Video: Debraj wielding Palio Thors :-) club match
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Topic: Video: Debraj wielding Palio Thors :-) club match
Posted By: debraj
Subject: Video: Debraj wielding Palio Thors :-) club match
Date Posted: 12/06/2010 at 5:15pm
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Okay, made it, finally... heres the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgXRIhN4bo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgXRIhN4bo see video description for more info!! For those who don't have much time... game 2 (7:40 min) is more interesting than game 1 and 3...as i am facing the camera..with Thor's :)
------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 12/06/2010 at 5:28pm
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I feel bad for your buddy. He looked like he was having a rough time. I know those games... I make a few stupid mistakes and then I get angry... then the angrier I become, the more stupid mistakes I make... which of course makes me even more angry. This often culminates in teeth marks on my racket.   ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/06/2010 at 5:34pm
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haha... !! thanks for watching.. yes, he is a better player than that...definitely not his best game. [...not mine either
 ]------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 12/06/2010 at 6:11pm
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Great game plan by you, your angled serves wide to his (lefties forehand) was a winner every time whenever you added a bit more topspin his missed 95% of the blocks
Pat just looked like he was going to have one of those games ,he just need to be ready to move and also his backhand looks vulnrable as he take the ball too wide and late and his body angle was wrong (the only time he got it right was late in set 3) where he was more square to the incomming topspin and took the ball in front for a great block. On the whole you were too consistant and had a basic game plan ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/06/2010 at 6:59pm
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smackman: thx for your comments... not a very representative game from both of us.. but my first game recorded with my new kodak zx3. hope to record some higher level game with better players soon. :) ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 6:44am
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সার্ভ আপনি দারুন করেন এটা স্বীকার করতেই হবে।
------------- TBS FH & BH: T05fx Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 7:32am
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Deb I saw in the other post where I am too scared to ask any questions since I will get shouted down as a giraffe to a ladder or some dumb comment for why I can't give my opinion. So I will stay here longer as I have always had a respect for your thoughts on how rubbers work. You mentioned that the tack is wearing off quickly, is that right? What would you say is the tack? Is it sprayed on just the top layer? Is it kind of like ESN rubbers where your finger will destroy the sheen quickly? And is the sponge at all porous like hexer or tenergy? thanks mate ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: friendship
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 7:33am
well said saif 
debraj, i really like placement of some of your serves
 you do it all of a sudden and totally unpredictable yet precise, earning yourself easy either direct or 3rd ball attack points. i think this makes difference among two of you |
Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 10:34am
Thanks friendship. I must say I'm really surprised to see someone other than Debraj would understand that. I think he needs to be more aggressive with 3rd ball. ------------- TBS FH & BH: T05fx Tibhar Samsonov Alpha FH: Grip-S Europe BH: Rakza7 soft Victas Koji Matsushita FH: Tenergy 80 BH: Feint long III https://www.facebook.com/groups/5439549367/ |
friendship wrote:Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 12:26pm
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Boz: I don't think JimT meant what he said as harshly as it may have sounded. And even if he did, let me say for the record that I, for one, always appreciate and respect your opinion.  I'm sure there are many others that do as well. I'm surprised to hear debraj say that his Thor's has lost tack. I have played with my sheet for over 20 hours now, and if mine has lost any tack it has to be a miniscule amount. I hope to make a vid sometime in the next couple weeks, and in it I will show you that the rubber will pick up a ball for about a second, which is as good as it was when I first opened the rubber. As another example, the protector sheet that I put on it is just a piece of plastic with no adhesive; yet it still sticks as firmly on the rubber as it did on day one, and it is consistent across it's surface. In addition, I'd like to add an observation that is meant to be a bit of constructive criticism for debraj: You've mentioned a few times about rubbers being inconsistent in their surface grip/tack. I noticed, however, that on your forehand stroke your wrist is quite loose. Too loose, in my opinion (but I could be wrong, and please take no offense. Just my opinion, and I'm just trying to be constructive! ) Anyway, such a loose wrist will necessarily result in inconsistent shots, whether inconsistent power, inconsistent control, or inconsistent spin. In my experience, the latter is the most affected. So I wonder if your rubbers have really lost that much grip/tack in the past, or if it's just a perception based on that loose wrist. I don't really know... and I could be wrong... and I certainly don't mean any offense by it. Take it or leave it. And feel free to critique my technique when I get around to posting my vid.  ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 12:38pm
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Debraj, interesting video and thank you for posting! Your forehand looks significantly evolved in terms of control in matchplay, smoothness and taking the right shot at the right time - since the initial video against http://www.usatt.org/history/rating/history/Phistory.asp?Pid=24727 - Sergey (btw congrats to him for briefly breaking 2000 last year - what a strange style and explosive FH he has). It really looks like Thor's is a "good fit" for how you want to use your FH - BRAVO! And watching game 1, Pat clearly looks like he's in control early, but the game gets away from him, due in no small part to your placement and moving him about. Game 1 - Pat hits 5 balls long off the table (3 topspins, 2 pushes) At least 2 of these were because you moved him out of position and forced him to take a shot from a bad position. Is Pat by any chance using an OFF/OFF+ blade? ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 1:53pm
no boz, i know that sounds like the regular esn trail... but its different. seriously! i do not want to anyway indicate that the it is going through the same loss of grip as in esn rubber...which even other palio esn rubbers do to a lesser extent than prolly donic rubbers. this grip loss is more like...even if you play a old time tacky rubber like tackspeed 2000, after a few weeks the fine rubber surface would have some abrasion... and also prolly some microscopic particle embedding on it... reducing the grip. it is miniscule.. and but for my EJ spirit, i could definitely continue to play with it unlike say acuda (where have to have to tune). the topsheet is more like gum rubber... you know!! those guyey latex like hands which you throw to the wall and stick there... that type of soft flowy stuff, not that exhaggerated ....but just to explain the concept. and not to disappoint you on tenrrgy... but just to express my fair opinion: the loss of grip after 2-3 weeks is say 10 in acuda, say 9 in hexer say 6 in tenergy then 3 in thors and 2 in older 729 rubbers i have played with Thors a fair bit now... been 4-5 weeks which is about 12*4=48 hours before i first even thought of touching paraffin oil. no esn rubber ever does that. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 2:01pm
friendship and saif: don't embarras me!! 
saif...i completely agree with your recommendation. and that's why i needed as much spin from the rubber... and hence tuning thors. i will work on that, and you will see me improve on my next video..promise! ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 2:10pm
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anton...i responded to boz before reading your comment... hope that answers. also i played almost double the time you played with thors. and yes it is miniscule. hey c'mon ... i din't like that caveat of yours. i though you knew me by now. my wrist has one major problem that of bending while looping. multiple times my coach and (others coach) have told me that this will create problem in my shoulder... and it did (rotator cuff). also this makes the ball placement very obvious for the opponent to read. it is on my list to correct. but no one told me about wrist being too loose, and i personally don't feel so...rather feel kinds too stiff in pressure stiuation. but possible... i am not denying you. just want to re-confirm... are you sure you are not thinking of the loose wrist because it is bent downwards? ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 2:18pm
icontek...thanks for your comments, and for taking time to count and analyze the strokes.thx. pattrice is using some light tibhar blade ... good chance that the center ply is balsa (not thick balsa but like viscaria) .... i tried and couldn't play with that blade...it felt mor like all+/off- funny thing with sergey is that he plays with a clow heavy blade and even slower and very soft rubbers. and while looking at the video you may feel his FH is blasting... while playing you realize that the ball lands at 1/3rd the speed you had estimated from his effort. And guess what!! that kills you... you completely misread the speed (hardly any) ... and spin (barely any)...and end up in stupid mistake. plus he never misses ... oh really!! never... till you actually force him to win the point... he will give you not even a single free point.
------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 12/07/2010 at 4:39pm
Maybe "loose" isn't precisely the correct term. It seems "unstable". Perhaps this instability comes from too tight a grip (as in, not loose enough)... which makes my choice of words even poorer. But yeah... your wrist looks a bit unstable. I know that when I have those issues, the most salient outcome is inconsistency in my shots. I guess I said "loose" because the instability makes it appear as though your wrist is kind of "flopping around" a bit. (Again, "flopping around" might not be the best description either, simply because it sounds too extreme. But hopefully it conveys my point well enough.) I know it's good to be relaxed when hitting, but in my experience, it's only good to "relax" when one has the correct technique. For instance, when I first started learning "proper" technique, my old coach always used to remind me, "Fix your wrist, fix your wrist!" He meant for me to keep it stable and not let it, well... flop around. My suggestion for you would be to "fix your wrist" a bit more. I don't mean more tension. I mean to keep it fixed in one place and use your body more when swinging. In my experience, unless my hitting partner is all over the place, I shouldn't be adjusting/changing the angle of my paddle much between each shot. My wrist should be fixed in place and I should adjust to the varying heights of the incoming balls with my legs (by squatting more for low balls, etc.). Try not to make adjustments with your wrist as much by keeping it firm (but not tight).I don't know... it's really difficult to explain technique online. I'd rather demonstrate it physically. And on top of that, I might not even be "correct" in my suggestion. Maybe something to think about, maybe not. But thank you for indulging me. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/08/2010 at 1:02pm
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anton... i think i got it... but yes, it seems to be related to the same complaint i get from coaches here. So on a positive note... you can start coaching!!  ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: jinbei
Date Posted: 12/08/2010 at 6:59pm
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hi Debraj i don't want to be impolit but i've don't understand all in the video, you say you have 1650 points you and your friends.When i see the video i think you have not this level ( for me 9 )
And your friend speak french ( i'm french) and your location his USA.
Sorry if i'm desagreable.
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 2:46am
sorry ... what? well ...whatever. hope you are not sid or verghese by any chance. do they have forums in france? my best wishes ...bonjour.  ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: NoFootwork
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 10:51am
Off-topic. How far back was your zx3 placed. It did not adequately capture both players in the frame and was wondering how far back you had it. Have you determined how far back it needs to be placed in order to cover a typical US TT tournament court (i.e., is placing it at the barriers too close in a typical tournament setup too close?) Also, what did you record this video at - 1280p @ 30 fps or 720p at 60 or 30 fps. Can you use any tripod with this camcorder? How is battery life? I'm interested in an inexpensive camcorder to record my play for analysis, so all these questions.
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 11:03am
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it wasn't placed far enough.... moreover i didn't get the bext angle which would have been somewhat behing one player. i recorded 720p to save memory battery life is very good. it rather surprised me...i could records 5 such matches including practice...and still had some battery left. i will definitely reccomend it from battery life prespective. yeah i used it with a tripod only . ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 11:55am
jinbei - it is nearly impossible to judge players rating level by looking at their video. So we have stopped (almost ) doing that here, on the forum.------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: NoFootwork
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 12:07pm
Thanks. Do you remember about how far back the camera was placed for this video. Have you played around with its placement to see how far back it needs to be placed to properly capture a TT court. Is there a wide angle lense accessory available that might help with this issue. Also, did you record in 720p at 30 fps or 720p at 60fps.
I like its convenience, price and it looks like pretty decent video quality for capturing TT in a typical indoor light setting. Just am concerned about the wide angle aspect of it. Also recording at 720p at 60fps will elimate/reduce arm blur and allow better study in slow motion. Have you looked into that as well.
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 1:21pm
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30fps...to save space also in this club they dont have a standard sized tt arena... and there are walls on both ends... so i had to place the camera somewhat square than where it should have been. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Tinykin_2
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 1:39pm
I can't see the video. The msg reads " This video is private. Is there a way to work around? ------------- Member of Single Ply Club. Shakehand, Kauri wood by American Hinoki, 1-ply 7mm. FH> Gambler Reflectoid. BH> Yasaka Mark V |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 1:53pm
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Debraj has given a precise deviation for his rating - 1800 plus/minus 50. |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 2:04pm
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imago...That's my club rating ...usatt rating is still around 1650 ...reminiscent of a spinmax accedent. Our club is calibrated conservatively with usatt... having some 2200-2300 level players, rated as 2000. My best club rating so far was =1910. ( http://pong.qfwfq.org/sacrec/profile/5032 - http://pong.qfwfq.org/sacrec/profile/5032 ) ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 2:12pm
Yes same here... did you change the privacy settings debraj? ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 2:36pm
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That's a club! 640 members sounds wonderful. And the software is very impressive. |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 3:03pm
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should be okay now.... !! ... yeah i will make it private after you guys see it. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: vanjr
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 3:44pm
| I just want to say thanx for the video. It would be VERY hard to become a decent chopper in that club!! No room. |
Posted By: Tinykin_2
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 5:23pm
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Good, viewed it. Well done. Those barriers look interesting. ------------- Member of Single Ply Club. Shakehand, Kauri wood by American Hinoki, 1-ply 7mm. FH> Gambler Reflectoid. BH> Yasaka Mark V |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 5:26pm
you are right... this however is not my MAIN club, and yes you can't be a chopper, lobber or even away from table looper. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 5:27pm
thx... oh not just interesting they are very effective... better than the butterfly or joola barriers, easier to roll and store, faster to set-up ... they are just awesome. :) ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 12/09/2010 at 10:05pm
Thanks debraj, got it. Great to see you in action mate, thanks for posting that! ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/10/2010 at 2:11am
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thanks haggisv... i wish i could hide my tummy and replace it with a avatar... :) .. will post some better games soon. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: Imago
Date Posted: 12/10/2010 at 6:15am
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How do you know you are not already an avatar of some mighty TT deity? |
Posted By: bozbrisvegas
Date Posted: 12/13/2010 at 4:46pm
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Not sure why I missed the follow up replies to my post here, but thanks Debraj and Anton. Is there any reason you want this video to be private? If you have a look at my http://tenergy05.com - table tennis homepage you will see that I believe Palio is important enough to have it featured. :) If it is a problem then you ought to turn off the feature that says allow to be embedded. I have also included Metal viper who I suggest the same thing to. I mean I have seen other websites embed lots of my videos and all the comments with them directly into a webpage which doesnt bother me really as long as you can see where it came from. Nicefrog has infected "tenergy club". Although to be honest half the people come to my site looking for info about tenergy and the other half for substiutes anyway. So I should really change the name to tenergy x club? All the same I appreciated the chance to finally see Debraj play. ------------- Grubba Variant ALL fh: Hurricane 38 degrees MAX bh: tensor MAX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQgNPkpILsg&list=PL9V-XUSPJgk-loYl2zRhQZ29lsAK7tdLX" rel="nofollow - Watch me playing TT |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 12/13/2010 at 7:11pm
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boz... sorry but there are some reasons to make it private. besides my tummy and unimpressive game, i received a request from my opponent not to make the video public... so i made it private again. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: anubhav1984
Date Posted: 09/18/2014 at 7:04am
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Hey Debraj....Sorry for opening this thread once again! I am returning to the game once again, after a long long break. Would you happen to remember what the final verdict on Palio Thor's was? I am looking to replace my dead rubbers on Galaxy T2 with something new. What would you recommend? Also, given that I have played with Grip-S before, would you be able to compare Thor's with Grip-S? ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FL FH - Undecided BH - Undecided |
Posted By: regiz.rugenz
Date Posted: 09/18/2014 at 10:23am
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if u just restarting to play TT again and would like to test some not too costly rubbers, try Haifu Shark.. it is a resemble of Grip S at half the price.. ------------- Regiz°ᆗ Rosewood_Carbon/Huricane_King °FH:Vega_Japan/T64FX °BH:OmegaV_Euro/Rasant °°°° |
Posted By: anubhav1984
Date Posted: 09/18/2014 at 3:04pm
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Hi Regiz....I haven't just restarted playing. I have continued playing in patches all throughout. I have just restarted EJing and thus was interested in Thors once again. I have played with both Shark and Grip-S and in my opinion, they are nowhere close to each other. But then, that's just my take! ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FL FH - Undecided BH - Undecided |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 3:11am
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anubhav .... i don't like palio thors anymore. i have even come out of saying "it is a great rubber but doesn't suit my game." this is an old video... my rating in the club was around 1700 then ... now its above 1900.... and i have realized lot of things in my journey as an equipment junkie. one realization was that the game doesn't vary too much solely because a rubber is tacky or non tacky. but yes on the overall throw angle. for quite some time i'm solidly behind rasant turbo.... and i looping, blocking, hitting it is better than palio thors.. while thors may bring a little advantage in serving. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: anubhav1984
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 3:14am
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hey debraj....nice to hear that....would it be possible for you to compare Thors with Grip-S? now that you have mentioned it, I would also like to understand how your Rasant Turbo is playing...can you compare that to any other commonly known rubber? Thanks in advance! ------------- Butterfly Viscaria FL FH - Undecided BH - Undecided |
Posted By: regiz.rugenz
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 5:41am
Oops.. I should say Whale closely resemble Grip S.. Shark is more of a bh rubber, I just so happen to try it from a club member the other day. BTW, Rasant Turbo would be a good candidate for EJing, it might not resemble Grip S and a different beast but definitely worth the taste that is not to be missed. Ive been EJing as well and I know sooner or later I would be truing these different flavors anyways.. they just contnue to spice up our love of the game. :D ------------- Regiz°ᆗ Rosewood_Carbon/Huricane_King °FH:Vega_Japan/T64FX °BH:OmegaV_Euro/Rasant °°°° |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/19/2014 at 4:28pm
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i never played grip s.... so can't compare. Palio thors major problem is mid range counter-looping is very difficult due to weird behavior. And also these days i like sightly softer sponge among the hard sponges. Rasant Turbo's hardness is heavenly if feel its not too hard, and not too medium.which is what is like. I can compare it with many rubbers... but just because most people understand it... i will compare say it feels to me like a: - "heavily" tuned 37 degree H2 - or a marginally harder and grippier Tenergy 64 This rubber gives me the confidence of landing a FH stroke sooo much... that my brain can completely focus on the quality of speed and spin and placement, instead worrying about landing the shot. does that make sense? :) but at the same time the short game is very good.. and slow and fast opening loops are very spinny. ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |
Posted By: regiz.rugenz
Date Posted: 09/20/2014 at 4:36am
have you tried Palio Blitz? Its awesome.. surpassed all my amazement of all my past rubbers, including all my Rasants, all my Tenergies, and Rhyzms.. IVe never been so confident in counter looping far from table, amd Blitz just punches the ball with such a nice long trajectory and at nlazing speed that members in the club cant help but be amazed and wonder how the hell I'm doing it that my swings look so easy.. The feeling is just so unbelievable as the rubber punches the ball as I swing on it, with a distinct sound pitch.. even sounds and feels better than my speed glue era. I cant think of any highly price rubber that would do the same.. and it only anout half the price. Best of all, its so Perfect on my fave JRE. it is now my best evet FH rubber... so far. ------------- Regiz°ᆗ Rosewood_Carbon/Huricane_King °FH:Vega_Japan/T64FX °BH:OmegaV_Euro/Rasant °°°° |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 09/22/2014 at 1:30pm
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yes... i played with blitz on my bh for about 3-4 month, around 4 years back when it first came out. tensors have moved through 2 or 3 generations after that. And naturally modern tensors with similar sponge hardness have 2 advantages over blitz.. - they are even more tamed in the short game. - and they retain their peak performance longer ------------- 729-F1||Rhyzm-P(FH)|| Rasant Grip orRhyzm-P max(BH) http://youtu.be/y9y9nE9g778" rel="nofollow - vid1 http://youtu.be/xqNy786yGOs" rel="nofollow - Vid 2 |