I don't see what having an ego has to do with wishing to stop the spread of ill-explained, or more often, misapplied information. I think some people here are really overestimating the ability of any player who comes here to properly apply advice that they read here, but most of those who have not had sufficient experience with player development are. I think people would take this matter a little more seriously if they have witnessed the power of the internet echo chamber. It's how we've ended up with an abundance of posts such as "the Viscaria is better than the Timo Boll for my game because I play more over the table flicks", over analysis of hand pressure at contact, "X pro player lost because they didn't play to Y's FH/BH", etc. etc.
And who will be the judge and arbiter of "correct" information? You and NextLevel? Can't you see how egoistic it is? I would recommend applying to be a moderator, then you can just delete all such posts you don't like! Alternatively set up another forum, then you can do whatever you want, including being the thought police. It's a public forum, you're bound to have opinions you disagree with, but you're always welcome to make your point, isn't that the beauty of it? With excessive censorship and intolerance like what you suggest, i'm pretty sure I'll be leaving along with many others and the forum will cease to be a thriving forum with exchange of ideas.
I'm quite happy that fatt is the moderator rather than NextLevel!
I always thought US citizens are typically pro free speech and democracy, It looks like I might be very wrong on that....
It is clear that you aren’t willing to even try to understand the point and continue to be really inflammatory for some reason even though I think I made a pretty rational post. I won’t bother to post anymore.
I don't see what having an ego has to do with wishing to stop the spread of ill-explained, or more often, misapplied information. I think some people here are really overestimating the ability of any player who comes here to properly apply advice that they read here, but most of those who have not had sufficient experience with player development are. I think people would take this matter a little more seriously if they have witnessed the power of the internet echo chamber. It's how we've ended up with an abundance of posts such as "the Viscaria is better than the Timo Boll for my game because I play more over the table flicks", over analysis of hand pressure at contact, "X pro player lost because they didn't play to Y's FH/BH", etc. etc.
And who will be the judge and arbiter of "correct" information? You and NextLevel? Can't you see how egoistic it is? I would recommend applying to be a moderator, then you can just delete all such posts you don't like! Alternatively set up another forum, then you can do whatever you want, including being the thought police. It's a public forum, you're bound to have opinions you disagree with, but you're always welcome to make your point, isn't that the beauty of it? With excessive censorship and intolerance like what you suggest, i'm pretty sure I'll be leaving along with many others and the forum will cease to be a thriving forum with exchange of ideas.
I'm quite happy that fatt is the moderator rather than NextLevel!
I always thought US citizens are typically pro free speech and democracy, It looks like I might be very wrong on that....
I don't see what having an ego has to do with wishing to stop the spread of ill-explained, or more often, misapplied information. I think some people here are really overestimating the ability of any player who comes here to properly apply advice that they read here, but most of those who have not had sufficient experience with player development are. I think people would take this matter a little more seriously if they have witnessed the power of the internet echo chamber. It's how we've ended up with an abundance of posts such as "the Viscaria is better than the Timo Boll for my game because I play more over the table flicks", over analysis of hand pressure at contact, "X pro player lost because they didn't play to Y's FH/BH", etc. etc.
One of the hardest things to accept when you are trying to conceptualize table tennis is that a simple theory (and sometimes even complicated ones) do not convey the reality of the situation. It is one of the dangers that people naively trying to teach or learn table tennis through forums often forget. The highest level coach I know who posts regularly almost always asks you to send or post video before he answers a question about your play because he knows how dangerous it can be to give advice that can be totally irrelevant to the player he is giving it to. Every answer is reasonable in some context.
As for your level, I remember that you had a video of members playing a long while back and you also comment in mickd's thread saying your level is similar to his. Now usually in my experience that would mean your level is likely lower than his as people who don't watch themselves play regularly or who don't play tournaments tend to inflate their level. But if I assume your level is the same as his, that is fine. It helps me put your statements in context. And that is enough. I don't need to ignore them, I just use that information to place it in context. You probably don't or can't serve or push short.for example. Most of us can't anyways.
If someone is telling me he can win a match vs. equal opponents by pushing every serve long and he is not chopper, I think this is reasonable and true up to a certain level. If I know someone is going that at the USATT equivalent of 1200, then I will not argue at all as I did it. If someone is saying he can do it at USATT 1600 he had better be a good blocker. Above that, it will work against certain opponents but not against others unless you are a better player in general as the quality of attacks begin to cause pressure.
Dismissing people is something I cannot do in good faith. But I like to know the perspective of who I am talking to so I can understand where his experiences are coming from. Table tennis is subjective to a high degree, you need to know a bit about who you are talking to and where they want to take their game before making good recommendations for them. Sharing your opinions is fine. Just know that someone out there is googling things and reading what blahness says and is trying it out in their game. When I post video.of.my practice which with hindsight, I should never have made public, people see it and treat it as technical commentary.
I have made myself clear but I suspect you will still disagree. That is fine. It would not be an internet forum otherwise.
Of course advice needs to be in context. But readers are not stupid, they can choose for themselves what advice to follow! You worry way too much about people you don't even know.... If they really want personalised advice they could start a thread. if they misinterpreted general technique discussions its their own problem, why worry? do you have such a big ego that you feel the need to police what people post so that the poor newbies wont get confused?
Btw that video was a long time ago and I have surpassed that level significantly already. Youre making a lot of assumptions which are likely wrong. You're out of your mind if you think i cant serve short lol.... thats like the really basics which i think even 1500 players can do.l can push short, but why push short when you can chiquita and gain a huge advantage? I only push short if the opponent serves heavier underspin. My biggest issue is the surprise long fast serves to the middle or BH which gets me as I'm preparing to move forward with the chiquita, if I can punish that with good percentages my level will increase significantly. It's a BH loop in a bad position, which I miss a bit too often against good servers. The most important thing to increase someones level in TT is serves and receive. The game rarely goes to a rally... I'm not so good at rallying as mickd for sure, but in terms of serve and receive I'm quite sure I have a much nastier game because i can almost attack all services on the receive, and I can serve high quality tomahawk and pendulum which are very well disguised. I also attack the first ball hard because I know I'm gonna lose in a rally situation, and more often than not it doesn't come back. My worst matchups are with those who can block my first attacks very well and those who dont misread my serves. This aggressive game has won me matches against high level players but when it doesn't work I lose to weaker players... How many weak players do you know who can do the chiquita consistently?
One of the hardest things to accept when you are trying to conceptualize table tennis is that a simple theory (and sometimes even complicated ones) do not convey the reality of the situation. It is one of the dangers that people naively trying to teach or learn table tennis through forums often forget. The highest level coach I know who posts regularly almost always asks you to send or post video before he answers a question about your play because he knows how dangerous it can be to give advice that can be totally irrelevant to the player he is giving it to. Every answer is reasonable in some context.
As for your level, I remember that you had a video of members playing a long while back and you also comment in mickd's thread saying your level is similar to his. Now usually in my experience that would mean your level is likely lower than his as people who don't watch themselves play regularly or who don't play tournaments tend to inflate their level. But if I assume your level is the same as his, that is fine. It helps me put your statements in context. And that is enough. I don't need to ignore them, I just use that information to place it in context. You probably don't or can't serve or push short.for example. Most of us can't anyways.
If someone is telling me he can win a match vs. equal opponents by pushing every serve long and he is not chopper, I think this is reasonable and true up to a certain level. If I know someone is going that at the USATT equivalent of 1200, then I will not argue at all as I did it. If someone is saying he can do it at USATT 1600 he had better be a good blocker. Above that, it will work against certain opponents but not against others unless you are a better player in general as the quality of attacks begin to cause pressure.
Dismissing people is something I cannot do in good faith. But I like to know the perspective of who I am talking to so I can understand where his experiences are coming from. Table tennis is subjective to a high degree, you need to know a bit about who you are talking to and where they want to take their game before making good recommendations for them. Sharing your opinions is fine. Just know that someone out there is googling things and reading what blahness says and is trying it out in their game. When I post video.of.my practice which with hindsight, I should never have made public, people see it and treat it as technical commentary.
I have made myself clear but I suspect you will still disagree. That is fine. It would not be an internet forum otherwise.
I never understood how people can be annoyed by other people contributing their ideas and knowledge to the forum....
If an idea is wrong, just explain in words why it is wrong and let your words stand for themselves. If you're right, people will see your side of things, if no what is it to you? It's his loss... If someone is annoyed by that, maybe it's time to check the ego a bit?
What I really dislike, is people who pour cold water on other's genuine efforts , post personal attacks regularly, and harp their own "high level" rating to silence other people. I'm simply feeling for enthusiastic guys like the OP, how would he feel about his videos being dismissively called "basic club level TT", which implies it's of no use to people around here (which is demonstrably false). It's a poisonous attitude on a open forum where exchange of ideas and knowledge is exactly why it exists.
The OP is not the subject of my comments. I have in fact enjoyed his videos whether I find them to align with my experiences or not. It is people who comment on these things without talking about their specific playing experience or context and turn these things into abstract discussions rather than honest discussions about the frustrations of table tennis that I have no time for.
Shaks clearly understood my point. I suspect you are largely starved of high level TT coaching or experience or you would too. Table tennis for me has been a hard, frustrating and rewarding hobby. Lots of process, very few completed. Always striving to improve. Compromises exist as well.
The knowledge in the video is common at the club level. The work and ability required to do it at a high level is a different story. One coach I know says you can tell the higher level players from the lower level players by how much of their body they are throwing into their shots and the better players just do it better.
Everyone has head at some point that they can't swing with their arms, they have to engage their body. And the whole "Chinese approach" sometimes grates my nerves, it is often about what your athletic ability can support and the sheer number of their best athletes in TT. When you speak to an adult amateur, you have to help him get better and just telling him the correct theory does not work.
Sorry to hear that you have so much frustrations playing TT, maybe it's good to take a step back. It's a hobby after all! You should be deriving fun and enjoyment from it rather than suffering!
For me personally I get quite a lot of advice from very high level table tennis players but never professional coaching (for me it's more fun to work it out on my own and the money is definitely better invested elsewhere at my age).
Competing in anything you invest time into in life should have a similar result if you have a certain type of personality. It is nothing specific to table tennis. I do get a lot of reward out of TT which is why I play. I am just explaining the difference between someone who takes table tennis and related issues somewhat seriously and someone like yourself who just tells about TT in blissful ignorance of such struggles. Working out stuff on your own is fine, but be honest about this and avoid making people the naive subjects of your experiments. It is easy when writing about TT to give people a false view of what it takes to get better in TT.
Why so serious? You're never gonna make any living from it and you're way too far from any sort of pro level anyway. I would challenge you to find any statement of mine which has not been done in an honest or helpful way, let alone making people "naive subjects of experiments" LOL as if they can't think on their own.... So it seems that you want to be nominated as the forum technique thought police (being an amateur player with a 2000 rating) hahahahahaha.....
Blahness,
I get your point. If you think I am serious, go see the people who are willing to spend thousands of dollars going to training camps or to import coaches. I have never gone to a training camp. I did spend money on valuable coaching. Some of my best friends I met while playing and competing in TT. There was a time when I played a lot of tournaments. But if you think because I am writing about what many people do and you think your laughing at me will change reality that is okay. I don't make a living from TT but just like fatt, I do paid coaching.
My point is that you have no idea of the people who naively come to TT forums looking for expert advice and then stumble upon the posts of blahness and think he is some high level TT genius. You are probably not close to USATT 2000 but you feel compelled to denigrate the level because it isn't close to pro level. Nothing wrong with that but I just want people to speak honestly about their level of experience with table tennis so that everyone can better evaluate where the posts are coming from.
When I look at TTGold, young, very fit, technically sound player, I can place his posts in context and decidewhether if what he says should apply to my game. If you look at my videos, tall, modestly athletic, doesn't get low, backhand oriented, you can look at my game and see whether it makes sense.
One of the mild advantages I have over other forum members is that I have seen or met a lot of players who post here so I can place what people are saying in context. If a former junior player now much older is saying that T05 H is good for him, I can tell. If a 1500 player is saying that equipment doesn't matter, I can tell. I can usually ignore these posts because I know the players and in some cases the players have already said at one point or another who they are and what they do.
So I don't police truth. I don't care about your precise level. I just want you to be transparent about it. If you are transparent you can say whatever you want. Level is not everything. But sharing your playing/coaching background so people can understand where you are coming from helps. I learned a lot from players at lower levels who explained what they did to solve problems at that level.
Lol there is no such thing as a USATT rating in most parts of the world. You have absolutely no idea of my level, but if I were to make an estimate based on videos I would say definitely at least 1800 but am not that sure on the exact number, because my playing level fluctuates quite a bit (i can beat some very high level players including some professional coaches on some good days, and lose to a mediocre player the next). But I don't particularly care as I don't exactly have an ego like you. I also never pretended I'm a genius in TT, but simply sharing thoughts and opinions on technique. Guess I've satisfied the MyTT thought police? Should we all put a description of our estimated rating and experience in our signature, create a NextLevel filter to filter out comments from all players with lower rating?
I never understood how people can be annoyed by other people contributing their ideas and knowledge to the forum....
If an idea is wrong, just explain in words why it is wrong and let your words stand for themselves. If you're right, people will see your side of things, if no what is it to you? It's his loss... If someone is annoyed by that, maybe it's time to check the ego a bit?
What I really dislike, is people who pour cold water on other's genuine efforts , post personal attacks regularly, and harp their own "high level" rating to silence other people. I'm simply feeling for enthusiastic guys like the OP, how would he feel about his videos being dismissively called "basic club level TT", which implies it's of no use to people around here (which is demonstrably false). It's a poisonous attitude on a open forum where exchange of ideas and knowledge is exactly why it exists.
The OP is not the subject of my comments. I have in fact enjoyed his videos whether I find them to align with my experiences or not. It is people who comment on these things without talking about their specific playing experience or context and turn these things into abstract discussions rather than honest discussions about the frustrations of table tennis that I have no time for.
Shaks clearly understood my point. I suspect you are largely starved of high level TT coaching or experience or you would too. Table tennis for me has been a hard, frustrating and rewarding hobby. Lots of process, very few completed. Always striving to improve. Compromises exist as well.
The knowledge in the video is common at the club level. The work and ability required to do it at a high level is a different story. One coach I know says you can tell the higher level players from the lower level players by how much of their body they are throwing into their shots and the better players just do it better.
Everyone has head at some point that they can't swing with their arms, they have to engage their body. And the whole "Chinese approach" sometimes grates my nerves, it is often about what your athletic ability can support and the sheer number of their best athletes in TT. When you speak to an adult amateur, you have to help him get better and just telling him the correct theory does not work.
Sorry to hear that you have so much frustrations playing TT, maybe it's good to take a step back. It's a hobby after all! You should be deriving fun and enjoyment from it rather than suffering!
For me personally I get quite a lot of advice from very high level table tennis players but never professional coaching (for me it's more fun to work it out on my own and the money is definitely better invested elsewhere at my age).
Competing in anything you invest time into in life should have a similar result if you have a certain type of personality. It is nothing specific to table tennis. I do get a lot of reward out of TT which is why I play. I am just explaining the difference between someone who takes table tennis and related issues somewhat seriously and someone like yourself who just tells about TT in blissful ignorance of such struggles. Working out stuff on your own is fine, but be honest about this and avoid making people the naive subjects of your experiments. It is easy when writing about TT to give people a false view of what it takes to get better in TT.
Why so serious? You're never gonna make any living from it and you're way too far from any sort of pro level anyway. I would challenge you to find any statement of mine which has not been done in an honest or helpful way, let alone making people "naive subjects of experiments" LOL as if they can't think on their own.... So it seems that you want to be nominated as the forum technique thought police (being an amateur player with a 2000 rating) hahahahahaha.....
Blahness,
I get your point. If you think I am serious, go see the people who are willing to spend thousands of dollars going to training camps or to import coaches. I have never gone to a training camp. I did spend money on valuable coaching. Some of my best friends I met while playing and competing in TT. There was a time when I played a lot of tournaments. But if you think because I am writing about what many people do and you think your laughing at me will change reality that is okay. I don't make a living from TT but just like fatt, I do paid coaching.
My point is that you have no idea of the people who naively come to TT forums looking for expert advice and then stumble upon the posts of blahness and think he is some high level TT genius. You are probably not close to USATT 2000 but you feel compelled to denigrate the level because it isn't close to pro level. Nothing wrong with that but I just want people to speak honestly about their level of experience with table tennis so that everyone can better evaluate where the posts are coming from.
When I look at TTGold, young, very fit, technically sound player, I can place his posts in context and decidewhether if what he says should apply to my game. If you look at my videos, tall, modestly athletic, doesn't get low, backhand oriented, you can look at my game and see whether it makes sense.
One of the mild advantages I have over other forum members is that I have seen or met a lot of players who post here so I can place what people are saying in context. If a former junior player now much older is saying that T05 H is good for him, I can tell. If a 1500 player is saying that equipment doesn't matter, I can tell. I can usually ignore these posts because I know the players and in some cases the players have already said at one point or another who they are and what they do.
So I don't police truth. I don't care about your precise level. I just want you to be transparent about it. If you are transparent you can say whatever you want. Level is not everything. But sharing your playing/coaching background so people can understand where you are coming from helps. I learned a lot from players at lower levels who explained what they did to solve problems at that level.
I never understood how people can be annoyed by other people contributing their ideas and knowledge to the forum....
If an idea is wrong, just explain in words why it is wrong and let your words stand for themselves. If you're right, people will see your side of things, if no what is it to you? It's his loss... If someone is annoyed by that, maybe it's time to check the ego a bit?
What I really dislike, is people who pour cold water on other's genuine efforts , post personal attacks regularly, and harp their own "high level" rating to silence other people. I'm simply feeling for enthusiastic guys like the OP, how would he feel about his videos being dismissively called "basic club level TT", which implies it's of no use to people around here (which is demonstrably false). It's a poisonous attitude on a open forum where exchange of ideas and knowledge is exactly why it exists.
The OP is not the subject of my comments. I have in fact enjoyed his videos whether I find them to align with my experiences or not. It is people who comment on these things without talking about their specific playing experience or context and turn these things into abstract discussions rather than honest discussions about the frustrations of table tennis that I have no time for.
Shaks clearly understood my point. I suspect you are largely starved of high level TT coaching or experience or you would too. Table tennis for me has been a hard, frustrating and rewarding hobby. Lots of process, very few completed. Always striving to improve. Compromises exist as well.
The knowledge in the video is common at the club level. The work and ability required to do it at a high level is a different story. One coach I know says you can tell the higher level players from the lower level players by how much of their body they are throwing into their shots and the better players just do it better.
Everyone has head at some point that they can't swing with their arms, they have to engage their body. And the whole "Chinese approach" sometimes grates my nerves, it is often about what your athletic ability can support and the sheer number of their best athletes in TT. When you speak to an adult amateur, you have to help him get better and just telling him the correct theory does not work.
Sorry to hear that you have so much frustrations playing TT, maybe it's good to take a step back. It's a hobby after all! You should be deriving fun and enjoyment from it rather than suffering!
For me personally I get quite a lot of advice from very high level table tennis players but never professional coaching (for me it's more fun to work it out on my own and the money is definitely better invested elsewhere at my age).
Competing in anything you invest time into in life should have a similar result if you have a certain type of personality. It is nothing specific to table tennis. I do get a lot of reward out of TT which is why I play. I am just explaining the difference between someone who takes table tennis and related issues somewhat seriously and someone like yourself who just tells about TT in blissful ignorance of such struggles. Working out stuff on your own is fine, but be honest about this and avoid making people the naive subjects of your experiments. It is easy when writing about TT to give people a false view of what it takes to get better in TT.
Why so serious? You're never gonna make any living from it and you're way too far from any sort of pro level anyway. I would challenge you to find any statement of mine which has not been done in an honest or helpful way, let alone making people "naive subjects of experiments" LOL as if they can't think on their own.... So it seems that you want to be nominated as the forum technique thought police (being an amateur player with a 2000 rating) hahahahahaha.....
Good technique can be applied at all levels and all ages when in position not too close to the table, and it should. A Samsonov style fh loop with the elbow close to the body and from mid distance is reproducible at lower speed by anybody who received coaching, no matter their age. The hard part is getting in position to get a chance to do it.
At all levels we receive mid distance balls that see us ideally placed and we deliver good shots.
I don’t understand the « we don’t need that at amateur level. » I would think we need it at all levels.
Question: could ZJK’s injury come from a disproportionately high hips thrust relatively to the legs?
Let’s assume yes: do we blame the technique?
You can use good technique as it suits your body. Trying to play like ma long when you look like Peter Griffin is not the brightest idea! Even at the pro level they get injuries etc. Which is also why a good number of players end up having to retire or quit their ambitious climb! That goes across all sports.
So I think there is a good technique to use for old timers or those less physically durable for certain motions, which is different from picture perfect Chinese footwork and body rotation. Is the juice worth the squeeze!? Should they really be trying to attain that level of physicality, when they have a very limited athletic resume?
Put it this way, when is the last time you saw a 30 year old beginner develop really good body torque and all that along with it? I'm not saying dont try to at all, but that perhaps the degree they should try is greatly reduced from that of a pro athlete
Even samsonovs relaxed technique is a result of decades learning and training from a young age
The idea that Samsonov is that much less physical than Ma Long when looping is the kind of thing that makes me wonder where fatt is coming from. Other than possibly the use of the arm, and the fact that his height and body size gives him more natural leverage, Samsonov is just as physical in the use of the core. You can't play at that level otherwise.
what I meant he keeps his elbow close to the body and the effort to loop is not overly delegated to the stress of deltoids and shoulder muscles, that effort is harmoniously shared between the widest range of muscles and from my perspective it is why he can play such a high level so late.
I thought it was obvious so I did not precise, I was afraid it could be perceived as beating around the bush, I wanted to dodge possible answers like “thanks to fatt, we are discovering today samsonov’s efficiency, I’ll be darned.” I guess I was doomed either way.
It’s funny to place ma long v. samsonov here, I think ma long is the fluidest, most efficient player, he is WITH samsonov here.
Guys, there are many TT players who get injured at a young age and stop playing if they try athletically hard. The idea that high level technique is inherently safe is unproven. What it is better to say is that it is a safer way to hit the ball hard repeatedly than just using the upper arm. But whether it doesn't have its own can of worms, especially for people who don't start it young, is not yet well known. Even without preexisting conditions that people are using to excuse ZJK from this discussion, many of the top level CNT and European players have periods of rest and rehabilitation with injury. And they also get the kind of attention and medical care that many of us will just not have since we are not pros.
But not to take away from the main point, there are ways to play less athletically with compromises. But the compromises have to be understood and placed in context with risk and reward. And I think that is where the more interesting discussions for me are.
Then there is also the mental read of the game with understanding spin, placement and anticipation and continual recovery to cover.the angle of play. This is where many people can only get better with experience and is what causes the most frustration even when someone has reasonable technique.
Good technique can be applied at all levels and all ages when in position not too close to the table, and it should. A Samsonov style fh loop with the elbow close to the body and from mid distance is reproducible at lower speed by anybody who received coaching, no matter their age. The hard part is getting in position to get a chance to do it.
At all levels we receive mid distance balls that see us ideally placed and we deliver good shots.
I don’t understand the « we don’t need that at amateur level. » I would think we need it at all levels.
Question: could ZJK’s injury come from a disproportionately high hips thrust relatively to the legs?
Let’s assume yes: do we blame the technique?
You can use good technique as it suits your body. Trying to play like ma long when you look like Peter Griffin is not the brightest idea! Even at the pro level they get injuries etc. Which is also why a good number of players end up having to retire or quit their ambitious climb! That goes across all sports.
So I think there is a good technique to use for old timers or those less physically durable for certain motions, which is different from picture perfect Chinese footwork and body rotation. Is the juice worth the squeeze!? Should they really be trying to attain that level of physicality, when they have a very limited athletic resume?
Put it this way, when is the last time you saw a 30 year old beginner develop really good body torque and all that along with it? I'm not saying dont try to at all, but that perhaps the degree they should try is greatly reduced from that of a pro athlete
Even samsonovs relaxed technique is a result of decades learning and training from a young age
The idea that Samsonov is that much less physical than Ma Long when looping is the kind of thing that makes me wonder where fatt is coming from. Other than possibly the use of the arm, and the fact that his height and body size gives him more natural leverage, Samsonov is just as physical in the use of the core. You can't play at that level otherwise.
I never understood how people can be annoyed by other people contributing their ideas and knowledge to the forum....
If an idea is wrong, just explain in words why it is wrong and let your words stand for themselves. If you're right, people will see your side of things, if no what is it to you? It's his loss... If someone is annoyed by that, maybe it's time to check the ego a bit?
What I really dislike, is people who pour cold water on other's genuine efforts , post personal attacks regularly, and harp their own "high level" rating to silence other people. I'm simply feeling for enthusiastic guys like the OP, how would he feel about his videos being dismissively called "basic club level TT", which implies it's of no use to people around here (which is demonstrably false). It's a poisonous attitude on a open forum where exchange of ideas and knowledge is exactly why it exists.
The OP is not the subject of my comments. I have in fact enjoyed his videos whether I find them to align with my experiences or not. It is people who comment on these things without talking about their specific playing experience or context and turn these things into abstract discussions rather than honest discussions about the frustrations of table tennis that I have no time for.
Shaks clearly understood my point. I suspect you are largely starved of high level TT coaching or experience or you would too. Table tennis for me has been a hard, frustrating and rewarding hobby. Lots of process, very few completed. Always striving to improve. Compromises exist as well.
The knowledge in the video is common at the club level. The work and ability required to do it at a high level is a different story. One coach I know says you can tell the higher level players from the lower level players by how much of their body they are throwing into their shots and the better players just do it better.
Everyone has head at some point that they can't swing with their arms, they have to engage their body. And the whole "Chinese approach" sometimes grates my nerves, it is often about what your athletic ability can support and the sheer number of their best athletes in TT. When you speak to an adult amateur, you have to help him get better and just telling him the correct theory does not work.
Sorry to hear that you have so much frustrations playing TT, maybe it's good to take a step back. It's a hobby after all! You should be deriving fun and enjoyment from it rather than suffering!
For me personally I get quite a lot of advice from very high level table tennis players but never professional coaching (for me it's more fun to work it out on my own and the money is definitely better invested elsewhere at my age).
Competing in anything you invest time into in life should have a similar result if you have a certain type of personality. It is nothing specific to table tennis. I do get a lot of reward out of TT which is why I play. I am just explaining the difference between someone who takes table tennis and related issues somewhat seriously and someone like yourself who just tells about TT in blissful ignorance of such struggles. Working out stuff on your own is fine, but be honest about this and avoid making people the naive subjects of your experiments. It is easy when writing about TT to give people a false view of what it takes to get better in TT.
Good technique can be applied at all levels and all ages when in position not too close to the table, and it should. A Samsonov style fh loop with the elbow close to the body and from mid distance is reproducible at lower speed by anybody who received coaching, no matter their age. The hard part is getting in position to get a chance to do it.
At all levels we receive mid distance balls that see us ideally placed and we deliver good shots.
I don’t understand the « we don’t need that at amateur level. » I would think we need it at all levels.
Question: could ZJK’s injury come from a disproportionately high hips thrust relatively to the legs?
Let’s assume yes: do we blame the technique?
You can use good technique as it suits your body. Trying to play like ma long when you look like Peter Griffin is not the brightest idea! Even at the pro level they get injuries etc. Which is also why a good number of players end up having to retire or quit their ambitious climb! That goes across all sports.
So I think there is a good technique to use for old timers or those less physically durable for certain motions, which is different from picture perfect Chinese footwork and body rotation. Is the juice worth the squeeze!? Should they really be trying to attain that level of physicality, when they have a very limited athletic resume?
Put it this way, when is the last time you saw a 30 year old beginner develop really good body torque and all that along with it? I'm not saying dont try to at all, but that perhaps the degree they should try is greatly reduced from that of a pro athlete
Even samsonovs relaxed technique is a result of decades learning and training from a young age
I would say that we need to know our limits and work with that context when developing good technique. For e.g. you could rotate at your hip still but maybe a bit more relaxed and less forcefully if you have issues in the area. Also saying "Chinese" footwork is a misnomer because there are actually a great deal of variety in coaching methods. I have recently seen a series of videos on Li Sun (coach of multiple grand slam winners) coaching some amateurs and he was giving some incredibly simple and practical advice rather than a dogmatic approach.
I think ZJK had a pre existing hip condition as he mentioned in one of his videos....which caused him to overcompensate with the shoulder leading to other injuries imo.... Sadly he seems to have paid for his Grand Slam with his health!
Good technique can be applied at all levels and all ages when in position not too close to the table, and it should. A Samsonov style fh loop with the elbow close to the body and from mid distance is reproducible at lower speed by anybody who received coaching, no matter their age. The hard part is getting in position to get a chance to do it.
At all levels we receive mid distance balls that see us ideally placed and we deliver good shots.
I don’t understand the « we don’t need that at amateur level. » I would think we need it at all levels.
Question: could ZJK’s injury come from a disproportionately high hips thrust relatively to the legs?
Let’s assume yes: do we blame the technique?
You can use good technique as it suits your body. Trying to play like ma long when you look like Peter Griffin is not the brightest idea! Even at the pro level they get injuries etc. Which is also why a good number of players end up having to retire or quit their ambitious climb! That goes across all sports.
So I think there is a good technique to use for old timers or those less physically durable for certain motions, which is different from picture perfect Chinese footwork and body rotation. Is the juice worth the squeeze!? Should they really be trying to attain that level of physicality, when they have a very limited athletic resume?
Put it this way, when is the last time you saw a 30 year old beginner develop really good body torque and all that along with it? I'm not saying dont try to at all, but that perhaps the degree they should try is greatly reduced from that of a pro athlete
Even samsonovs relaxed technique is a result of decades learning and training from a young age
Good technique can be applied at all levels and all ages when in position not too close to the table, and it should. A Samsonov style fh loop with the elbow close to the body and from mid distance is reproducible at lower speed by anybody who received coaching, no matter their age. The hard part is getting in position to get a chance to do it.
At all levels we receive mid distance balls that see us ideally placed and we deliver good shots.
I don’t understand the « we don’t need that at amateur level. » I would think we need it at all levels.
As for injuries... I'm inclined to agree, up to a point. Many seniors are bound to have pre-existing conditions precluding one from using the full "Chinese approach."
Good technique can be applied at all levels and all ages when in position not too close to the table, and it should. A Samsonov style fh loop with the elbow close to the body and from mid distance is reproducible at lower speed by anybody who received coaching, no matter their age. The hard part is getting in position to get a chance to do it.
At all levels we receive mid distance balls that see us ideally placed and we deliver good shots.
I don’t understand the « we don’t need that at amateur level. » I would think we need it at all levels.
I never understood how people can be annoyed by other people contributing their ideas and knowledge to the forum....
If an idea is wrong, just explain in words why it is wrong and let your words stand for themselves. If you're right, people will see your side of things, if no what is it to you? It's his loss... If someone is annoyed by that, maybe it's time to check the ego a bit?
What I really dislike, is people who pour cold water on other's genuine efforts , post personal attacks regularly, and harp their own "high level" rating to silence other people. I'm simply feeling for enthusiastic guys like the OP, how would he feel about his videos being dismissively called "basic club level TT", which implies it's of no use to people around here (which is demonstrably false). It's a poisonous attitude on a open forum where exchange of ideas and knowledge is exactly why it exists.
The OP is not the subject of my comments. I have in fact enjoyed his videos whether I find them to align with my experiences or not. It is people who comment on these things without talking about their specific playing experience or context and turn these things into abstract discussions rather than honest discussions about the frustrations of table tennis that I have no time for.
Shaks clearly understood my point. I suspect you are largely starved of high level TT coaching or experience or you would too. Table tennis for me has been a hard, frustrating and rewarding hobby. Lots of process, very few completed. Always striving to improve. Compromises exist as well.
The knowledge in the video is common at the club level. The work and ability required to do it at a high level is a different story. One coach I know says you can tell the higher level players from the lower level players by how much of their body they are throwing into their shots and the better players just do it better.
Everyone has head at some point that they can't swing with their arms, they have to engage their body. And the whole "Chinese approach" sometimes grates my nerves, it is often about what your athletic ability can support and the sheer number of their best athletes in TT. When you speak to an adult amateur, you have to help him get better and just telling him the correct theory does not work.
Sorry to hear that you have so much frustrations playing TT, maybe it's good to take a step back. It's a hobby after all! You should be deriving fun and enjoyment from it rather than suffering!
For me personally I get quite a lot of advice from very high level table tennis players but never professional coaching (for me it's more fun to work it out on my own and the money is definitely better invested elsewhere at my age).
"Everyone has heard at some point that they can't swing with their arms, they have to engage their body. And the whole "Chinese approach" sometimes grates my nerves, it is often about what your athletic ability can support and the sheer number of their best athletes in TT. When you speak to an adult amateur, you have to help him get better and just telling him the correct theory does not work."
obesechopper wrote:
"I think old amateurs learning the sport and lots of body rotation is a recipe for disaster lol...
Most just paw out at the ball with their arms, or get minimal body rotation. Much easier on the spine and body overall. On top of that they have to move into position to get all that twisting ready!
How much is really needed for most people? "
Both of you raise very good and interesting points/questions. I'm an old fool/amateur attempting to learn the "Chinese approach." I'm enjoying it along with the body pain. I use the pain to identify areas I need to strengthen. But sooner or later the body gives out and a change in playing style will be required.
I am quite curious as to what alternatives a good coach might employ with old amateurs. Of course, I realize that varies based on ability and age.
I think old amateurs learning the sport and lots of body rotation is a recipe for disaster lol...
Most just paw out at the ball with their arms, or get minimal body rotation. Much easier on the spine and body overall. On top of that they have to move into position to get all that twisting ready!
I never understood how people can be annoyed by other people contributing their ideas and knowledge to the forum....
If an idea is wrong, just explain in words why it is wrong and let your words stand for themselves. If you're right, people will see your side of things, if no what is it to you? It's his loss... If someone is annoyed by that, maybe it's time to check the ego a bit?
What I really dislike, is people who pour cold water on other's genuine efforts , post personal attacks regularly, and harp their own "high level" rating to silence other people. I'm simply feeling for enthusiastic guys like the OP, how would he feel about his videos being dismissively called "basic club level TT", which implies it's of no use to people around here (which is demonstrably false). It's a poisonous attitude on a open forum where exchange of ideas and knowledge is exactly why it exists.
The OP is not the subject of my comments. I have in fact enjoyed his videos whether I find them to align with my experiences or not. It is people who comment on these things without talking about their specific playing experience or context and turn these things into abstract discussions rather than honest discussions about the frustrations of table tennis that I have no time for.
Shaks clearly understood my point. I suspect you are largely starved of high level TT coaching or experience or you would too. Table tennis for me has been a hard, frustrating and rewarding hobby. Lots of process, very few completed. Always striving to improve. Compromises exist as well.
The knowledge in the video is common at the club level. The work and ability required to do it at a high level is a different story. One coach I know says you can tell the higher level players from the lower level players by how much of their body they are throwing into their shots and the better players just do it better.
Everyone has head at some point that they can't swing with their arms, they have to engage their body. And the whole "Chinese approach" sometimes grates my nerves, it is often about what your athletic ability can support and the sheer number of their best athletes in TT. When you speak to an adult amateur, you have to help him get better and just telling him the correct theory does not work.
I never understood how people can be annoyed by other people contributing their ideas and knowledge to the forum....
If an idea is wrong, just explain in words why it is wrong and let your words stand for themselves. If you're right, people will see your side of things, if no what is it to you? It's his loss... If someone is annoyed by that, maybe it's time to check the ego a bit?
What I really dislike, is people who pour cold water on other's genuine efforts , post personal attacks regularly, and harp their own "high level" rating to silence other people. I'm simply feeling for enthusiastic guys like the OP, how would he feel about his videos being dismissively called "basic club level TT", which implies it's of no use to people around here (which is demonstrably false). It's a poisonous attitude on a open forum where exchange of ideas and knowledge is exactly why it exists.
I thought in the Korean videos the coach was instructing the student to rotate/thrust with the hips/pelvis, not just turning at the waist and shoulders. The hip rotation is a fundamental building block of good forehand mechanics. It's the link in the kinetic chain between the legs and the upper torso.
In the Japanese video where Yassun is demonstrating his forehand to Gucchy, I thought the main takeaway is the change to Gucchy's contact: from a predominantly brushing contact to one with a bit more hitting. In effect, Yassun was demonstrating a topspin drive/ drive loop as compared to Gucchy's brush loop. Drive looping necessitates an earlier timing, which also contributes to shot speed.
Note at one point, according to the subtitles, Yassun speculated that Gucchy must be used to using Hurricane rubbers, based on his predominantly brushing contact.
This is 100% correct.
That said, at a later point in the video, Yassun discusses hip rotation as being distinct from weight transfer and says that as you are forced to play at a faster pace with quicker recovery, you are forced to avoid full weight transfer and play with quick hip usage.
This is what blahness uses to argue that a 2400 player like Guccy was doing it wrong and did not know the correct approach until Yassjn showed him to use the hips properly.
That is the problem with internet expertise.
I believe Gucchy has a better attitude than you, even when he is quite a high level player he is constantly learning and he is trying new things and improving himself. As I said it was a poor choice of words, I should have used suboptimal rather than wrong to describe his initial stroke.
Btw you have changed your goalposts significantly. First you say that Gucchy was faking it as there was no way he could have made such a big change in his stroke in one session. Then you said because it was a "minor" change so Yassun was able to easily fix Gucchy's stroke. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
I just don't like your high and mighty posting attitude on this thread in particular, that's all. Rather than offering helpful advice you were focused more on attacking fellow posters and derailing the thread, a really unproductive endeavour.
I am sorry you don't like my attitude but I obviously don't like yours either. Let's just call it a draw. My attitude is not high and mighty, my attitude is very simple.
And when I said Gucci was faking it, I said I was speculating, but as you can see, others have found my position plausible. And if you had said suboptimal, then that is much better than what you said, because you knew your original post was taking an unspoken jab at me when all I said was that it was club level knowledge. But do you really believe the OP in the first video is doing something optimal? Of course, he is learning the correct concept and form, but he still has ways to go.
As for whether my advice is helpful, I leave that to you. I just don't like it when people parrot stuff. I prefer when they speak from their own experiences.
To quote your original post which I'll leave here for everyone else to judge:
If you want me to discuss the original topic, use of the body to get more power is basic club level table tennis, and I don't even think what is described above is the most advanced version of it.
The fact is that there has been quite productive discussions later on directly disproves what you think is "basic club level table tennis".
It'll be helpful if you stuck to actually contributing rather than posting discouraging comments and personal attacks.
It
IF you play in a club in the USA, you have been exposed to these ideas. Whether you do it or not is your prerogative. And I am happy you find the discussions productive. I am still looking for someone to teach me something, rather than pretend to know more than they actually do.
This post speaks for itself, the arrogant attitude of an amateur player...
I dont see it as arrogance but more like frustration. There is an underlying point that NextLevel makes. Without an actual experience be it with a coach or self taught, it is pretty much impossible to transfer esoteric table tennis techniques to random people on the internet. It almost ends up in confusion when you try to interpret with words the actual mechanism of technique. Anyway, just making a point not arrogance :)
I thought in the Korean videos the coach was instructing the student to rotate/thrust with the hips/pelvis, not just turning at the waist and shoulders. The hip rotation is a fundamental building block of good forehand mechanics. It's the link in the kinetic chain between the legs and the upper torso.
In the Japanese video where Yassun is demonstrating his forehand to Gucchy, I thought the main takeaway is the change to Gucchy's contact: from a predominantly brushing contact to one with a bit more hitting. In effect, Yassun was demonstrating a topspin drive/ drive loop as compared to Gucchy's brush loop. Drive looping necessitates an earlier timing, which also contributes to shot speed.
Note at one point, according to the subtitles, Yassun speculated that Gucchy must be used to using Hurricane rubbers, based on his predominantly brushing contact.
This is 100% correct.
That said, at a later point in the video, Yassun discusses hip rotation as being distinct from weight transfer and says that as you are forced to play at a faster pace with quicker recovery, you are forced to avoid full weight transfer and play with quick hip usage.
This is what blahness uses to argue that a 2400 player like Guccy was doing it wrong and did not know the correct approach until Yassjn showed him to use the hips properly.
That is the problem with internet expertise.
I believe Gucchy has a better attitude than you, even when he is quite a high level player he is constantly learning and he is trying new things and improving himself. As I said it was a poor choice of words, I should have used suboptimal rather than wrong to describe his initial stroke.
Btw you have changed your goalposts significantly. First you say that Gucchy was faking it as there was no way he could have made such a big change in his stroke in one session. Then you said because it was a "minor" change so Yassun was able to easily fix Gucchy's stroke. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
I just don't like your high and mighty posting attitude on this thread in particular, that's all. Rather than offering helpful advice you were focused more on attacking fellow posters and derailing the thread, a really unproductive endeavour.
I am sorry you don't like my attitude but I obviously don't like yours either. Let's just call it a draw. My attitude is not high and mighty, my attitude is very simple.
And when I said Gucci was faking it, I said I was speculating, but as you can see, others have found my position plausible. And if you had said suboptimal, then that is much better than what you said, because you knew your original post was taking an unspoken jab at me when all I said was that it was club level knowledge. But do you really believe the OP in the first video is doing something optimal? Of course, he is learning the correct concept and form, but he still has ways to go.
As for whether my advice is helpful, I leave that to you. I just don't like it when people parrot stuff. I prefer when they speak from their own experiences.
To quote your original post which I'll leave here for everyone else to judge:
If you want me to discuss the original topic, use of the body to get more power is basic club level table tennis, and I don't even think what is described above is the most advanced version of it.
The fact is that there has been quite productive discussions later on directly disproves what you think is "basic club level table tennis".
It'll be helpful if you stuck to actually contributing rather than posting discouraging comments and personal attacks.
It
IF you play in a club in the USA, you have been exposed to these ideas. Whether you do it or not is your prerogative. And I am happy you find the discussions productive. I am still looking for someone to teach me something, rather than pretend to know more than they actually do.
This post speaks for itself, the arrogant attitude of an amateur player...
I thought in the Korean videos the coach was instructing the student to rotate/thrust with the hips/pelvis, not just turning at the waist and shoulders. The hip rotation is a fundamental building block of good forehand mechanics. It's the link in the kinetic chain between the legs and the upper torso.
In the Japanese video where Yassun is demonstrating his forehand to Gucchy, I thought the main takeaway is the change to Gucchy's contact: from a predominantly brushing contact to one with a bit more hitting. In effect, Yassun was demonstrating a topspin drive/ drive loop as compared to Gucchy's brush loop. Drive looping necessitates an earlier timing, which also contributes to shot speed.
Note at one point, according to the subtitles, Yassun speculated that Gucchy must be used to using Hurricane rubbers, based on his predominantly brushing contact.
This is 100% correct.
That said, at a later point in the video, Yassun discusses hip rotation as being distinct from weight transfer and says that as you are forced to play at a faster pace with quicker recovery, you are forced to avoid full weight transfer and play with quick hip usage.
This is what blahness uses to argue that a 2400 player like Guccy was doing it wrong and did not know the correct approach until Yassjn showed him to use the hips properly.
That is the problem with internet expertise.
I believe Gucchy has a better attitude than you, even when he is quite a high level player he is constantly learning and he is trying new things and improving himself. As I said it was a poor choice of words, I should have used suboptimal rather than wrong to describe his initial stroke.
Btw you have changed your goalposts significantly. First you say that Gucchy was faking it as there was no way he could have made such a big change in his stroke in one session. Then you said because it was a "minor" change so Yassun was able to easily fix Gucchy's stroke. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
I just don't like your high and mighty posting attitude on this thread in particular, that's all. Rather than offering helpful advice you were focused more on attacking fellow posters and derailing the thread, a really unproductive endeavour.
I am sorry you don't like my attitude but I obviously don't like yours either. Let's just call it a draw. My attitude is not high and mighty, my attitude is very simple.
And when I said Gucci was faking it, I said I was speculating, but as you can see, others have found my position plausible. And if you had said suboptimal, then that is much better than what you said, because you knew your original post was taking an unspoken jab at me when all I said was that it was club level knowledge. But do you really believe the OP in the first video is doing something optimal? Of course, he is learning the correct concept and form, but he still has ways to go.
As for whether my advice is helpful, I leave that to you. I just don't like it when people parrot stuff. I prefer when they speak from their own experiences.
To quote your original post which I'll leave here for everyone else to judge:
If you want me to discuss the original topic, use of the body to get more power is basic club level table tennis, and I don't even think what is described above is the most advanced version of it.
The fact is that there has been quite productive discussions later on directly disproves what you think is "basic club level table tennis".
It'll be helpful if you stuck to actually contributing rather than posting discouraging comments and personal attacks.
It
IF you play in a club in the USA, you have been exposed to these ideas. Whether you do it or not is your prerogative. And I am happy you find the discussions productive. I am still looking for someone to teach me something, rather than pretend to know more than they actually do.
I thought in the Korean videos the coach was instructing the student to rotate/thrust with the hips/pelvis, not just turning at the waist and shoulders. The hip rotation is a fundamental building block of good forehand mechanics. It's the link in the kinetic chain between the legs and the upper torso.
In the Japanese video where Yassun is demonstrating his forehand to Gucchy, I thought the main takeaway is the change to Gucchy's contact: from a predominantly brushing contact to one with a bit more hitting. In effect, Yassun was demonstrating a topspin drive/ drive loop as compared to Gucchy's brush loop. Drive looping necessitates an earlier timing, which also contributes to shot speed.
Note at one point, according to the subtitles, Yassun speculated that Gucchy must be used to using Hurricane rubbers, based on his predominantly brushing contact.
This is 100% correct.
That said, at a later point in the video, Yassun discusses hip rotation as being distinct from weight transfer and says that as you are forced to play at a faster pace with quicker recovery, you are forced to avoid full weight transfer and play with quick hip usage.
This is what blahness uses to argue that a 2400 player like Guccy was doing it wrong and did not know the correct approach until Yassjn showed him to use the hips properly.
That is the problem with internet expertise.
I believe Gucchy has a better attitude than you, even when he is quite a high level player he is constantly learning and he is trying new things and improving himself. As I said it was a poor choice of words, I should have used suboptimal rather than wrong to describe his initial stroke.
Btw you have changed your goalposts significantly. First you say that Gucchy was faking it as there was no way he could have made such a big change in his stroke in one session. Then you said because it was a "minor" change so Yassun was able to easily fix Gucchy's stroke. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
I just don't like your high and mighty posting attitude on this thread in particular, that's all. Rather than offering helpful advice you were focused more on attacking fellow posters and derailing the thread, a really unproductive endeavour.
I am sorry you don't like my attitude but I obviously don't like yours either. Let's just call it a draw. My attitude is not high and mighty, my attitude is very simple.
And when I said Gucci was faking it, I said I was speculating, but as you can see, others have found my position plausible. And if you had said suboptimal, then that is much better than what you said, because you knew your original post was taking an unspoken jab at me when all I said was that it was club level knowledge. But do you really believe the OP in the first video is doing something optimal? Of course, he is learning the correct concept and form, but he still has ways to go.
As for whether my advice is helpful, I leave that to you. I just don't like it when people parrot stuff. I prefer when they speak from their own experiences.
To quote your original post which I'll leave here for everyone else to judge:
If you want me to discuss the original topic, use of the body to get more power is basic club level table tennis, and I don't even think what is described above is the most advanced version of it.
The fact is that there has been quite productive discussions later on directly disproves what you think is "basic club level table tennis".
It'll be helpful if you stuck to actually contributing rather than posting discouraging comments and personal attacks.
I thought in the Korean videos the coach was instructing the student to rotate/thrust with the hips/pelvis, not just turning at the waist and shoulders. The hip rotation is a fundamental building block of good forehand mechanics. It's the link in the kinetic chain between the legs and the upper torso.
In the Japanese video where Yassun is demonstrating his forehand to Gucchy, I thought the main takeaway is the change to Gucchy's contact: from a predominantly brushing contact to one with a bit more hitting. In effect, Yassun was demonstrating a topspin drive/ drive loop as compared to Gucchy's brush loop. Drive looping necessitates an earlier timing, which also contributes to shot speed.
Note at one point, according to the subtitles, Yassun speculated that Gucchy must be used to using Hurricane rubbers, based on his predominantly brushing contact.
This is 100% correct.
That said, at a later point in the video, Yassun discusses hip rotation as being distinct from weight transfer and says that as you are forced to play at a faster pace with quicker recovery, you are forced to avoid full weight transfer and play with quick hip usage.
This is what blahness uses to argue that a 2400 player like Guccy was doing it wrong and did not know the correct approach until Yassjn showed him to use the hips properly.
That is the problem with internet expertise.
I believe Gucchy has a better attitude than you, even when he is quite a high level player he is constantly learning and he is trying new things and improving himself. As I said it was a poor choice of words, I should have used suboptimal rather than wrong to describe his initial stroke.
Btw you have changed your goalposts significantly. First you say that Gucchy was faking it as there was no way he could have made such a big change in his stroke in one session. Then you said because it was a "minor" change so Yassun was able to easily fix Gucchy's stroke. You can't have your cake and eat it too!
I just don't like your high and mighty posting attitude on this thread in particular, that's all. Rather than offering helpful advice you were focused more on attacking fellow posters and derailing the thread, a really unproductive endeavour.
I am sorry you don't like my attitude but I obviously don't like yours either. Let's just call it a draw. My attitude is not high and mighty, my attitude is very simple.
And when I said Gucci was faking it, I said I was speculating, but as you can see, others have found my position plausible. And if you had said suboptimal, then that is much better than what you said, because you knew your original post was taking an unspoken jab at me when all I said was that it was club level knowledge. But do you really believe the OP in the first video is doing something optimal? Of course, he is learning the correct concept and form, but he still has ways to go.
As for whether my advice is helpful, I leave that to you. I just don't like it when people parrot stuff. I prefer when they speak from their own experiences.
Split steps help to preload your leg muscles and get your knees bent and weight centered. This increases response quickness and power by a lot. Absolutely worth working on this if your body can take the extra stress.
Fatt... thanks for that link! As mentioned, I'm tall and I do not consistently stay low, but that key thought of "bouncing with the ball" may do the trick!
Bouncing with the ball is cute a name. It’s just another teaching trick though, but when a trick promotes efficiency so well, it may be a model.
There is harmony, and for some, beauty (dance with the ball?), in efficiency. I think we, human, are wired to be pleased when we see it; probably 100s other animals too, isn’t it a major factor in survival?
The “bounce with the ball” rhythm is more visible in the women’s game. Men got it but raw power masks it; also maybe that’s not the main area of focus when growing up learning the game. As adults, this is something we learn with a pro coach because the speed of the block must adapt up and down to the students’ shot to keep the tempo and support them.
But again, it’s just a teaching tool that demands a controlled environment. In match play it’s called imposing our game, dominating.
edit: about your height, I like the idea of running with a gliding technique, not pushing too much on my feet so I do not fight against gravity and go forward instead up. It hurts the shins so much at first. As a runner do you find this of value? It seems to me the best lateral and pivot tt footwork is when gliding, pushing on the feet just what it takes and minimize how high they go. From there more is waste of time, energy and joints.
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