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Topic: Guess my rating...
Posted By: kei123
Subject: Guess my rating...
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:16pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkVIXaGCII - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dkVIXaGCII
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VwQtpgk9hU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VwQtpgk9hU  
i am the penhold guy with long pants..



Replies:
Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:19pm
900

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BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1


Posted By: Ksix
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:22pm
900? No. lol He's got to be at least 1300... and heck I played 2000+ who are worse than him. His serves are very spinny and his forehand seems to be pretty good...

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わが青春に悔なし


Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:28pm

to many simple mistakes



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Kreanga Aeros ST
FH: Tenergy 05 Red 2.1
BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1


Posted By: Pip Master
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:35pm
800-1000


Posted By: fatcomet
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:39pm
2300-2312


Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by fatcomet fatcomet wrote:

2300-2312
hahahahaha are you seaious


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Kreanga Aeros ST
FH: Tenergy 05 Red 2.1
BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1


Posted By: fatcomet
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:45pm
Confused

Shocked
....

no its called sarcasm

ps. HUHEEZ


Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:49pm
hahahah


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Kreanga Aeros ST
FH: Tenergy 05 Red 2.1
BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1


Posted By: Ksix
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 8:49pm

lol you guys are so mean ... how is that gonna help motivate him :@



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わが青春に悔なし


Posted By: fatcomet
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 9:14pm
ok srsy hes better than me


Posted By: bogeyhunter9
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 10:07pm
1200 - 1300

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Posted By: prodigyvioana
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 10:30pm

1400-1600



Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/16/2007 at 10:33pm
1k - 1.1k. both of them do not seem to be very consistent

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: joey5867
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 1:01am

1300



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BLD: NITTAKU Sanalion S
FH: DONIC Sonex JP 2.0
BH: DONIC Sonex JP 2.0


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 1:05am
can i change my rating? 0.9 to 1k. he gifts easy balls to the opponents (which the opponent hits into the net) and his smash isn't very accurate nor fast. the rallies do not last very long either.

and kei123, you asked us to guess your rating. do you actually know your own official rating or your asking us to estimate for you


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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 3:39am
I don't have a official rating yet. I only have a NCTTA estimate rating.
And, 0.9 to 1k is a wrong guess.


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 3:51am
-_-!!...u guys are pretty mean....Thumbs%20Up...but good sugguestion to improve my skill. ...TAKE MORE GUESS!!! GO GO GO!!!>.


Posted By: forehandsmash
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 4:24am
1.2k to 1.4k. how old are u anyway? ur serves are ok... but ur spin isnt that great. ur smash isnt that fast either.but not bad. for how long hv u been plaeing tt?

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Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 4:30am
Um....i m about 20.  Spin? u mean loop? I have been playing tt for a few years..


Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 5:45am
Cool video!  You have good skillz kei!  But it seems like a change of strategy is needed with this guy:

THE DUDE:

throughout both videos, he pushes with his backhand, and hits with the forehand.  His most consistent shot is the backhand push, and he's comfortable giving you the initiative by frequently pushing long to your forehand (he never seems to really test your backhand?!), giving you the option to attack.  He relies so heavily on his backhand that he even does some funky wrist twisting to hit backhand on the forehand side (meaning his "elbow" is a big area).  He seems to have trouble countering with his backhand, erroring on straight drives to the back hand.  His forehand attack is fast but not consistent enough to be that scary, but he is able to put high balls away on the forehand side.  He steps around the backhand just ONCE to attack a ball to the backhand with a forehand loop or counter, I forgot which.

He even errors frequently on multi push rallies even to the backhand - it seems he has trouble dealing with more underspin even in his consistent backhand side.

He moves very quickly to a defensive position away from the table, and chops lightly to your forehand, trying to wear you down or get a higher ball to smash with the forehand.

SO:

serves: you serve through both videos ONLY to his backhand side, the most consistent!!! And the serves are __always__ long.  In a few places I'd say he's out of position expecting a long serve!  So I'd say more __short service__ is in order - serve more short underspin and no spin balls close to the edges, optionally loaded with sidespin. That will get him closer to the table when receiving making him more likely to error on the return or be out of position when you decide to attack.  Your long serve is very consistent, but more variation with your placement is in order; in this case, it looks like serving long _underspin_ to the forehand would give him trouble since he plays more attack on that side in contrast to his defensive backhand strategy.

pushes: you're more consistent pushing than attacking his pushes, so be more selective with your attacks.  It seems like he starts to make mistakes as the underspin increases.  Pushing fast to the elbow will confuse him as he's used to hitting with the forehand but most of all favors defensive returns with his backhand push.  With enough spin, a push to the forehand also appears likely to force an error, as he tends to counter with the forehand, and doesn't seem to know how to loop underspin properly (at least it doesn't happen in this match).

attacking long under spin balls: a skill that lets you take the initiative, but hard to do consistently.  But you DO attack many underspin balls, but those attacks again seem to go consistently to his backhand - maybe go for the elbow or test his ability to counter with the forehand.

It seems like you beat this guy (I wasn't keeping score, but you were on the up??) but these are some strategies to test out in future games with him, or in matches with others.


Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 5:52am
http://www.masatenisi.org/english/frsmash.htm

check this out, smashing backspin Cool Loops against underspin are quite tricky but you can also smash when there is a) less spin and b) the ball is higher - this guy doesn't appear to be particularly careful about keeping his pushes low or spinny, he's content to get them back, so a straight drive / smash could work as an attack against him!  You seem to gravitate towards a loop-like stroke, even in shorter counters - maybe practice more straight countering, and experiment hitting against light underspin balls, could be just the ticket for more passive players like this guy.


Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 5:59am
the above is all just one person's opinion, i'm very interested to hear your thoughts and also other people's assessments of the game; so much of TT is just learning the fundamentals, tactics comes later, but everyone's game is always inconsistent in one way or another, so you can beat a lot of players just by playing your strength against their weakness


Posted By: forehandsmash
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 6:08am
yes. u could ask ur coach to train u in loops. in this way, u will improve. i also suggest having more serves to different sides of the table, very spinny and fast. remember, when u have a good serve , chances are the oppoenent will have diffculty, hence more points may be for ur taking. i also suggest serving to different sides of the table and spot where he is most weak at. work on that serve and try to get more spin, speed and to the egde of the table. u will be a much more complete player :)

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Posted By: stephen chung
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 7:30am
Originally posted by kei123 kei123 wrote:

Um....i m about 20.  Spin? u mean loop? I have been playing tt for a few years..


We don't have this kind of point system in Singapore  so  I can't guess.

But I think you should work on your serve. They are neither long nor short. And too high. Your opponent can loop back easily.

Work on you looping also. Especially looping underspin.


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Posted By: dadab12
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 7:55am
Well, I can't guess the rating but your oppenent seem to lack technique, your shots aren't strong enough and the serves are mid distance therefore it's pretty easy to kill the ball.. when did you start playing seriously?


Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 9:58am
FIT in NYC?


Posted By: weekdayhacker
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 12:49pm
Hi, I would guess you and your opponent's rating would be around 1200. 
 
If I was 1200 and I play against a guy below 800, I'll look like 1600.  If I play against a guy above 1600, I'll look like 800.


Posted By: forehandchop
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 1:04pm

I dont know your rating but let me share with you my analysis.

Service, I think someone else mention before already, sometimes you service are quite high... can be dangerous if played with good players.
 
Receive Serve, dont return high and to the place where the opponent can attack easily, choose your return location wisely where he cant attack.
 
Attack, you seems to be sending the ball most of the time to the center of the table... its like you are worrying that your opponent cant get the ball, so you send the ball into the middle. Try send the ball the the edge, does not matter if your opponent cant return it, thats the whole idea.
 
Defence, you have this habit of moving backwards when attacked... since you are a penholder, you should try stay near the table and do fast block. Once you move away from the table, you are in disadvantage being a pen holder.
 
finally, try not to wear long pants playing table tennis, wear shorts instead. You have movement problem with that type of pants.
 


Posted By: ttman
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 1:18pm
900ish

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Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by forehandsmash forehandsmash wrote:

yes. u could ask ur coach to train u in loops. in this way, u will improve. i also suggest having more serves to different sides of the table, very spinny and fast. remember, when u have a good serve , chances are the oppoenent will have diffculty, hence more points may be for ur taking. i also suggest serving to different sides of the table and spot where he is most weak at. work on that serve and try to get more spin, speed and to the egde of the table. u will be a much more complete player :)
 
Unforutnately, i don't have a coach. Here is the United States, not Asian country. Coaching is kinda expensive. I can't afford the coaching fee which is $50 for an hr.
 
For the people who have a coah. LUCK YOU. but you may not know how difficult to work on TT without a coach.


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 3:01pm
LOLZ...one hint...the other guy's rating is around 1700


Posted By: dadab12
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 3:40pm
Oh Kei here it's a 15-20$ for a hour-hour and a half :P


Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 4:03pm
yea I agree that you seem to stay way too far for a penhold. Also are you playing in the FIT open next week?


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/17/2007 at 4:05pm
Originally posted by dadab12 dadab12 wrote:

Oh Kei here it's a 15-20$ for a hour-hour and a half :P
 
 
lolz...where....but i m a student...still much for long term training..


Posted By: forehandchop
Date Posted: 03/18/2007 at 3:25am
if your opponent is 1700, I think you are slightly better than him.
 
You have more room for improvement and definately has some potentials despite my early comments.


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/18/2007 at 11:41am
Thx Chronos...thx for your support.. and comment


Posted By: joey5867
Date Posted: 03/18/2007 at 1:38pm
If you say you have 1800 rating, I will easly have around 2000 of rating if I go to a USATT tournament.

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BLD: NITTAKU Sanalion S
FH: DONIC Sonex JP 2.0
BH: DONIC Sonex JP 2.0


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/18/2007 at 4:06pm
OK.....the answer issss.....
 
 
 
 
 
1.2k


Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/18/2007 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by kei123 kei123 wrote:

Um....i m about 20.  Spin? u mean loop? I have been playing tt for a few years..
your 20 ?
haha woah


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BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1


Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 12:49am
Its hard to judge from the play unless you know your opponent's rating.

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Posted By: joey5867
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 12:52am
You have style, keep practicing and u will get better quick.

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BLD: NITTAKU Sanalion S
FH: DONIC Sonex JP 2.0
BH: DONIC Sonex JP 2.0


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 8:07am
sorry if you thought i was mean, i bet you can beat me easily... your service is what people in Singapore would call "action", like all those bouncing and rolling around in your hand for 10 seconds before tossing it high into the air and serving a really basic service.

in a recent poll service was rated as the most important stroke in tt. it provides ground from which you can launch your attacks.

when you serve from an extreme end of the table, you should direct your services off the corners or a fast down-d-line. as of now you do not vary your services in depth, width, speed or spin direction.

your opponent always seems to mish*t his return, which perhaps misleads you in thinking your serve is loaded with backspin. from what we see, that is not the case, continue to work on your service such that it is hard to tell which way it is spinning and vary the direction of the ball

your smashes are extremely inconsistent, work on it as well, do not pause after a smash, and always expect your opponent to be able to return it.


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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 8:21am
thx so much. a lot of commets...


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 8:23am
just a random question. i usually wear sports shorts for training. is there any rationale behind wearing long pants while playing, isit just to distinguish who is who? cos i find it inhibits your movement a little

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 8:28am
na```..i just used to wear long pants...


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 9:53am
but you dont find it hampers your performance? it seriously inhibits my movement and makes my legs really hot and sweaty

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 10:15am
no~~~...i am used to it...and we have air conditionar...so..it won't be so bad.


Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 3:52pm
At first I always wore long pants for sports. I didn't really think shorts would help movement that much. But you really do get more movement.


Posted By: alink91
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 5:14pm
You look like 1300, but thats on tape. You are probably actually about 1600 maybe?


Posted By: ttman
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 5:26pm
he already said he was 1200

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Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 03/19/2007 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by alink91 alink91 wrote:

You look like 1300, but thats on tape. You are probably actually about 1600 maybe?
 
...Yes...The camera usually takes off a couple hundred.


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Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 4:17am
lolz...and tournamnet takes off a couple hundreds, too.


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 4:21am
i dint know it costs so much to go for a tournament, few hundred is ok for a camera but just for a competition is scary

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: apple
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 4:34am
i am not familar with the rating rules of the us
could you explain a little to me?


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 4:39am
apparently the higher the better. 1k is for basic players who are able to execute consistent strokes. 2k should be pros who can execute consistent match-winning strokes. the world class players are almost 3k i think (correct me if im wrong, this is to the best of my knowledge)

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 6:45am
Originally posted by forehandloop forehandloop wrote:

i dint know it costs so much to go for a tournament, few hundred is ok for a camera but just for a competition is scary
 
-_-!!!...the "hundreds" means rating point. Not money.


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 7:15am
huh? how does filming yourself wif camera set your standard down a few hundred?

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 8:46am
it just make u looks like you r not that good.


Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 8:52am
so your saying your better than what we see? cool. i rate you 1.2k then

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 8:55am

no~~...just generally speaking..



Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 9:09am
competition makes you seem lousier too? is it the stress or conditions?

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: kei123
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 9:55am
pressure? ...ya...more or less


Posted By: rustyfo
Date Posted: 03/20/2007 at 11:09am
1. If you go to a fairly high skilled tournament, you wont be allowed to play in long pants, also when you get better, and start moving alot more, its gonna be simply impossible to play in pants, since you will be WAY too warm, makes you unable to move even close to as much as you need to.

2. If playing in a tournament makes you alot worse as you say it does, you really should work on the mental part of your play as well. Tournaments usually make me play A LOT better than when its just for fun.


3. most people already pointed out your weaknesses, but ye, keep the serves either short or long, not in between, and practically always low.
You first of all need to work on moving alot faster, and here I mean both your legs and your arms/torso. Do trainings where you simply repeat especially forehand loops over and over and over again. Trust me, it works. When you manage to get at least 50 good loops in a row against someone blocking without missing one, thats when you can go on to practice more complicated things like excersises where you dont know where you'r training partner puts the ball on the table.

Example: your partner plays first ball in middle, from where you loop to his backhand, then he blocks to EITHER your forehand OR your backhand. Then next in the middle again, then either forehand or backhand and so on.

But as I said, first focus on being able to consistently hit all the basic strokes to perfection and your footwork (those two things are inevitably connected btw)


my rating btw, if you need it to believe what I say, is around 1950-2000 in the danish rating system, which is at minimum equal to the american one, from the vids ive seen on this site tho, I would say the danish one is quite a bit harsher, as in 1500 in danish one is better than 1500 in american one.


Posted By: O! Ju Qian
Date Posted: 03/25/2007 at 2:57pm
do not keep your arm too loose or too close to your body all the time, which explains why some of your shots are off. i HIGHLY suggest that you bend your knees and spread your legs apart a bit more. you need to move with more anticipation, and loop those long serves no matter what. as you become more consistent and gain better feel, you need to work on being more aggressive. it's pointless to be aggressive right now though because you don't really have a strong CONSISTENT attack yet. Quick FOOTWORK plays a main part of being a penholder so keep that in mind.

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FH: Hurricane 3 Pro
BH: Tenergy 05

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Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/26/2007 at 7:49am
in tournament there isnt an airconditioner either. i agree with ojq. rotate your body more, dont' jump around when smashing

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MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs

TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly

SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels

MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia


Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/26/2007 at 3:34pm

was anybody at FIT NY this past weekend

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Kreanga Aeros ST
FH: Tenergy 05 Red 2.1
BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1


Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/27/2007 at 7:29pm
Yea I went, I did pretty bad. 


Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 9:34am
what days did you play on whats your rateing
i was ther i played well in the 1700


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Kreanga Aeros ST
FH: Tenergy 05 Red 2.1
BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1


Posted By: Swiff
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 2:28pm

1100?



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