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dragon kid wrote: Speedy, the earlier post is because only one vid included in the first post. In the first video, wyatt didn't look very good, he said himself he was tired. And Gatz who know him personally, also said that he is actually better than the 1st vid..Though I would not go as low as 1500, in the 1st vid I will go for 1900 give or take 100 points. After seing both vids, I'll go with 2000 plus minus 100 points..I like the 1st vid better because wyatt has to work more for his points. While in the 2nd, his opponent made too many mistakes (go for a winner all too soon and too often). But in the 2nd vid, wyatt looks better, probably because the way the other guy plays suits wyatt's style better..@wyatt, 2nd vid 6:50, those are the kind of loops you need to make when you need to open up before you kill. You do look better after I saw both videos.. It's not easy to look good on videos, but you look good on them, so in reality you probably are even better..

To be honest, I've only watched the first video. Was about to comment about it, but ran out of time, but was going to say 1800-2000, then when I come back, I see people estimating his level to 1500 from that video. Now, that is a case of some one who seriously over-estimates the skill needed to advance in the Usatt rating system. If he plays even better in the second video, then APW might be right with his higher estimation.

Every video I've seen of US players around 1500 shows me a garage player or very early days for a club player. This guy seems around 2000 US

smackman wrote: I think if you can improve your backhand return of service your whole game will improve, you give away 4-6 points every game

no tournaments in our area till august. :-) Im from Philippines btw.

From what Ive seen the level where the standard offensive looper can be expected to safely loop (loop solidly, not some lob-loop) most nastyish game-situation long pushes (i.e. more than say 70-80% of the time), which is about the same level where people start to try counterlooping in-game is about 2000? Below that its more swing and pray, often driving against the spin and hope for the best, and they usually hit way harder and flatter than necessary so its much harder to counterloop anyway.

In a system where theres no real regular league play, just tournaments, its probably not enough official matches to stabilize ratings. And as we know (at lower levels of ) TT style mismatches and just how you feel on that day can make a huge difference.

New Zealand seems to mainly follow the British/Aus league system, so teams of 3 and you play every week.

For interest where I used to live we had something like 8 divisions, so division 4 was where most slightly coached people started, (below that theres not many players). Div 3 was about the level where was about US1500 - 1600 I think (one div 3ish guy went to US and was 1600+ after a tournament). Usually div 3 and 4 are mainly used to gain experience, since playing proper games and winning them is quite different from training. Usually those people who just play league matches for years without too much practicing or coaching end up at div3 at most. Most fit players with semi-decent technique, some coaching and some experience end up in Div 2, so maybe anywhere up to US 2000, maybe a touch less?

How is the "official" play like in the other places? What is the format like? What is the standard like? I am curious!

Since most youngish loopers follow a broadly similar development pattern, perhaps we as a forum can try to link some developmental-type descriptions to ratings?

Its crazy how big the variations are in the usatt estimates. Somebody is going to put some of the wttc footage thats going around and someone will say "hmm, 1600, you push too high, footwork looks nice tho" .


Edited by Vassily - 06/15/2011 at 6:28am

Thanks smackman.. 

yes theres a lot in youtube but what i want to know is the actual training program from the start to finish  (what to train first and so on..)  Anyone here went to training camp and could share the program?  or should I post another thread for this?

Wyatt: 

Edited by skip3119 - 12/07/2011 at 9:55pm

Hi,

richrf wrote: According to this chart, the average USATT player is about 1700.  http://www.usatt.org/member_rankings.shtml

  Here finaly got it , your official mytt USA rating is....... drum roll please

smackman wrote:   Here finaly got it , your official mytt USA rating is....... drum roll please 1200, 1300, 1500, 1500-1600, 1500-1900, 1600, 1650-1700, 1800+, 1800-2000, 1950-2150, 1999, 2000, 2000+, 2100, 2150 or estimated by one at 1500-2500  so you are a noob up to elete Mens team

if people are posting rating estimates, I'd be curious to see your own rating.

I'm 1450 or so: 2000 +- 150 based on this video, but could go higher based on adaptability to unorthodox games.

stigatt wrote: skip3119 wrote: Wyatt:    You may not like my assessment:  Looks like you are weaker than Joseph Cruz of the Philippines. Not sure if you know or have played Joseph or not.   Enjoyed your video.   Joseph Cruz is 2479! Lots of people are weaker than Joseph Cruz. :)

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Edited by skip3119 - 12/10/2011 at 12:00am

sahiggs100 wrote: smackman wrote:   Here finaly got it , your official mytt USA rating is....... drum roll please 1200, 1300, 1500, 1500-1600, 1500-1900, 1600, 1650-1700, 1800+, 1800-2000, 1950-2150, 1999, 2000, 2000+, 2100, 2150 or estimated by one at 1500-2500  so you are a noob up to elete Mens team   That's why I seriously wonder about people's ability to estimate rating from a video!  Sometimes I think people are just throwing a number out there.

Or you can leave it to a poster who actually has the authority to recommend your initial rating to our referee, submit it to USATT and be accepted as such... me.