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Bluefire JP 03 Review! |
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128YinYang
Super Member Joined: 02/14/2012 Location: Kernersville,NC Status: Offline Points: 381 |
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Posted: 07/24/2013 at 12:08am |
Ok, here it is!
Between moving to NC and getting everything finalized and prepared to move to
Taiwan (I'm still not finished yet ), I have not gotten
around to writing the Bluefire JP 03 until now, as well as the Victas V>01
(check for that thread later today/tonight). Also, the overall feel was a little bit harder than
M3, but not drastically so. Speed & Power: I'd say that the JP 03 had a slightly greater top-end speed than M3 because of the increased firmness of the sponge, but had less of a "pop" on the low-gear. However, I like this because I felt that M3 was way too "jumpy" and hyperactive on low-gears, so having the increased linearity of JP 03 was welcomed. Overall, I'd say JP 03 has just as much power as M3 (just a little more on the high-speed shots), while allowing for greater and more controlled variations of power on lower-speed shots. Spin: Just as much as M3. No noticeable change here. Throw Angle: No real change...maybe 5% lower, though that might just be my imagination. Blocks/Counters: Better with JP 03, imo, due to the increased linearity of the power. Chops: Not
something I do during my game, and I'm not good at it, but I try it on rubbers for fun during practice
and test sessions. M3 was terrible for chopping, but JP 03 seemed to provide some decent results, though not as good as Vega Japan did when I was testing it. Overall: I prefer the JP 03 to the M3 ultimately because I felt that it had more control in all areas of the game. The original M series generates more power with less effort, but I think many players will appreciate the more linear response of the JP series, especially in the short game. If you felt that the M series was a great rubber, but too jumpy and hyperactive in the short game, then I suggest trying the JP series. Thanks for your time, guys! Stay tuned for my review of Victas V>01. - YY Edited by 128YinYang - 07/24/2013 at 2:36pm |
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haggisv
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very nice review, thanks 128YingYang!
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AcudaDave
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thanks for the review. My buddy and I play with M3 on the BH and were pretty much deciding on not giving the JP 03 a chance since some people have posted negative reviews, but I think I may give it a try now. I was worried the spin wouldn't be as much and the throw angle would be too low, but sounds like it's not. Thanks again for the review.
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128YinYang
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Acuda Dave, I do not think you should expect too much difference from the JP 03 except a more linear response (and thus a better control of power) in the short game. However, it has been about 6 months since I used M3, so I do not know if I would see more differences if I had been using it immediately before I tried JP 03. But for the most part, they seemed pretty similar, with the JP version being more linear and slightly firmer. Hope this helps.
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AndySmith
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I've been experimenting with various setups in the last few weeks to get a grip on JP-03, so I'm A/Bing it with M3. They really do feel quite different.
I agree with 128YinYang in that JP-03 is harder, more linear, much less bouncy. I think this adds up to more than a slight difference myself. Not necessarily worse, just different. IMO, M3 on medium or hard blades feels a bit unstable sometimes. On my FH wing, I don't mind that because I'm looping most things hard anyway. Here it's awesome - massive arc, easy spin, etc. Easy to get a big click sound going, and you know you've ripped a good shot when you hear it. On the other hand, JP-03 feels really, really stable - rock solid. It has less spin in the lower gears - noticeable on serves, for example. You have to work harder to get spin in low speed shots. Short game is much easier. Much harder to bottom out. Arc is lower, tighter (but not low - just lower than M3). On harder shots the spin is high. Easier to use? Probably. Less dangerous? For me, yes, but YMMV. The lack of bounce is the thing that trips me up. I block and punch into the net a lot, and you have to open the blade face quite a bit. This is so different to M3 - I've become very used to having a very closed blade face for these shots. I remember the same feeling with Vega Japan - low bounciness. So I went back and tried that out on my backup blade, and it feels somewhere between M2 and JP-03 to me. Harder sponge than JP-03, but with the glossy topsheet of the original Bluefire line. Smells a bit of the original Bluefire tuner too, which JP-03 does not have. So I suppose I'm saying - if JP-03 isn't a good fit, try Vega Japan (if you don't mind the harder sponge).
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Tinykin
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@AndySmith
Very illuminating as always. |
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If you like Tenergy 05fx on the backhand but you don't like the high throw or the extra sensitivity to incoming spin than jp03 is the perfect fit and keep in mind that is my humble experience.
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JimT
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I agree with 128YinYang on almost everything - from bounciness and low gears to overall speed and control.
Andy is correct that on the lower gears JP-03 sometimes is slowish but that shouldn't be a problem for Tenergy lovers (who look for a replacement) - they gotta be used to that kind of behavior by now. As a BH rubber I didn't like it at all. Much preferred it on FH. Main reason - it is not good at quick blocking and slow pushes. |
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redyborde
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What should i pick between Jp-03, M3 and Barracuda?
I play close to the table, looping, pushing, blocking. Better BH than FH, pretty much used to soft rubbers with all wood OFF- blades like Primorac/Premium Contact. Fair enough technique but terrible footwork. Thanks!
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roulage
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Played with all mentioned rubbers.
Baracuda-sensitive to incoming spin, dead feel in slow loops, really good in block and chop, higher throw JP03-testing this week again, similar to bararuda in dead feel when looping slow, medium or medium - throw, good in harder loops, passive block inconsistent because of dead feel, better active block M3-good in all aspects, but sometimes too springy, need more practise to get to use to it, really much spinny (in slow loops too), for me is M3 the best choice, i am the same type-close to table player |
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m3 is seriously spinny rubber,for me personal this is the best in M series.
Haven`t tried JP seria yet. |
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Bran
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Hello, which would you rate as the closest update from a BF JP03, the Vega Japan or the JP02?
I'm gonna stick one on a Hypertouch, which is known to "soften" rubbers. I loved the JP03 topsheet (on a Viscaria), so am looking for something similar, yet firmer. |
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AndySmith
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Vega Japan's topsheet is more along the lines of the Bluefire M line, which is slightly harder than JP03's topsheet. VJ has a harder sponge too.
JP02 has a similar topsheet feel to JP03, but looks to have taller pips. Also, JP02's sponge is a different type to JP03's, as well as being a bit harder. JP02 is lower throw than JP03, and noticeably faster. If you don't mind the lower throw, JP02 is probably your best bet out of the two options you've given. |
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Bran
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Thanks Andy, I was precisely hoping you'd answer.
I'll start off with an old sheet of JP03 and work from there. I need to control my urges. |
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