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    Posted: 11/15/2011 at 1:30am
My 10 year old son Alex was playing at a country-wide tournament last Saturday and I recorded some video. 

He is learning TT for about a year and started playing with short pips this September. He likes the style very much despite many people around are saying that he must play shakehand (he actually can play shakehand for fun, but he thinks that it's too obvious). So, I'm posting two matches here, any advises and opinions are welcome.

He is the penholder at the table number 6 Smile





His setup: BTY Primo Vitesse CS, FH: Palio Flying Dragon, BH: Palio Blitz 47.5deg 2.0mm


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Originally posted by stefashka stefashka wrote:

My 10 year old son Alex was playing at a country-wide tournament last Saturday and I recorded some video. 

He is learning TT for about a year and started playing with short pips this September. He likes the style very much despite many people around are saying that he must play shakehand (he actually can play shakehand for fun, but he thinks that it's too obvious). So, I'm posting two matches here, any advises and opinions are welcome.

He is the penholder at the table number 6 Smile





His setup: BTY Primo Vitesse CS, FH: Palio Flying Dragon, BH: Palio Blitz 47.5deg 2.0mm

that blade is too fast for a 10yo, i would recomend a yasaka extra or stiga off cr
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i like the coaching in the beginning of the second video (table 5): "molodets, molodets, molodets" Big smile
the redhead kid chos alot too. is this in russia? somewhere in eastern europe?


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Take a guess it's in Moldova since that's where stefashka is
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 that blade is too fast for a 10yo, i would recomend a yasaka extra or stiga off cr

Well, I don't think it's too fast. It's marked as an OFF+, but it's slow as OFF-, definitely not faster than my Donic WSC... Yasaka Extra is too flexy for short pips, I have no idea about Stiga Off yet. But from my feeling the entire setup is not too fast for Alex because he handles it well when he's concentrated and performs proper footwork and swing. 


Originally posted by </span><span =Apple-style-span style=font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 19px; >DreiZ</span><span =Apple-style-span style=: rgb255, 255, 255; > DreiZ wrote:

the redhead kid chos alot too. is this in russia? somewhere in eastern europe?

Mine chos after each point he wins, I'm fighting with it, but the most success was to make it not too loud on non-key points. It's Moldova, many people are still speaking Russian here.

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Palio Blitz 47.5deg 
too hard for little boy..
just too difficult to generate spin.
 
Personally, I don't recommand pips.
it might gain some advantage in beginning, but will very hard when get into high level.
 
 


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Originally posted by stefashka stefashka wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 that blade is too fast for a 10yo, i would recomend a yasaka extra or stiga off cr

Well, I don't think it's too fast. It's marked as an OFF+, but it's slow as OFF-, definitely not faster than my Donic WSC... Yasaka Extra is too flexy for short pips, I have no idea about Stiga Off yet. But from my feeling the entire setup is not too fast for Alex because he handles it well when he's concentrated and performs proper footwork and swing. 


Originally posted by </span><span Apple-style-span=Apple-style-span style=font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 19px; >DreiZ</span><span Apple-style-span=Apple-style-span style=: rgb255, 255, 255; > DreiZ wrote:

the redhead kid chos alot too. is this in russia? somewhere in eastern europe?

Mine chos after each point he wins, I'm fighting with it, but the most success was to make it not too loud on non-key points. It's Moldova, many people are still speaking Russian here.



clipper  or dippèr d-13
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Дети прямо прелесть.
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Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

Дети прямо прелесть.

Согласен Smile  

I agree. I think that it's actually good that I didn't make the angle more narrow so it's possible to see how other kids play.

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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

clipper  or dippèr d-13

I think Clipper would be way too fast and Dipper would be too heavy for him. So far, it's nearly the best setup for him as I see it. The only thing I really want to change is the BH rubber because I too think it's really too hard for him, so I think of 42deg Blitz 2.0 or maybe something more thinner - I discovered that Tibhar Genius 1.8 I got from my friend is a very nice RPB rubber...
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Originally posted by stefashka stefashka wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

clipper  or dippèr d-13

I think Clipper would be way too fast and Dipper would be too heavy for him. So far, it's nearly the best setup for him as I see it. The only thing I really want to change is the BH rubber because I too think it's really too hard for him, so I think of 42deg Blitz 2.0 or maybe something more thinner - I discovered that Tibhar Genius 1.8 I got from my friend is a very nice RPB rubber...

light blade and fast, i ve never seen a blade to meet that requirements,maybe andro or kokutaku laser carbon ,joola bomb mc  78gr but not quite solid
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Tibhar Patrik Chila is light and fast. Its carbon upgrade is even faster.
 
Not to mention T-11 with its 65 g and Off++
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Originally posted by bayttplayer bayttplayer wrote:

Palio Blitz 47.5deg 
too hard for little boy..
just too difficult to generate spin.

I tend to agree, but when his wrist goes explosive, he already generates tons of spin by his RPB. Probably, I'll go both ways - change to a softer rubber and work on his wrist explosiveness. 

Originally posted by bayttplayer bayttplayer wrote:

Personally, I don't recommand pips.
it might gain some advantage in beginning, but will very hard when get into high level.

Oh well. I believe that Short Pips are better in the early stages and it'll be much easier to switch to inverted whenever he wants to (in fact, I already see that his touch and loops with inverted  rubbers hugely progressed when he switches to shakehand). SP don't give any real advantages at that level, only problems when no proper technique is developed - they don't produce weird balls and it's more difficult to generate spin with them than with inverted. I guess you are talking about Long Pips which is not the case here.
 
 

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man, how I wish this was the table tennis culture in the U.S.
 
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классно играет. мне понравилось. но издалека не разлядеть деталей. Я тоже кстати пером играю, но пока без шипов :) они еще в пути, посоветовали поставить, попробую как второй вариант. Кстати, слева у меня ХИОМ Вега Евро 2.0, очень контрольная, начинать хорошо, в меру быстрая. Может видео появится, когда шипами попробую поиграть :)

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Originally posted by tims89 tims89 wrote:

классно играет. мне понравилось. но издалека не разлядеть деталей. Я тоже кстати пером играю, но пока без шипов :) они еще в пути, посоветовали поставить, попробую как второй вариант. Кстати, слева у меня ХИОМ Вега Евро 2.0, очень контрольная, начинать хорошо, в меру быстрая. Может видео появится, когда шипами попробую поиграть :)

Ну, вот и дождался первого комментария об игре LOL  Спасибо!   Шипы хороши при игре пером и близко у стола. Они просто созданы друг для друга - я сам это понял, когда шутки ради наклеил шипы малого себе на дерево. Сейчас практикую и вращательную, и ударную техники (переворачивая ракетку) и, наверное, то же буду предлагать и сыну через некоторое время -  это слегка ломает людям план игры, главное - не заморочить себя при этом Smile  Xiom Vega Euro очень близка к Blitz - наверное, к 42-градусной версии, надо проверить. По игре шипом рекомендую посмотреть раздел видео на OOAK - у них там есть подборки, которые могут помочь при первых шагах. И pipfacts.info. Удачи!

Finally, I see the first comment about his play LOL  Thank you!  Pips are really good playing pehnold close to table. They are simply made for each other - I found it myself when put my kid's short pips onto my blade just for fun. Now, I play both looping and hitting techniques (using twiddling) and probably will propose the same practice to my son - I found it a bit disturbing for opponents if not heavily overused Smile  Xiom Vega Euro is very close to Blitz - probably the 42deg version, I will check it. About SP penhold, I would recommend you to look at the OOAK forum - there is a video section with basic tutorials there. Also, take a look at pipfacts.info. Good luck!
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Спасибо за ссылку, столько информации там, каждый шаг обговорен.
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Originally posted by stefashka stefashka wrote:

Originally posted by bayttplayer bayttplayer wrote:

Palio Blitz 47.5deg 
too hard for little boy..
just too difficult to generate spin.

I tend to agree, but when his wrist goes explosive, he already generates tons of spin by his RPB. Probably, I'll go both ways - change to a softer rubber and work on his wrist explosiveness. 

Originally posted by bayttplayer bayttplayer wrote:

Personally, I don't recommand pips.
it might gain some advantage in beginning, but will very hard when get into high level.

Oh well. I believe that Short Pips are better in the early stages and it'll be much easier to switch to inverted whenever he wants to (in fact, I already see that his touch and loops with inverted  rubbers hugely progressed when he switches to shakehand). SP don't give any real advantages at that level, only problems when no proper technique is developed - they don't produce weird balls and it's more difficult to generate spin with them than with inverted. I guess you are talking about Long Pips which is not the case here.
 
 


guo yuehua and xi enting started like pips cpens and they turned to smooth and both were world chmapions
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 guo yuehua and xi enting started like pips cpens and they turned to smooth and both were world chmapions

Oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the info!

I'm constantly telling my son's coach that it won't be a problem at all to him to go inverted, but if he wants to learn something more complex - that would be an advantage. IMO, playing with short pips requires better footwork, better feel of the racket, more work on spinnig the ball, better  use of placement and deception  comparing to inverted. 
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