Basic Forhand Stroke
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Topic: Basic Forhand Stroke
Posted By: Nori
Subject: Basic Forhand Stroke
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 7:17pm
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Posted By: ZJKandMLfan
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 7:18pm
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theres problems in his loop lol ------------- Blade: Photino FH: Donic Acuda S1, MAX BH: Tenergy 64, MAX |
Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 9:04pm
@ZJKandMLfan What don't you like about his loop? Just curious. I'm not very experienced, but thought it looked all right. |
ZJKandMLfan wrote:Posted By: Hookshot
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 9:25pm
| Backswing TOOOO long. |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 9:57pm
Yeah being that close to the table, it only works when he knows where the ball's coming.. |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 10:18pm
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I have a big stroke, but this is just too big...
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Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 10:29pm
| My stroke is similar. Size of the stroke doesn't really make a difference if you can make the point or can loop the next ball. |
Posted By: ZJKandMLfan
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 10:33pm
first, his swing is way too big and he's not generating that much spin. Also, when he's playing in an actual game, he wont be able to loop at that velocity with him standing that close to the table. Also, watch his right foot when he loops. it keeps coming up which means his weight transfer is not properly done. If you're right foot moves forward, then your recoil time getting ready for ur next shot, will be much slower. Ur right foot just move a LITTLE forward when your looping unless its a HUGE kill. watch professional players warm up, their weight goes frmo their right foot to their left. their left foot goes forward rather then their right ------------- Blade: Photino FH: Donic Acuda S1, MAX BH: Tenergy 64, MAX |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 10:54pm
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his loop technique is good. i do no t know what he is telling.but he is very didactic. he ends closing the blade angle what it is the right way. it seems funny but he is right about what he is teaching. -------------  EJ Club. MM T05(fh)/Srvfx(bh);  InfVps,LSW,Viscaria,RwV,TBAlc,PG7,yextsc,yeo. EJmaster wood.
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Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 11:01pm
This is common when you have a little more time, you displace both feet rotating towards the table, while rotating the upper body. If you watch professionals like wang liqin, ryu seung min, ma long, you will see this type of foot movement. I think it helps recover for the next stroke.
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Posted By: TheRobot99
Date Posted: 04/20/2011 at 11:07pm
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I don't like the beginning of this stroke. He hooks his arm around and behind his back. That takes extra time an energy (and effort) making doing another shot of the same kind difficult to do.
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Posted By: vali
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 3:47am
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Great job man ! Very good stroke! Best form ! ------------- Clipper FH: XIOM Vega Asia , max BH: Yasaka RAKZA7, 2.0 |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 5:06am
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Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 7:47am
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Wow that is bigger back swing than Wang Liqin ------------- Tibhar Defense Plus FH: Joola Phenix BH: Dr. Neubauer Bison 1.5mm "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be…unnatural." |
Posted By: vali
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 9:15am
I don't think is bigger than the guy with the red shirt from this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixt7lfu2_t8 You guys want to have strokes and play with rubbers similar to Chinese players and you forget they have big swings. Look here at Ma Lin ,too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVQsOexAJ4w ------------- Clipper FH: XIOM Vega Asia , max BH: Yasaka RAKZA7, 2.0 |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 9:24am
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How is this basic? In terms of weight transfer, timing, racquet angle... This looks more than advanced... ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: ZingyDNA
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 11:17am
Ma Long was playing a chopper. He had lots of time (especially with his quickness/speed) for big swings close to the table. |
Posted By: gnome
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 2:07pm
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looks a little like kong linghui.. pretty.. (the stroke) Edit: he actually does look like kong linghui with crazy hair. |
Posted By: gatorling
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 5:59pm
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Wow I'd have to agree, that back stroke is ridiculous. Other than that it's a pretty decent stroke. His right foot slipping forward isn't a horrible thing - I think it might be more because his right foot starts really far back. The end position of his right foot is about where a normal stance should be. The right foot moving foward (to me) is a good indicator that he is rotating his hips and shoulders. He is using his arm basically as a whip (well maybe not as noodle like as a whip). Power comes from hip rotation and shoulder rotation. Elbow bending is just a result of normal body mechanics and isn't something that is done on purpose. I'd say his stroke is correct. You don't need that much backswing to generate power and doing such a huge backswing at the table is risky. As far as weight transference - yes ideally you would like to start with 60%-70% of your weight on your right foot then use your right leg to drive the rotation of your hips and then by the end of your stroke 70-80% of your weight is now on your left foot... but that sort of entire body coordination is beyond my skill level for now. If I try to do this complex weight transference what I end up doing is putting 80% of my weight on my right foot..the..entire..stroke - end result being a stroke with much less power. My coach has just told me to simply always put 80% of my weight on my left foot. It may not be the perfect stroke but it will allow me to achieve the proper rotation. After I've mastered this then I can see if I can do this whole weight shifting thing. |
Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 6:14pm
I think that Ma Long's hand barely pases the side of his body. In terminal point of his swing his arm is straight and not that far back behind his body, and his body as whole is turned, so it looks like big swing, but actually he just straightens his arm and turn his body more. But he never have his arm behind his back that far, i think. ------------- Tibhar Defense Plus FH: Joola Phenix BH: Dr. Neubauer Bison 1.5mm "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be…unnatural." |
Posted By: Vassily
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 7:41pm
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Very nice! It really has a bit of the KLH stylish feel! Its a loopkill, or at least a long range reply, so recovery time is probably not so important. I think he just matches the backswing to the time he has. In this case he has lots of time, so of course he takes a nice big backswing and lets rip. He has a very fast relaxed arm though, and he kinda uses his legs to position for the ball while the arm is swinging. ------------- Nittaku Acoustic FL T05 Acuda S2 2.0mm |
Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 7:49pm
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This guy Kong hits a few good forehands off the bounce. He seems to look pretty decent and does some of what the kid above is doing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqI_BisdesY&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqI_BisdesY&feature=related |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 8:22pm
| These guys are just kong linghui haters. Bringing the arm back allows you to attack down the line and crosscourt. |
Posted By: Vladovich
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 8:42pm
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It looks to me that Kong has smaller back swing than Ma Long ------------- Tibhar Defense Plus FH: Joola Phenix BH: Dr. Neubauer Bison 1.5mm "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be…unnatural." |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 8:44pm
| Wang hao has a really big backswing, often it just swings out of line with his shoulder. |
Posted By: ZJKandMLfan
Date Posted: 04/21/2011 at 10:46pm
loks pretty decent? hes a fricking legend:P u guys r forgetting that ma long is playing a chopper and also, that ball that joo is chopping has a lot less spin and therefore he can light that shot up real good. also, if u guys watch ma long play inverted attacking players, his stroke is a LOT smaller and i definitely do not agree on how pros shift their right foot forward. even if they do, it is very little. for the most part, there left leg is doing the movement not the right ------------- Blade: Photino FH: Donic Acuda S1, MAX BH: Tenergy 64, MAX |
Posted By: Nori
Date Posted: 04/22/2011 at 12:56am
50% incorrect. The reason ma long has a bigger stroke against a chopper is because he has more time to wait, prepare his arm, bring it back, and pounce. It has nothing to do with the amount of spin in ma long's particular case. Btw choppers have wayyyyyyyyy more spin than attackers. |
Posted By: king_pong
Date Posted: 04/22/2011 at 12:56am
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I was wondering how many comments it would take before I got a rise outta somebody on here ;) (the dude's got skills. I'd be the first to sign up for the "Kong Linghui fanboy-club", unabashedly!
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