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I'd say 90% is a little low lol. 

His backhand is super-money. 
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In 2 years, Allen will probably be US Champ.  Depends on the competition of course.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

In 2 years, Allen will probably be US Champ.  Depends on the competition of course.

I think he definitely can do that. IMO he should be working on explosiveness and strength training to progress even further. Right now I think he doesn't have the point finishing power yet, especially on the FH. I like his strokes, they are very solid and he has quite a lot of feeling for the ball and the defense is stellar. Could be the next American Oh Sang Eun for all you know. 
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Competition is really tough. A lot of upcoming juniors from california but hopefully some training in Sweden can help me improve more. Wink
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Allen, how tall are you?
And how old are you if I may ask too?
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Apparently, Tao Wenzhang translates to Pottery Articles in English according to Google.

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Originally posted by bonggoy bonggoy wrote:

Apparently, Tao Wenzhang translates to Pottery Articles in English according to Google.



haha, true, if you translate word by word
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I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry

You're in the wrong sport - the sixers just traded Jru Holiday and they need a point guard Smile
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry

Dude, that's not a bad thing... as I'm sure you know, several great players are tall (ie 6'2" or taller).

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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry

You're in the wrong sport - the sixers just traded Jru Holiday and they need a point guard Smile

Don't think I'm gonna play for them unless I start over Michael Carter Williams Big smile hahaha 
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wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

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Now we talking
seriously, 6.2, 15 years old, you have a chance hey.
Just need to work on your "spin, speed and controls" Wink

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Or you want me to rename to Tonys Basketball? Tongue
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Now we talking
seriously, 6.2, 15 years old, you have a chance hey.
Just need to work on your "spin, speed and controls" Wink

PS I added you on FB, please accept - Tonys Table Tennis.
Or you want me to rename to Tonys Basketball? Tongue

confirmed Big smile I like the sound of that Clap
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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed
Does your father know?  Does he drive you to the basketball court with Amy?  LOL!
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

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Does your father know?  Does he drive you to the basketball court with Amy?  LOL!

Yes of course! He also claims to be a shorter version of Jeremy lin back then Wink
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So Allen, whats the possibility that you become pro in Basketbal VS TT?
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Probably higher in Basketball :P 
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Sorry to say the obvious: 
Here in the USA, there are lots of money in Pro Basketball, there is no money in TT.
If you can make it in the Pro Basketball, then by all means.
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As far as I know (probably not much), there is no TT player here makes a living by playing only.  However, one can make some money by coaching.
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TT coaches in hot spots (MD, NJ, NY and CA) can make far more money than those in Charlotte, NC..
Then again, I only know approximately how much money our coaches make here.
(Btw, we share our facility with the Badminton Club, so we open only half of the time.)
 
The estimated earnings of our 4 coaches are:  One makes about $15,000 a year, and the remaining three make under $5,000 each per year. (None depends on coaching to live.)
 
Strangely enough, the one who makes most of the money is the one who has the lowest usatt rating.  The reason being that he was the very first guy who started coaching in our club, very dedicated, and his earliest two students were 10 years old kids - subsequently all new kids went to him for lessons.  He has a monopoly on coaching kids here.  And, he also has adult students.
 
The other 3 higher usatt rated coaches just don't have any kids as a student.
 
In TT hot spots, the demand for coaching is high, coaches' schedules are full and can command pay for as much as $70+ an hour.  Here in Charlotte, NC, the coaching demand is low - only one coach is relatively busy during the club's operating hours, the other 3 only coach occasionally due to lack of demand, all command about half the pay rate as TT hotspots.
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Info for Allen Wang:  Your usatt rating is higher than all our club's coaches. (Btw, our club is weak, no 2400 level player in our club.)  You are already good enough to being a coach.
 


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Quote C'mon guys give Allen some credit most of you wouldn't get a single serve back.... The "if it really was Tao" comment is just stupid


It would be a good idea not to use the word "stupid" in reference to another too loosely. 

I said "if it was Tao" in the context of just having gone over 2013 U.S. Open results and not seeing one match between Mr. Wang and Mr. Tao, I had also just gone over the USATT ratings history for both players and failed to find a single match ever between the two.  At the time I made the comment, I didn't know about preliminary matches at the Open that show up nowhere on the results or in the records or about the ITTF/USATT results distinction, I assumed the USATT would include such matches in their records. Not an absurd assumption. 

I give Mr. Wang a great deal of credit, I know full well that he's an outstanding player though not quite world class (yet); I could also tell that his opponent, whether his name was Tao or not, was a tremendous player.  I was honestly wondering if perhaps Mr. Wang had played another very fine Chinese opponent but had merely been mistaken as to his name.  That was all.

I never meant to mock or ridicule one who could take me to the woodshed if we ever played.


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Here is ITTF's record of Allen Wang vs Tao Wenzhang.
(The 7th match on this page.)
(Wang beat Tao badly in the first game, but lost all the remaining games.)
 
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
20:00 3/7/2013
HSU Nathan USA

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TAO Wenzhang CHN
7-11, 11-6, 6-11, 9-11,11-9,8-11, - 2-4
TAO Wenzhang
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Semi Final

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
16:15 3/7/2013
TAO Wenzhang CHN

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JAFAR Shuja USA
11-3, 12-10, 11-7, 14-12,-,-, - 4-0
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
12:30 3/7/2013
CHEN Bowen ^^ USA

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TAO Wenzhang CHN
8-11, 10-12, 13-11, 4-12,12-14,-, - 1-4
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
12:30 4/7/2013
OU Jonathan USA

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TAO Wenzhang CHN
5-11, 10-12, 4-11, -,-,-, - 0-3
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series
Semi Final

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
TAO Wenzhang CHN

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BYE --- ---
-, -, -, -,-,-, - -

ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
09:30 4/7/2013
TAO Wenzhang CHN

vs

KUMAR Shivansh ^ USA
12-10, 11-9, 11-9, -,-,-, - 3-0
TAO Wenzhang
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Round of 16

U21 Boys Singles (Pre. Rounds)
14:00 4/7/2013
WANG Allen USA

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TAO Wenzhang CHN
11-4, 8-11, 5-11, 5-11,-,-, - 1-3
TAO Wenzhang


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Sounds like the East Coast remake of "Ping Pong Playa" Smile

http://www.pingpongplaya.com/us/index.html

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Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Sounds like the East Coast remake of "Ping Pong Playa" Smile

http://www.pingpongplaya.com/us/index.html


That's like my life story bro. Hahaha, the movie was disappointing though, they needed a better actor, like me! LOL
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I like this thread but......why the discussion on the money making possibilities between basketball and table tennis? Does ANYBODY in America believe there are families investing so much money in their child to become a PROFESSIONAL table tennis player? When I mean professional, I mean playing or involved in table tennis as a main source of income.

I'm sure if there was ANY remote possibility of Allen becoming a pro basketball player, the switch to basketball would have been made a long time ago. Some coach from somewhere would have convinced the family to make the switch if it even needed to go that far.

I don't know Allen's future in table tennis but from what I've noticed from other top juniors in the past is the "dream" to be the next Wang Liqin ends once they enroll in college or they get to around 21 years old and are stuck at 2600 level. Which doesn't guarantee a second round win at the US Open. Lol.

Unfortunately, this is the main reason why America can't produce a top 100 player anymore. There is absolutely no money to be made in TT and we have other sports in America that will make you stinking rich if you make it pro.
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