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Wow, you make beautiful blades. If I woulda known about your company when I made my purchase I definitely woulda chose you. My next blade will definitely be from you. By the way... your emblem looks like a marijuana plant, I don't care but other might. Once again... I am definitely impressed.
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Originally posted by hungga hungga wrote:

Oh well, it's clearly 7 ply if I look at it from the metal emblem on the handle side.
This is 7 ply blade.
The structure of this blade is the same with LISSOM.
But this has bigger head.
 
The reason I make this blade is because modern defensive style players in Korea really liked to play with my LISSOM.
They asked me to make special big sise LISSOM.
That's the reason I made this blade.
 
Here is one video clip.
The player is using original size LISSOM.
 
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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

Nexy: Could you please explain a little about the Yinhe blades that are for sale on your site? There is no information about them... but they may be the most beautiful blades I've ever seen in my life! Shocked

Very expensive, though. Ouch

(Also, your Laurel blade is absolutely gorgeous! Clap)


Thank you for the inquiry.
 
WENGE is also spicy blade in Korea.
People wants to test it, but it's too expensive.
 
As far as I know, WENGE blades are not easy to make.
The wood is very damp, and it release oily liquid for long years.
And also very hard to cut.
So, YINHE took some years to find the way to make use of this wood material.
 
Regarding nano carbon tech, I think it's not much to be interested in.
It's only cabon pouder mixed in the glue between plys.
 
Any way, they are really great blades.
I'm also testing one my own.
I like it.
 
 
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Labyrinthos will come to NEXY.com very soon.
 
I think this blade will be a big hit.
I did all ideal things I can do for this OX defender blade.
 
 
 
Fore hand side - TWO limba plys
 
 
 
back hand side : one koto ply
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Well project in Africa

Here are several pictures.
The first survey was done.
And the site seems to have a rock, and the expense will be huge.
So, now we checked some other places, and finally found a good site.
 
By the way, these pictures are from the first survey.
 

 
 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 
 
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Nexy,

I have 2 questions for you regarding blade design:

1. I was one of the tester for Nexy Ikarus and throughly enjoyed playing with it. I passed it around to some of my club mates and the LP OX blockers really liked it. How much different is the Labyrinthos from the Nexy Ikarus and what is the blade size specification. Also what is the construction of the blade.

2. I currently use defensive blades and have always been longing for a better FH. I played with the Violin and really liked the feel but hated the vibrations. How does the Lissom Aegis feel in comparison and what is it's size specification? Did you change the construction of the blade from the Lissom to the Aegis. As soon as I save some money I'll be in the market for the Lissom.
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Originally posted by metallikviper metallikviper wrote:

Nexy,

I have 2 questions for you regarding blade design:

1. I was one of the tester for Nexy Ikarus and throughly enjoyed playing with it. I passed it around to some of my club mates and the LP OX blockers really liked it. How much different is the Labyrinthos from the Nexy Ikarus and what is the blade size specification. Also what is the construction of the blade.
 
- Thank you for your work for testing IKARUS.
   labyrinthos : 155 x 165 mm
   Ikarus : 150 x 159mm
 
   Construction : Ikarus - koto / balsa / carbon / balsa / balsa - koto
                           Labyrinthos - Limba / Limba / balsa / carbon / balsa / balsa / koto
 
  Differences : There are big big big....differences between them.
                       Ikarus is made for the OX attacker.
                       Labyrinthos is made for the OX blocker.
                       Labyrinthos has slower speed than Ikarus on it's back hand side.
                      
                       Ikarus is good when you play attacking shots close to the net.
                       But not very good at blockng powerful looping.
                       But Labyrinthos has better stabbility toward loopings.

2. I currently use defensive blades and have always been longing for a better FH. I played with the Violin and really liked the feel but hated the vibrations. How does the Lissom Aegis feel in comparison and what is it's size specification? Did you change the construction of the blade from the Lissom to the Aegis. As soon as I save some money I'll be in the market for the Lissom.
 
 Lissom Aegis is good for traditional defender or modern defender.
 It's very comfortable from away, and makes immense power shot away from the table, for chopping and aslo for loopiong.
 
But if has small vibration with OX close to the table, as ikarus or labyrinthos.
So, I think this blade is good for chopper, with pimple out rubbers together with sponge.
 
The structure of Lissom Aegis is the same with Lissom, but it has different handle.
Because I changed the sweet spot for bigger size.
 

 
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Dear fellow players!! (Hopefully from all over the world~!!)

Here I have a news!!
It's about my nexy site's spcial discount promotion, celebrating Christmas!!
Please, have a look at it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Merry Christmas !

Nexy opened a new discount page for Chrismas
Please, have a look at this page.

http://www.nexy.com/shop/step_submain.php?b_code=B20101209043624

New items will be updated more into that page.

I'm planning to insert Stiga shoes into that page tomorrow.
And you will meet Tenergy with USD 50 only until Christmas.
Enjoy NEXY's special discount event~!!
 
 



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Finally.... Labyrinthos is out in the market.
Please, have a look at it.
This is very creative in many ways.


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How I developed LABYRINTHOS
 
 
This is a production note of "Labyrinthos".
I wrote it in Korean first, so here I will try to translate it into Enlgish.
I hope this kind of translation will help your understanding of the whole concept about Labyrinthos, without losing any small part I wrote in Korean report.
 
 
라비린토스 블레이드에 대해서는 뭔가 제대로 된 제작 후기를 올려볼 가치가 있는 듯 해서 작심하고 글을 적습니다.
 
I made up my mind to write something about Labyrinthos, for I think this blade deserves it quite a lot. 
 
"넥시"라는 브랜드가 갖는 독특성이 있다면 그것은 무엇일지, 또 무엇이어야 하는지에 대해서 매우 자주 생각합니다. 비록 좋은 제품을 만든다고 하더라도 넥시만이 갖는 넥시적인 것을 유지하지 못한다면 브랜드로서의 생명, 가치 같은 것들은 유지되기 어렵겠지요.
 
I think much about what NEXY means, and what it must mean.
If it's only about making something good, then it would not inevitably mean that it has to be NEXY.
Nexy has to keep somthing NEXY, and only then NEXY will survive as it is in the market, and also in the people's understandings, which is the only way to make it successful as a unique brand.
 
또한 적어도 한국 시장에서 인정받는 제품이 세계 제일의 제품이라는 그런 자부심을 이어 가려면 철저하게 연구 분석되고 인내와 절제에 의해 가치가 존중 되어야 한다는 생각을 항상 합니다.
 
Besides it has to outgrow what is generally accepted "OK" in the global market, then I can make people believe that something good in Korean market can be also good in the international market.

외관이나 구성 등이 타사 제품을 그대로 따라 했다는 생각은 들지만 그것보다는 가격이 싸서 구매할 수 있다는 그런 어설픈 따라하기 브랜드와 같아져서도 안 될 것이고, 후발 주자인 만큼 선발 주자들의 장단점을 분석하여 더 나은 제품을 만들어야 한다는 부담감 및 이점이 있으되 단순히 더 나은 제품에서 머무르지 말고 다른 제품, 독특한 제품, 흉내낸 점이 없는 창의적인 제품이어야 한다는 생각이 제 마음 속에는 항상 지배적입니다.

Nexy must not copy or follow other brands in any form, even it's only about shape, and must not appeal for people with cheaper price only. As a beggining new brand, NEXY has to study all past products, but can not stay there, and has to exceed what others could not attain easily. It can only be unique and new, if it really wants to go further than somewhere others reached. 

 
 
이번에 제작된 라비린토스 블레이드는 그런 점에서 매우 독특한 하나의 컨셉을 수년간 이어온, 그러므로 가장 넥시적인 블레이드라고 말할 수 있을 법하다고 생각합니다.

바로 카본층 한겹을 블레이드의 3분의 1 지점에 삽입하는 방식인데요, 예전에 주인백님과 같이 공동작업 할 때 블레이드의 형상과 손잡이 디자인은 주인백님께서 했지만 블레이드 전체 두께와 구성 형태는 제가 직접 디자인해서 티바에 넘겨 주었지요.

In this point, LABYRINTHOS remains very unique and ceative in many aspects.
In the beginning, it starts with unique location of a carbon layer.
I, as a nexy designer, tried to locate one carbon layer one third of the blade, and this is the fifth blade ever done as such with this one third location.
I will show other four blades in the below.
 
 
그 당시 가장 많이 고민했던 것이 바로 백핸드와 포핸드 면을 어떻게 차등지어 줄 것인가 였습니다. 후일담이지만 이런 형태의 한장짜리 카본 블레이드, 특히 그 위치가 치우쳐져 있는 블레이드는 제작이 대단히 어렵습니다. 그 이유는 아래와 같습니다.
 
When I first designed this kind of OX blade, it was my main concern how to differentiate fore hand side from back hand side.
But this kind of structure is really hard to make. Here are the reasons. 
 

1. 불균형성 : 블레이드 양측이 다르게 조합될 때 불량률이 매우 높습니다. 물리적으로 설명드릴 제주는 없습니다만 양측이 다르게 접합되면 접착면이 일어나거나 변형될 확률이 높아서 일반적으로 이런 방식의 제조를 거의하지 않습니다.

1. Uncompatibilty on both sides : If we mix layers different on both sides, it's very likely to start to break off. I don't know the reason clearly, but it's not easy to make a blade with different structure on both sides. It easily start to take off in the middle. 
 
 
2. 접착 : 제가 원하는 블레이드는 발사층의 사이에 카본층을 넣는 것인데 발사목이 일정 강도를 갖지 않으면 카본층에 접착이 참 어렵습니다. 발사목 자체가 워낙 무르기 때문에 카본층의 결에 따라 누려 버리고 그 눌린 틈새로 글루층이 벌어지면서 접착면 전체가 떠 버리는 현상이 자주 벌어질 수 있지요.
 
2. Gluing durability : It's extremely difficult to glue and joint balsa wood together with carbon layer.
Balsa is very weak material, and if we try to glue and press, then it becomes dent and broken. So, this must be very sensitive and careful process to glue and joint balsa wood with carbon layer.
 
 
 
이상 양측이 다를 때 일어날 수 있는 현상, 그리고 발사층에 카본을 결합하는 문제 등 어려운 난제를 가지고 첫 도전을 했던 것이 무시로라는 블레이드 였으며 곧 이어 소풍도 제작이 되었지요.
 
With these problems, I dared to try two blades. One is made by Tibhar, named "Musiro" and the other one is made by "Hallmark" and named "Sopoong".
 

<MUSIRO>

 

두 블레이드가 어려운 과정을 거쳐 탄생되었기 때문에 그 이후 이 블레이드를 흉내낸 유사 블레이드들이 타사에서 출시되지 않았던 것입니다. 아마 타사에서 제작한다고 하더라도 발사목에 직접 카본을 붙이는 문제도 난제인데다가 양측 균형이 안 맞는 문제까지 겹쳐 있으니 쉽게 예쓰라고 답하기 어려웠을 것입니다.

Due to it's difficulties to produce, I think other brand did not try to make something similiar to them, even though those blades were really big success in Korean market.
I think other brand would not succeed in gluing balsa wood on one thin carbon layer.
Actually, from those Musiro and Sopoong, some blades became defect due to those factors.
 
 

이 두 블레이드를 가지고 시장에 접근한 결과 몇 가직 아쉬움이 남았습니다. 소풍의 경우는 지나치게 얇은 두께로 블레이드의 힘이 부족하다는 아쉬움이 있었고 무시로의 경우는 포핸드의 파워를 좀 더 주면 어떨까 하는 것이었죠.그래서 다시 출시된 제품이 미라지였습니다.

Any way, after those two blades, still I thought I need to make up for some more power. And that's how I made MILARGE by Tibhar. 

미라지의 경우는 양쪽면에 림바층을 더하여 파워가 더해지면서 힘있는 돌출 블레이드로 각인되었고 무시로와 함께 지금까지 많은 인기를 누려 왔습니다.

아쉬운 점은 만약 포핸드면만 두겹을 더하고 백핸드 면은 한겹만 했더라면 어땠을까 하는 점인데, 결국 이런 생각이 반영된 것이 지금의 라비린토스라고 할 수 있습니다.

MILARGE added one more Limba layers on both sides of MUSIRO. And it has been know as good powerful OX blade in Korea until now. I think if I had made this blade with one Limba on back hand side, then it would have been more successful in the market, but that would be almost the same blade as today's Labyrinthos.
 

<MILARGE>

 

이처럼 3종류의 블레이드를 타사의 이름을 빌어 출시한 이후 돌출 전형에 새로운 변화가 일어났죠. 바로 코팅 러버의 퇴출이었는데요, 표면 코팅으로 인해 롱핌플의 효과가 극대화된 러버들이 시장에서 물러나게 되었습니다.

After these three blades released in the market, there happened a big change in OX market.
ITTF expelled too much slippery rubbers, (which rubbers are coated with plastic sealings) and OX players could not much rely on OX's variations as they did.
 
 
과거 변화량만으로 승부를 보던 전형상의 이점이 크게 상쇄되어 가면서 조금 더 공격적인 전형으로 바꾸지 않으면 돌출 전형만으로 큰 이점을 보기 어려워 지겠다 싶은 상황이 되었습니다. 바로 이 시점에서 개발하게 된 것이 넥시의 이름으로 발표된 이카루스였습니다.
 
As the change makes OX players lose big shaking effects from their OX rubbers, I thought it would be great if I could make faster but more attacking OX blade timely.
That's how I designed Nexy's first OX blade, IKARUS.

 

이카루스는 앞서 개발된 3종류의 블레이드와 마찬가지로 3분의 1 지점에 한장의 카본이 들어가 있지만 블레이드 사이즈가 작고 가벼운 볼터치와 빠른 스피드로 승부를 보는 매우 특이한 전형을 위한 블레이드라고 할 수 있습니다. 소비자들의 경우도 변화 만으로 승부를 보기 어렵겠다고 판단을 하고 좀더 공격적인 돌출 플레이를 하고 싶다고 생각하신 분들이 이 블레이드를 선택하기 시작했지요.

IKARUS has the same location of one carbon layer as other 3 blades; one third in the middle, but is focuses on quick and easier movement. I don't think it has a big market, because OX attackers are not easy to meet everyday, but I knew that many people will try to become more attacking with their OX blades, due to the change.
 
 

<LIKARUS>

 

이카루스의 경우는 특히 이처럼 공격적인 성향이 강하기 때문에 양면의 반발력을 구분했다는 독특한 특성과 함께 중펜 사용자들에게도 관심을 끌어 특이하게 중펜 버젼이 주문 제작되었습니다. 사실 중펜 사용자들에게 8밀리미터가 넘는 두께는 조금 두꺼울 수 있음에도 불구하고 공격적 성향을 더한 OX 블레이드라는 면에서 중펜 사용자들에게 어필할만 하다는 생각이 듭니다. 블레이드의 사이즈도 중펜 사용자에게 적절한 사이즈로 변형하고 손잡이의 모양새도 여러가지고 다듬은 이카루스 중펜 버젼은 꾸준히 중펜 사용자들의 관심을 얻고 있지요.

Owing to it's attacking character, many customers asked me to produce CS handle for Ikarus.
Normally, CS players prefer thin blade, because the blade comes into fingers, but people wanted to play with Ikarus CS, whether it's thick or not. So, I cut it more adaptable for CS players, and made a new head shape and handle design. This CS blade is still poplular in Korean market until today.
 

<IKARUS CS>

 

 

이처럼 4가지 종류의 OX 전용 블레이드들을 개발해 오면서 제 마음 속에 남는 가장 큰 관심은 바로 극단적은 포핸드면과 백핸드면의 차등화였습니다. 백핸드 면은 변화량을 극대화 해야 하고 러버만으로는 구현하기 어려운 변화량을 보증할 수 있는 구성을 만들어 내야 했습니다. 반면 포핸드면은 단순 반발력의 측면만이 아닌 궁극적인 공격 성향을 어떻게 만들어 내는가가 매우 중요했습니다.

While I made these 4 different blades, the final concern staying in me was how to differentiate fore hand side from back hand side, enough. It's not only about speed. It has to consider different function on both sides. On back hand side, I have to give big OX effect, but on the fore hand side, I need to give big power and spin. It's about how to maxmize it's attacking ability. 

그래서 고안한 것이 바로 현재의 라비린토스의 블레이드 구성입니다.

블레이드 3분의 1 지점에 가깝게 카본층을 위치한 것은 동일하지만 이카루스와 비교할 때 포핸드쪽 발사층의 두께를 조금 더 얇게 조정하여 포핸드쪽은 카본층의 효과를 좀더 많이 맛보게 하였습니다.

반면 표면층을 양쪽에 있어 극단적으로 다르게 구성하였습니다.

That's how I designed this labyrinthos' structure.
The location of one carbon layer is the same as before; one third in the middle.
But the balsa layer's thickness next to forehand side is thinner than for IKARUS, and you can feel the power of carbon layer more directly.
And the biggest difference is different materials for both sides.
 

 

바로 윗 단면 그림에서 보면 포핸드 면은 두겹의 림바층을 사용하여 파워를 높이고 백핸드면은 매우 얇은 코토층을 사용한 것을 아실 수 있을 겁니다.

As you can see from the above pictures, I used two layers of Limba on fore hand side, and one thin koto on back hand side. 

한 가지 특이한 면은 바로 이 코토층인데요, 한국에서는 일반적으로 매우 단단한 목재라고 알려진 반면 해외에서는 코토층을 부드러운 목재라고 알더 있더군요. 그래서 이 부분을 바로 이해하도록 해 주는 것이 필요할 듯 합니다. 코토층은 일반적으로 단단한 목재입니다. 다만 최근들어 출시된 인기 블레이드들이 이 층을 아주 앏게 해서 특수 소재들과 결합하여 배치한 결과 종합적인 타구감이 부드럽게 느껴지는 경우가 많이 있습니다. 그래서 아마 해외에서는 부드러운 소재로 잘못 알려진 듯 합니다.

I need to say some more about this koto surface. I found out that some people believe that KOTO is very soft material, but that's not true. KOTO is stiff and hard wood, but it can feel soft when we use it thin and mixed with soft structure. But it's not very soft in it's own character. 

라비린토스의 경우는 돌출 러버의 돌기 (column)가 충분히 돌출 효과를 보도록 하려면 단단한 표면층 위에 세워져 있어야 합니다. 만약 표면층이 부드럽게 싸안아 주는 구조라고 하면 돌기가 강하게 되튕기는 효과는 반감될 수 있겠지요. 그래서 단단한 소재인 코토층이 표면에 사용된 것입니다.

When I design OX blade, I think the best material for OX side must be hard wood. If not, then the impact of the ball can be absorbed into wood. The wooden layer needs to react to rubber column directly, and the whole cushion of the ball will fall on the column, then we can maximise the OX effect.

 

이런 경도의 측면을 생각한다면 다음 번 넥시의 돌출 블레이드는 백핸드 면이 티크 목재가 될 가능성도 있습니다. 혹시 Teak 소재에 대해서 잘 아시는 분이 있으시다면 조언을 좀 주세요. 물론 샘플 블레이드를 만들어 가면서 충분히 검토하겠지만 기본적인 정보라도 환영합니다.

In it's aspect, I think next time I might use TEAK for OX blade's back hand side. 

아무튼 백핸드 면은 이런 측면에서 코토층을 사용합니다. 다만 전반적으로 백핸드 면은 공격된 공을 순간적으로 조절해서 반구해야 하는 블로킹 빈도가 높으므로 안정감이 또한 중요합니다. 그래서 코토층을 아주 얇게 사용합니다. 만약 코토층이 두껍다면 변화도는 충분하겠지만 감싸 주는 효과는 줄어 들어서 컨트롤이 불안정할 수 있습니다. 그 결과 얇은 코토층의 사용으로 변화량은 극대화 하면서 순간적인 브로킹 안정도는 최대화 하였다고 할 수 있습니다.

Any way, I used KOTO for back hand side of Labyrinthos for this reason. I use think KOTO, by which I can make the feeling smooth, and give more stability on blocking, while I keep big effect on OX rubber side. And it's also very important to modulate an OX blade bigger, because bigger size give more stability for blocking and heavier weight which is also needed for comfortable blocking.

 

포핸드면은 최근에 넥시에서 스피어 블레이드를 제작하면서 새롭게 재평가 하게 된 림바 소재입니다.

일반적으로 림바는 부드럽고 감싸 안아 주는 타구감이 있다고 알려져 있지만 저는 이 소재로 강한 파워를 만들어 내는데 많은 노력을 기울이고 있습니다.

Regarding fore hand side, I used two LIMBA layers. I tested and studied LIMBA deeply when I designed SPEAR. Limba is generally known for it's embrasing feeling, but I tried to make it powerful spin generator when I designed SPEAR.
 
일례를 들면 스티가의 오펜시브 계열 블레이드들이 바로 이 림바의 감싸안아 주는 감각을 아주 효율적으로 사용하고 있다고 할 수 있는데요, 파워를 더하기 위해서 단순한 블레이드의 구성만으로는 달성하기 어려운 파워를 만들어 낸 것이 바로 스피어라고 할 수 있지요.
 
For an example, you can see that STIGA used LIMBA for it's offensive classic, because they thought it has good atttacking character, but I treid to give more power on SPEAR, by changing the basic idea about a blade from STIGA's offensive classic.

 스피어는 돌출 블레이드가 아니므로 추가적인 설명은 약하도록 하겠습니다.

 Any way, SPEAR is not OX blade, so I will not go further about it.

아무튼 이 스피어를 제작하면서 철저하게 분석하여 파고 든 재질이 바로 림바입니다. 림바는 겹수를 달리 했을 때 한겹과는 상당히 다른 파워를 보인다는 것을 알게 되었습니다.

앞서 미라지를 제작하면서도 경험한 바이지만 2겹이 되면서 드라이브시 발사층이 가질 수 있는 조금은 공허한 텅텅거림을 현저하게 상쇄시켜 주면서 블레이드에 실린 타구자의 힘을 백퍼센트 공에 전달하는 데 매우 효과적인 구조를 만들어 내는 것이 바로 라비린토스의 포핸드면이 추구하는 목표점이었는데, 이 목표를 세밀하게 충족시켜 준 것이 바로 림바 2겹의 표면 구조였습니다.

Any how, I came to realise that LIMBA can be different when we mix it with different wood structure than generally accepted form. I tested it when I designed MILARGE, and I was sure that two layers of LIMBA can be very good for powerful attacking, specially when I joint them with balsa wood. 

얼핏 보기에는 별로 신기할 것이 없는 당연한 추론인 것 같은데, 의외로 림바층을 2겹 겹쳐서 만든 블레이드들이 거의 없답니다. 나중에 이런 특성을 가미한 블레이드를 넥시에서 추가로 만들 가능성도 있다는 얘기이기도 하지요. ^^

It does not look special, but still I can not find any other blade using two LIMBA layers for the surface. Maybe this can be used for another blade concept next time for Nexy.

 

이제 블레이드의 형상과 디자인에 대한 얘기도 좀 해 보기로 하죠.

 (혹시 지루해 지신 것은 아니시죠? ^^)

 Let's say some more about blade shape and design.

(You are not bored yet, are you?)
 
 

블레이드의 형상에 대해서는 사실 여러 독창적인 시도들이 선재되어 왔습니다. 미라지와 무시로에서 보시듯이 조금 네모 모양에 가깝게 제작하는 것이 가장 안정도가 높고 OX 돌출의 효과를 극대화 하기 좋다는 것이 초기의 제 생각이었습니다. 그렇지만 실제 플레이 면에 있어서는 대상 플레이에 있어 조금 부족함이 있을 수 있다는 우려가 있었지요.

손목을 꺾어서 사용할 경우 블레이드 끝이 테이블에 닿을 가능성도 있구요, 기본적으로 블레이드면이 넓다 보니 아주 조금의 차이이긴 하지만 둔한 감도 있을 수 있습니다.

I tried many different shapes before. If you look at Musiro and Milarge, you will know that they seem to be little more rectangle than Labyrinthos' roundish face. I thought this rectangle face can gaurantee better control for blocking. But it can not be effective for playing close to the net.

When you play low with your wrist down, then you can touch the table surface with your blade's edge easily and also it can be dull in some way for the play on the table.
 
그렇다고 일반 블레이드처럼 작게 만들어 버리면 수비의 안정감은 현저하게 떨어지지요. 공격 전용을 표방한 이카루스라면 그것이 장점이 될 수 있지만 전통적인 롱핌플 OX 플레이어들을 겨냥한 라비린토스의 경우는 그렇게 하면 안 될 일이었습니다.

But also I can not make small size head, just the same as normal attacking blade, because then I will lose stability needed for an OX blade.

그래서 이번 라비린토스의 형상은 아주 아주 예민하면서도 섬세한 디자인이 필요한 부분이었죠. 많은 시타 후에 내린 결론은 기본 블레이드의 형상을 따르면서 그 크기를 늘리는 것이었습니다.

기본 블레이드의 형상이란 결론적으로 말하면 시간을 통해서 증명되어 온 효율성을 지닌 것이고 단시간에 더 나은 것을 만들기 어려운 종합적 완결성이 있는 형상이라고 할 수 있다는 생각입니다.

그러므로 그 모양을 차용하되 조금 더 독창적인 사이즈를 추구하였지요.

Therefore, for this general OX players' balde, Labyrinthos, I had to design on the shape with much special care. After many tests, I decided not to change the blade shape much different from normal blade, but just to make it bigger.
The generally accepted shape has been being tested by time, and I think this egg shape head is very ideal for most blades. But I had to make it bigger than normal attacking blade.
 
 
 
 
그래서 채택된 사이즈는 헤드 사이즈만 측정했을 때 155 x 165 mm 가 되었습니다.

 And that's how I decided it as 155 x 165mm.

아마 사용해 보신 분들이라면 이 사이즈가 갖는 여러가지 의미들을 느낄 수 있을 겁니다. 적정한 공격력, 수비력을 동시에 달성할 수 있는, 그러면서도 너무 둔하거나 너무 나대지 않을 수 있는 진중함을 동시에 지닌 이상적인 사이즈이지요. 이 사이즈는 또한 넥시의 리썸 스페셜이 갖는 사이즈이기도 합니다. 이 역시 여러가지로 연구된 결과이지요.

This size guarantees decent combination of attacking and blocking. It's also the same size for LISSOM special version. I studied much about size when I designed that LISSOM special version, too.

손잡이도 일반적인 블레이드보다 큰 사이즈인데도 손에 착 감기는 착화감을 어떻게 구현할 것인지 많이 연구했습니다.

기존 손잡이들에 비해 깊이 잡히는 그립형태인데, 그 결과 매 타구시마다 정확한 타구감각으로 공을 맞힐 수 있도록 되어 있습니다.

Regarding handles, I treid to make people very comfortable when they grip it deep.
So, it will be good for you to hit the ball with better and direct feeling, when you grip the blade deeper.
 
 
 
블레이드의 이름을 만드는 과정에서도 많은 고민이 있었습니다.

블레이드의 특성을 담으면서도 해학적인 요소를 가지면 좋겠다고 생각했고, 결국 한번 들어오면 빠져 나올 수 없는 미궁을 테마로 한 네이밍과 디자인이 시도되었지요.

적어도 상대방을 미궁속에 빠뜨리고 싶다는 OX 플레이어들의 내심을 충분히 담은 네이밍은 되었다고 자평합니다.

By the way, naming was also very funny work. I tired to make it  very representative of it's uniqueness, and also be humourous. At least, people will like it when they really want to let the other player feel lost in the "labyrinthos".

 
 
이렇게 (지나간 세월에 비하면) 간단한 블레이드 제작 일기를 마칩니다. 특별히 이 블레이드와 같이 조합해서 테스트해 보시기를 권하는 제품으로 넥시의 CHAOS 러버가 있습니다.
카오스 러버는 이름 자체가 "혼란" 이듯이 상대방에게 혼란스러운 구질을 주기 위해 제작된 롱핌플 러버입니다. 초창기에는 OX 버젼을 만들지 않았고 그 결과 큰 인기를 얻지 못한 면이 있지만 최근에 일부러 OX 버젼을 추가로 발표했지요.

Now I finish the production note for Nexy's Labyrinthos.

Let me add just one thing. In order to celebrate this new blade, now I'm giving one CHAOS rubber for free, when you buy a Labyrinthos. (http://nexy.com/shop/step1.php?number=1199)
"Chaos" was released only with 0.5mm sponge first time, but recently, I released OX version, too.
 

0.5mm 버젼과 1.0mm 버젼의 경우는 일반적으로 탄성을 높이기 위한 스폰지의 존재 이유를 정면으로 부정하는 탄성없는 스폰지를 사용하고 있습니다. 이 탄성없는 스폰지의 역할은 공격된 공을 순간적으로 스폰지 면에서 탄성을 없애 줌으로 인해 최대한 짧게 반구하기 위한 것이 그 목적입니다. 물론 탄성이 없다고 해서 공격적인 타이밍에서 힘이 없는 것은 아닙니다.

공격적인 타이밍 때에서는 목판 면의 힘이 그대로 공에 전달되도록 되어 있지요.

These sponges used for 0.5mm and 1.0mm are non-elastic sponges. They absorb the impact of the ball, and I hope you can make the returning ball short, close to the net on your opponent's table.

And if you want to attack with that side, then the ball goes deep onto the surface wood, so you will not lose any power from non- elastic function. 
 
기본적인 카오스 러버의 OX 버젼은 변화량이 많으나 비교적 사용하기 편리한 OX 러버입니다. 라비린토스 발매 기념으로 한시적인 기간 동안 라비린토스 구매시 한매를 제공해 드리고 있습니다. 같이 조합해서 시타해 보시면 좋겠습니다.

CHAOS ox version is also good rubber. I think it's not perfect for all players, but there could be some people who would like it very much. So, please, test it with Labyrinthos. 

앞으로 넥시가 존재하는 한 끝까지 롱런할 대작이 되리라고 믿어 의심하지 않는 제품, "라비린토스"

여러분들의 많은 사랑, 기다립니다.

I believe this Labyrinthos will be selling as long as NEXY survives the market.

Test it, and you will love it.



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Long time no writing.
 
I feel sorry for not coming here often to write.
Any way, it does not mean that I'm not working.
 
Here I attach one image file.
This is a new blade called "calix"
This will be 5.5mm thick carbon blade.
I will continue to equip this blade with deep embracing touch, even though thin (and also with carbon layer) blade is not easy to get that deep impact feeling.
 
And I will try to make the feeling of returning ball heavy.
In many cases, if a blade is think and light, the returning ball is not much powerful, even though it can be fast.
But I think if I continue to equip this blade with deep impact feeling, then the returning ball can be fast and also heavy.
 
My test will be finished around next month...but the whole process will take more than 3 months.
So, Calix will come out many months later.
But I wish I could be lucky, then I will be able to find the best composition and size sooner than that 3 months.
 
I will report more later.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Good luck on your search. You are addressing the one and only thing I would change in the Lissom - and that is some carbon or similar to add stability and reduce the large flex when hitting hard. This will improve directness and reduce the very high throw when loop driving.
 
I hope the handle shape, wing shape, balance, flex on slower shots, and embracing feeling remain the same as the Lissom as they are perfect (for what I look for in a blade).
 
Please keep us posted !!!!!
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There is one article about "Labyrinthos" in ooak table tennis site.
I hope this article helps people to know more about Labyrinthos.
This was written by "pingpongstephen".
And here is the address of that thread.
 
 
 
 
 
And he posted the movice clip.
Here is the movie clip.
 
 
 
 
 
Nexy Labyrinthos blade and Nexy Chaos 0.5 mm Testing

Initial Impression:

80-gm blade beautifully designed with high-quality finish. ST handle is very comfortable.

Bouncing ball on the BH side finds that it has a bit of hard feel. Paired with Tibhar Grass Dtecs OX (My competition long pimple) and had a hit. Wow, the feel is not that good as it gives me a sort of hard feel, which is not so comfortable when I chop. I couldn’t get the usual consistency and smooth feel like I use it on my Dr. Neubauer High Technology Plus or Giant Dragon Kris, which also has a thin layer of Koto.

Real Test:

Replaced DTecs OX with Nexy Chaos 0.5 mm on BH and Andro Hexer + 2.0 mm on FH, I had a go with Paul Moody, a looper. Immediately, the feel is much better and the consistency is improved. I am quite happy with the long pimple chop, swipe, block, hit and FH control loop with enough dwell time and hit. The thin sponge on Chaos does make a difference.

Conclusion:

It looks like this could be a combinational blade for a modern defender as you can see from my Youtube video. The FH away-from-table counter is awesome and powerful which I have not tried on this video. Personally, I don’t quite like stiff feel on the BH side. Perhaps, it could be the carbon layer, though on the FH side, has some impact on the Koto layer on the BH. Surprisingly, I find there is nothing much special with the Nexy Chaos 0.5mm long pimple rubber as I don’t seem to find much back spin, wobbling or reverse spin effect. Maybe I have to keep on searching a suitable OX long pimple for my needs on Labyrinthos.

Anyway, I do appreciate Mr. Moon from Nexy who gave me a chance to review his products, though not very much in-depth. Above mentioned is just my personal feeling and preference. Nevertheless, Nexy Labyrinthos is still a highly recommended blade for modern defenders
 
 

 
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Originally posted by strongpong strongpong wrote:

Good luck on your search. You are addressing the one and only thing I would change in the Lissom - and that is some carbon or similar to add stability and reduce the large flex when hitting hard. This will improve directness and reduce the very high throw when loop driving.
 
I hope the handle shape, wing shape, balance, flex on slower shots, and embracing feeling remain the same as the Lissom as they are perfect (for what I look for in a blade).
 
Please keep us posted !!!!!
Thank you for the comment.
 
Actually, this thin carbon blade is the third blade coming from one concept, which I call "the second wave for nexy blade"; deep embracing feeling, which makes effective bang impact in most positions.
 
I made 6.5mm all wooden 5-ply one: SPEAR, and the next blade was 5.7mm thin & flexible some what blade; Nexy, and the final one will come out later with the name "CALIX"
 
I think this calix will extract all the good things from carbon blades, and traditionally well famed wooden blades into itself.
I wish I could finish it soon.
 
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Regarding Calix, I'm now checking TEAK wood for the surface. But Teak seems not easy to use. It's very oily, and not easy to cut nice.

I'm thinking I need to test another wood.
I have two woods in my mind. One is African Mahogany, and the other one is Aromatic coder.
Mahogany has been used for other blades, but Aromatic coder is very new.
 
I will give more details about these surface woods later on.


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Do you like padauk?
 
When I grew up my step dad built a wooden house on the beach and the only way to go there was with a boat (my water ski years are some of the best Thumbs Up). That beach land was almost an island because a river was throwing itself 3 miles away and was parallel to the beach so from the house we had to walk 2 minutes to the river and there the boat would sleep. So  my step dad built a mini pier in padauk (can't rot in water) so we would get out of the boat and avoid the incredibly muddy bottom of the river (you could go down all the way to your knees).
I helped building it and believe it or not we could not plant a nail (10 cm nails) with a hammer --> we had to start a 2 cm hole with the drill and only then the hammer would be usable. ALso that wood is so dense it could not clearly float.
 
I bet outter plies in padauk will give a longer life to the blade as it will be harder to ding it!
 
Another hard wood from Gabon is the beautiful Kevazingo (African rosewood) or bubinga.
 
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Nexy, you mean "aromatic cedar", right? that's a very nice looking wood. No ideas about its properties, though.

Fatt, I have read that a hard wood is fragile when cut thin, so it may be difficult to ding, but it may break easily. This may be the reason why Yinhe integrates edge protection in their newer Wenge series blades. Do you know if that is true?
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Wenge's side has no function but design.
I know what it is.
It's only wooden sticker.
But it's nice looking, and I like it.
 
And yes, it's aromatic cedar.
But it's not the same wood.
What I want to use is some wood living in Korea, and I'm not sure this wood is the same from other countires.
 
 
By the way, when I choose wood, I need to think the whole composition together.
And I can not think of it before I know something about the materials.
So, I can not say any opinion about what FATT suggested right now.
But all woods look really nice and interesting.
I hope I can really lay my hands on those new materials soon.
So thankful for those information!!


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WHAT happens when we make a big looping shot on our racket?

 

This is the topic I planned to write quite a long time ago, but I could not start until today. I’m not a professional player, but I’ve been playing more than 20 years, and I sometimes play with top players in Korea. I also participated several junior players training camps in Germany and Hungary, and had many chances to see how players played in their own way.​

 

Basically, Korean players are always asked to make powerful shots. They are not allowed to send back their ball in a clumsy but steady way. Even though they can lose one point, still they are expected to return it with a great deal of power and speed. And from Korean players, I could learn how to make “Bang Impact” — This is the term I made up in order to explain more about blade and rubbers. When you make bang impact shot, the ball goes through the rubber and into the wood, and you can hear the sound coming from the impact on that wooden surface. It needs a quick swing movement combined with good angle and deep touch of the ball into the racket.

 

And from European players, I could learn the many ways by which they can handle their rackets and how they can be steadily in all strokes. I think some time later, I can write another report about the differences between Korea and Europe, and also provide some useful information about the Chinese training system.

 

Back to today’s topic . . .

 

Many players believe that when we hit a ball with our racket to make a good topspin shot (looping), then we need to make the ball roll on the rubber as long as possible. We might picture that the ball is rolling on the rubber, and we try to extend that rolling movement for as long as we can.

 
  
 This is the way most beginners, and even some good players, believe how we can loop. But just think more about it. When we swing the racket, this racket is meeting the ball, and the racket has a rubber and blade which are made to hit the ball with great speed. So, the idea that the ball can roll on the rubber is really not possible. If it stays in the rubber, than that cannot be rolling. That can be a moment when the ball goes deep into the rubber, and gets bounced off, leaving the rubber with a quick movement.

 

So, I can explain it this way . . .

 

The ball does not roll on the rubber. The ball is rather stabbed into the rubber, reaching as deep as it can , and then gets kicked out by the energy of the rubber as it re-coils back to its original shape.

 

Here is another picture by which you can better understand what I mean. 

 
 
 
 
 Actually, this bang impact is not only for professional players. Most loops occur as the picture illustrates. But top players can make the ball go much deeper, even to the wooden surface. If you start to understand these two pictures, then you would know why I focus on this bang impact. My blades general purpose is to give you the best chance for a bang impact.

 

I think many players will have some questions about these two illustrations. I’m not sure I can give correct answer to all questions, but I will wait for those questions and do my best.

 

If I find some more topics from those questions, I will write more about this as it relates to my upcoming line of blades.

 
 


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By the way, the upper writing is not about one specific blade I'm working on.

This is the general idea I adopt when I design a blade, and I want to share this idea with nexy lovers.
Thank you for reading..and feel free to reply.


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Very good analysis on the "Bang Impact"!  It was interesting to read your article since I currently have a Korean coach who says some of the same things as you do.  He was taught to also hit the "kill every ball" technique similar to what you speak of.  During some of my training sessions he had me try and hit my slams so hard as to make a sound as if you are cracking the ball.  I found out pretty quickly that it takes a lot of hand quickness to make such a sound.

He also preaches to keep the ball on the blade as long as you can on a loop...that is, have the ball enter at the top of the racket and leave at the bottom.  When you didn't do this he said that you had weak contact with the ball causing you to not have much control or spin.

From what you are saying the ball doesn't really roll along the rubber but there is just a single spot on the rubber that it touches, which makes sense.  Maybe the idea of having the ball enter on the top of the blade and exit at the bottom (rolling the ball) is what give you the necessary hand speed in order to hit a good loop (or drive as he calls it).

I really like the Korean style of "killing" every ball but it does take quite a bit of stamina to be able to do so, which I don't have.

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Originally posted by robjkc robjkc wrote:

Very good analysis on the "Bang Impact"!  It was interesting to read your article since I currently have a Korean coach who says some of the same things as you do.  He was taught to also hit the "kill every ball" technique similar to what you speak of.  During some of my training sessions he had me try and hit my slams so hard as to make a sound as if you are cracking the ball.  I found out pretty quickly that it takes a lot of hand quickness to make such a sound.

He also preaches to keep the ball on the blade as long as you can on a loop...that is, have the ball enter at the top of the racket and leave at the bottom.  When you didn't do this he said that you had weak contact with the ball causing you to not have much control or spin.

From what you are saying the ball doesn't really roll along the rubber but there is just a single spot on the rubber that it touches, which makes sense.  Maybe the idea of having the ball enter on the top of the blade and exit at the bottom (rolling the ball) is what give you the necessary hand speed in order to hit a good loop (or drive as he calls it).

I really like the Korean style of "killing" every ball but it does take quite a bit of stamina to be able to do so, which I don't have.

You understand it 100%.
I'm quite glad to have you here in this thread.
 
By the way, if you want to have "bang impact" on each shot, it's not only about arm and body.
If you are Japanese pen holder blade player, then you need to learn how use wrist and palm.
And if you are shak hand player, then you need to know how to fold the arm quickly focusing on your elbow, together with smaller movement on your wrist.
(Japanese penholder has wider movement area than shak hand grip.)
 
But once you know how to do it, then you can kill the ball.
It just flashes away on your eyes.
You will know what I mean.
 
But I think Korean players need to learn how to be more steady in rallies.
That's how we develop together.
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Are there slow motion videos with hi-speed cameras that show the details of the impact?
However, I would assume that there is a minimal displacement of the contact area of the ball on the rubber even while the rubber is being depressed. Very small because the ball will flex during impact, thereby increasing resistance to rotation.
In the absence of hi-speed recordings another way to verify the trajectory of the ball on the rubber could be to play some bang-impact shots with some very new balls (or some dusty balls) that will leave marks on the rubber, so that the shape and size of the ball contact area can be seen afterwards.
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This bang impact is maybe more bang output I think. The bang is the release or tranfer of energy from the blade to the ball. Release as spin and speed. Like a flow of energy from bigger joints through the arm to the hand to the blade. That,s a secquency of joints with the upperarm contributing with a naturally much lower frecquency then the lowerarm and lowerarm lower then wrist, wrist lower then the joint between hand and blade (which also functions as a joint even if hardly noticable) aso. The ballcontact/release is only a short period and lower frecquency energy therefor can,t transfer to the ball.
Only long arm loop most energy is wasted it,s not concentrated.

To concentrate the energy to the ball the energy flow is necessary as a whip shows. The initital movement with a whip can be slow, low frecquency but the bang is when it relases from the tip at extremely high frecquency. Low frecquency energy transformed during the tranfer/flow to higher frecquency thereby gets concentrated in shorter moment of time. If that corresponds with ballcontact it,s bang as from a whip because the energy build up earlier can release to the ball.

Technical this is not just power but also relaxation of muscles at the right moment to have the energy "flow" outward and timing.

Longer ballcontact can make it easier but also make it impossible to further concentrate the energy to the ball which results in a mushy feel with a too soft sponge.
When the blade "embrasses" the ball the wood has the same funktion of the sponge somewhat. As if the same sponge is thicker. The ballcontact can be lengthened more then without the mushy feel (or harder sponge can be used with same ballcontacttime). Therefor the hard blade soft sponge idea is never optimal  (covering up lack of technicque for an "easy bang" but also limited) But only embrasing (trampoline idea) no flex (divingboard/fishingrod idea) doesn,t support this optimal either just as flex no embrassing. This is also low frecquency (flex) to higher frecquency (surfacespring). But the flex is higher frecquency then the wrist.

So the secquency continues through the blade from low frecquency to higher :

hip, tigh ---shoulder  --- underarm --- wrist --- hand/blade joint-- flex ---surfacespring - sponge-topsheet....release. All this in one second maybe and with all energy as much concentrated as possible. The lower frecquencies don,t have less energy but to get that energy transferred/concentrated to the ball is the difficulty. Technical for playing and also for building a blade.

A too stiff blade for how soft it is the blade doesn,t get faster and too hard for how flexible it is doesn,t make it faster because it becomes more difficult to get this bang impact and less.

For onstance stiff balsa blades the surface frecquency (of the trampoline) can be lower then the flex frecquency (meaning stiff). that,s reversed direkton to the transfer direction.

It has to be a little higher. Not too much not too little in a way that it is tuned for the purpose of transferring energy. Lucky thing is that would is flexible and plastical. When it,s not perfectly tuned for the purpose when new the energy blocks inside the wood and then works destruktive to the wood on microscale. A too stiff blade for how soft it is the flex will increase more a flexible but hard blade will soften up more. But to an extend. If it,s a well made blade it is flex and soft but without feeling flexible or soft. If a blade "feels" soft it,s not necessarily too soft but can just as well be not flexible enough. This may seem counterintuitive because flex is often mistaken as "feeling soft" but they are completely different.

If the blade is well made the frecquency of the trampolin is higher then the flex frecquency in a way that it follows the flex naturally in the energytranfer.



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So many new vocabularies and new informations, than I thought.

I hope I can understand all those articles with better understanding later...but this time too much for me to absorb and write back.
 
By the way, I want to add one more thing. If you want to make this kind of "bang impact" with big and deep touch, then you need to use the most powerful gear, which will be joint on your arm (elbow), and the wrist. And you need to make enough back swing just before each stroke.
 
If you think your following throw (the swing after hitting the ball) is longer than most top players, it's not because you are using your arm too big, but because you start to move your arm too close and late to the coming ball.
If you always have enough space between your starting point of your racket and the coming ball, then you will have to make faster movement to the ball.
 
I found out most beginners can not have enough back swign to make this "bang impact".
 
By the way... so happy to have those enthusiastic and full of knowledge replies.


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Originally posted by robjkc robjkc wrote:

He also preaches to keep the ball on the blade as long as you can on a loop...that is, have the ball enter at the top of the racket and leave at the bottom.  When you didn't do this he said that you had weak contact with the ball causing you to not have much control or spin.

From what you are saying the ball doesn't really roll along the rubber but there is just a single spot on the rubber that it touches, which makes sense.  Maybe the idea of having the ball enter on the top of the blade and exit at the bottom (rolling the ball) is what give you the necessary hand speed in order to hit a good loop (or drive as he calls it).

After having seen these videos, it really seems that the contact area between ball and rubber is very small even when extreme spin is played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUBMPW_r9Dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsaotbKjows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Rtenkmt6M
But of course, the higher the racket speed at the moment of impact, the higher the spin. So imagining having the ball roll on the rubber is ok for learning, but that is not what happens in reality.
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I just back from a trip to Nexy HQ and a visit to Seoul National University TTC with Korea's top Non-pro player. I had a blast "Banging It" around with the Uni students. There was a J-Pen player who made "Bang Impact on literally half his shots. Myself, I do not "Bang" it, unless I am needing a powerful speed drive, so that is normally 20% of my shots max. We spent considerable time doing that "Bang" FH to FH from distance. I am a dude with pretty good endurance, but that tile floor wore me out by the time I left.
 
Nexy made a vid of me and that J-Pen dude (I won that one 3-2 and he got me 3-0 on my last match of the night (I had excuses, but don't we all?) ) maybe he posts it sometime. Dude made some great rallies and returns I was not expecting him to get to. I had my share of points where I was not happy with my miss or the outcome. I shall have to learn how to better get over it.
To do Bang Impact, you really have to use a lot of the body and have the timing. J-Pen dude had it over and over. (In practice, in the match I only fed him for 2 games)
 
The top non-pro player (Prolly USATT 2700 or higher) (He just recently defeated a K&G pro team player) (Just about all the Korean pros are USATT 2800ish minimum for starters) got supplied a Nexy Oscar (ST) with Genius. (I'm not sure he even he uses Shakehand for his normal setup) Nexy and top non-pro player went to SNUTTC to teach some TT.
 
I'll probably write a thread about this visit later, there are a lot of other neat stuff I discovered on that visit.
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Nexy, is your new Laurel blade similar to Darker Tanpan or DS70 (90) blades? 9 mm seems a bit thinner than usual OFF style one-ply Hinoki blades

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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Nexy, is your new Laurel blade similar to Darker Tanpan or DS70 (90) blades? 9 mm seems a bit thinner than usual OFF style one-ply Hinoki blades

http://nexy.com/shop/step1.php?number=1168
Yes, both of them are very alike.
But my Laurel is more easy to attack, due to slight difference of it's shape.
Both of them are 9mm thick.
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