There are a lot of things Steven has told me to do plus all the other tips you've guys have given me. I will need some time to put things together step by step. The only problem is that Steven is moving away to Rockville so I am pretty much left with no coach for now. A coach as good as him will be very hard to come by. Luckily he can still try to teach me stuff through webcamming and from vids I will constantly be recording. Although school has started, I am thinking about doing a few roadtrips back to LA for a few more lessons. |
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tpgh2k
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 1:36am |
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bh is really nice in the 3rd vid!!
if you want to focus on the legs alone (probably did this already b/c steven knows more than me) try to just do counters while you get the legs moving. but i think your footwork is already there. which would then mean that this is the part where you're trying to put everything together. maybe try slowing down the pace so you can focus on getting it right? i dunno really....steven knows best =) either way, you're doing a great job and definitely keep it up. you should be able to beat me in about 3-6 months if you progress really fast. |
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 1:04am |
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I am surprized no one noticed how you dip your right shoulder so low. Good for brush loops but I think that is part of the reason you have a problem with body rotation.
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ohhgourami
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 12:29am |
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Playing for a bit over 2 years.
Part 3 uploaded!! |
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 12:25am |
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Just wondering how long have you been playing for? Putting everything together is so hard as it comes together very slow. Footwork I find is one of the hardest thing when training.
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ohhgourami
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Posted: 01/03/2011 at 12:15am |
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Thanks Tuan.
The past few lessons with Steven have been focused on getting enough impact - "snap" to drive the ball forward and add that needed spin. I was focusing a lot more on how I was using my legs during this lessons plus a few other components. Although I had about 6 lessons in the past 3 weeks, I only played about 10 hours total including the lessons. Right now, I'm trying to put all of that together. |
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:52pm |
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i like the second vid too! i think you have better footwork than me actually =(. the one thing i see in the second vid is that you have trouble with impacting. you're still using h3 on the fh right? it needs that quick snap in order for you to get the speed and spin required. i saw that you tried to get into a looping rally with steven and you missed a few times. that snap and impacting ability will make it easier for you for sure =)
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:33pm |
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Thanks for the advice so far, video added!!
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:32pm |
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oohgourami I gather you haven't been playing seriously for all that long and that you are just moving into an intermediate(ish) level. As such you look like you are coming along fine. One thing that I can't recommend highly enough is that you find a decent chopper (not easy to do I know) and practice regularly against him/her. Looping against chop will teach you to get spin, power and dip in your shots. Also, the often uneven returns (in spin and length) a chopper gives you will get you accustomed to making the constant tiny adjustments one needs to do when looping in a match. Too many players learn to loop only against block and/or multi-ball in a robotic fashion and they then struggle when the rubber hits the road - especially against LP players and the like. Good luck.
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 11:02pm |
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I've had the exact same problem with being too stiff, not using enough forearm/snapping my elbow as well. My coach had to emphasize and remind me every time, now I believe it's getting better.
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 10:55pm |
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well put roundrobin! steven should be good enough to block into the same spot so that you can work on the hip rotation part. i would suggest working on the elbow snap with rotation at 40% effort. you're going to be moon balling it a bit but it'll help with timing and feel. then start going at it with a more forward follow through. that should get it done =)
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 4:32pm |
Your form is not bad at all... That said, your waist rotation is minimal, as you turn too slowly, so you used mostly arm and wrist. You started your swing with your weight on your right foot, which is good, but then you failed to transfer it to your left leg as you completed the stroke, so it took away most of your power and spin... The optimal stance before you loop should have your body weight in the neutral position before shifting it to your right leg as the ball comes to you. In order to correct your balance, I recommend that you keep a neutral stance (body weight firmly in between your two feet) when you practice the same loop from now on. Do not shift your weight to your right foot at all even when you reach for a wide fh loop... Move both of your feet to do so while maintaining your balance right in the middle. Use your waist rotation to generate power. Once you can do the same drill (as in the video) comfortably, then you can starting shifting weight between your right and left foot.  |
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 3:31pm |
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Thanks for the advice. and sorry about the camera angle.
I agree with you guys on the elbow snap as I have used it before. This lesson was mainly focused on breaking some habits with my legs and using them properly. I'll defintely try to put that back into my shot. I didn't realize I was standing so parallel and that will get fixed. I was asking my coach about the length my arm is extended and he said that was fine. I won't be restricted on power as long as I don't lock my elbow. I'm surprised no one commented about how high I stand. I know if I bend my knees even more, the waist rotation thing will get fixed automatically. |
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 1:14pm |
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With respect to your answer APW, there are things that is basic in our technical development. It's not like everyone is saying that he has to have a perfect technique.
For example if he contact the ball too far from his body it will hinder him to put maximum power on his shots. The point of putting up a video is to get input to improve. At the end of the day, It comes down to ohh to try to pick up which advises that he thinks he should take that can improve him. It's not like he has to do what everyone said.. |
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Posted: 01/02/2011 at 12:51pm |
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With respect to all the above answers, I'm sure his coach knows what he's doing, whilst everyone has their 'you should be doing this' reply these things take time, many players never put in enough hours in the required space of time to get things right, because the amount of hours needed is unrealistic for them. So technical perfection is not always possible. It won't stop the coaches taking your money though....
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