[Video] vs. my training partner
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Topic: [Video] vs. my training partner
Posted By: ohhgourami
Subject: [Video] vs. my training partner
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 4:22am
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He isn't really my training partner, not now at least. We started out our lessons together but we just went our own ways to training plus we got busy with school. But for the past half year, he surpassed me after beating me many times and started beating others rated significantly higher ~300 points. But today we had a chance to play and I got it on video. Before you watch the video, I will say that my serves were really sloppy, much sloppier than usual as I'm in a transition phase with serves. Learning a new serve so cut me some slack on that. Everything else...go ahead and criticize. I believe I counted having my bh touch the ball only once in this match, and it was a push  BTW, I played mostly control in this match. http://youtu.be/xmm2uO_-ryA - http://youtu.be/xmm2uO_-ryA ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
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Posted By: fructu
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 4:41am
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Well, first of all I can't tell you who of the two players you are since you haven't specified yet. - OMG none of you can't almost put a single first attack into the table!!! I think you miss too much. - The player in black t-shirt (not the one in blue) simply moves too slow. In fact when he attacks he lets his blade on top for too long. I'm pretty sure that if I were playing against him and I could block his attack he simply couldn't be able to return the ball back becouse of this. - You both are too slow and play too soft in general. I mean I cannot feel by your body language that you are in tension with your abdomen nor you legs. And other things but I think these are the most important.
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Posted By: glassmaple
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 5:21am
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I feel that you have an idea of what you want to do, but your execution is too slow. By being slow in the first move you're already late for the second. Try to up your pace in your movements, as in getting to the shots and immediately pull back for the next one. By having a much faster arm speed to get to shots (pushes, blocks, loops, everything), you'll give the opponent less time to react and consequently you'll have more time to react. If you do this, all your shots should improve significantly and what you plan out in your mind will actually happen on the table. Your mind's concept of your moment is much faster than what your body is actually doing. A lot of time this timing difference is what makes those horrible playing days where you want to break your paddle in half and just never want to play again. But if you know this, then all you have to do when you're playing horribly and nothing's going in is just to up your movement pace (obviously if your body is super tired that's not going to happen lol) Well, just a theory. Let me know what you guys think. |
Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 5:34am
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hm, switch to Primorac off- and 2x sriver fx/el 1.9mm...( oh, I forgot, boycott butterfly, use some cheaper equivalents), learn all needed shots, body physics, develop good consistancy, your own playing style, and then go for different bat.
------------- http://stonitenis.rs/equipmentreviews" rel="nofollow - Equipment database Yinhe MC-2 FL fh: Xiom Vega pro bh: Xiom Vega pro Boycott Marcos Freitas for hidden services! |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 5:58am
If you are talking about some of the 3rd balls that went into the net from being too slow, then it makes a lot of sense. I feel that mainly my timing has gotten a bit slower as I don't have anyone to practice my big shots with. When my coach was here, he would consistently block back my kill loops with good control so I can keep going and going. I don't have that luxury anymore, plus still being full from dinner doesn't help either... ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
glassmaple wrote:Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 6:03am
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Some times your loops are quite good but they rarely happen. You start your attack with high and slow loop which is easy to kill. Low consistency. Receiving the serve mostly with FH and don't use BH side for it when the ball is going wide. |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 7:54am
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I think your friend is to slow and flat footed but is capable if he would put in some effort, but both of seldom landed any good shots and if 1 of you did the other the other 1 seldom expected it or didnt do much to try and move to get the ball back, To me you are young fit and fast but don't really show it yet (I think both of you both are trying 1 big shot) and then nothing no stratagy no hunger no drive, Im over 50, unfit but I would have chased many of those wider balls with ease, i think you need to play someone who can hit the ball back 3 times to make you play better, that boy with the white shirt on the next table would be better for you lol, anyhow get your serves lower and increase the variation and keep practicing, keep doing drills and .... thats all ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 8:03am
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Im just thinking that someone video'd me at a turnament in the weekend and I have no idea what I would look like, I am going to get a copy on Thursday so it will be very interesting to see myself as we all have this impression of what we think we are like but disaster in real life, the main thing is you are putting your vids out and asking for advice which is great, I might be chicken to do this myself lol but Im older fater but just try hard without any great skills ------------- Ulmo Duality,Donic BlueGrip C2 red max ,Yinhe Super Kim Ox Black NZ table tennis selector, third in the World (plate Doubles)I'm Listed on the ITTF website |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 9:09am
| IMHO you guys are trying to copy pro players too much! |
Posted By: DeIgado
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 9:41am
When i watch you play I feel like your trying so hard to maintain form instead of focusing on the ball thats coming your way. It looks like your wearing 80 lbs worth of clothing. Move your feet and get in position for the incoming ball lol ------------- Viscaria 86g T05 T05-fx 2059 and rising |
Posted By: Tinykin_2
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 11:44am
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I only watched the first game. You guys really strike a good pose. But it all breaks down after the serve. As others have said, it looks as though you simply need loads of practice. ------------- Member of Single Ply Club. Shakehand, Kauri wood by American Hinoki, 1-ply 7mm. FH> Gambler Reflectoid. BH> Yasaka Mark V |
Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 11:47am
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ohhgourami, i'm sorry to say this(i know how hard you've worked!), but there's no forearm snap in your FH. You're still using the raising of your elbow as a source of power. You really need to go back and rework your FH. Look at the position of the elbow relative to the body in the 2 videos below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjYIS7VLl6Q%20 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjYIS7VLl6Q - Zhang Jike - Xu Xin warmup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoROPKeBANM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoROPKeBANM - WLQ - Chen Qi warmup You need to start using the elbow as a fulcrum! ------------- ------- Viscaria FH: Hurricane 8-80 BH: D05 Back to normal shape bats :( |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 12:47pm
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safe loops need more spin....that's all i can say =)
------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 1:03pm
I would agree at this point but still we all have our favorite players and we tend to copy their game style and even inventory. It's ok to buy pro's equipment but to do that we have to reach certain level to handle the speed and spin. However, a lot of players use pro's equipment doing 1 good shot out of 10. Talking about you, HK655 (Liqin choice) which is 90gr+ and H3 National 40deg  !!!! is not the easiest combination to play with. Moreover you got max on your BH. First of all, you don't use your bh and when you use it, it goes not into the table. Your forehand movement is more of brushing. I would recomend you to work on your FH tecnhique or switch to eurotensors. You definitely need a tones of practice to up your consistency. PS. No offence, it is just my opinion about your game. I am not a strong player, probably, a bit better than you but I can point out mistakes.
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Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 1:29pm
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It's very painful watching you two "practice".
Both of you are too advance for your own good. I agree with the poster above about copying the pros too much. Lay off the youtube videos for a while. Around 4:12. Good serve form. Kind of reminds me of some Chinese players. You hit both serves in the net. Change serve. Your opponent has an even better serve pose. Ala-Liu Guoliang. He serves into the net. Too much emphasis on looking good and not on actually making a proper contact and putting the ball ON THE TABLE. That is the objective of the game. Go back to the basics. Do all the basic stroke drills and footwork drills. Repeat. Repeat some more. ... or you can try bowling. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 1:39pm
I think you should forget about your nice 'n fancy fh serves for a while and use simple serves like they do in doubles and develop your game from there. Your movements and basic footwork are still too slow to play the game you'd like to be able to do. When you execute the serves you were doing in the video, your preparation for the return is simply not there. 3rd ball attack is all about putting "quality" on the ball and your big serving motion severely limits your ability to do so. To put it another way, you must learn how to walk before you can sprint. If I were your coach I would ask you to do simple underspin serves with either your fh or bh with a 6-inch toss from now on, nothing fancy, with emphasis on placement and height (all your current serves are too high for my liking). At your level your opponent will most likely push it back, so your job is to concentrate in executing a quality ball on their return. Learn to open against this push with either your fh or bh with quality first... This is the most important aspect of your game. Forget about everything else. Once you can do this comfortably, you are well on your way to 2000. |
Posted By: addoydude
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 1:50pm
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do this - play with money on the line. That will quickly trim down the fat and frills from your game. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon H3 NEO / 388-D1 |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:04pm
| I am a bit surprised with comments in similar http://www.mytt.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41394&PN=1#513509 - topic of another forum member. I am not sure about the US rating system. But his game is way worse than onhgourami and people are talking about 1700 Rating and consistency in his shots and loops. If I didn't watch the video and just read comments I would think he is a really strong player. |
Posted By: addoydude
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:17pm
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what are you talking about? That other guy was estimated at 1100 and he himself admitted he's close to 1100. ------------- Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon H3 NEO / 388-D1 |
Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:18pm
Read the thread you commented. No one said he is 1700. The difference between the two, the players on the first video actually knows how to put the ball on the other side of the table. No fancy serves. Moves better as well. |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:22pm
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If you called him on all of his hidden serves, you definitely would win every match :) It is clear from these games that you both have had the same coach. Your conditioned responses to certain balls are very similar. You both strive to loopkill underspin with a similar stroke. However, your opponent occasionally "scales down" his attack and puts one more ball on the table for the point. He also occasionally opens with big strength from his backhand side. Luckily for you he also makes plenty of unforced errors. Across the match, I think you won all three points when you opened with medium topspin. Oddly enough, during one of the games almost almost all of the points that you won came from the placement and strength of your pushing. in that game, you managed to hit one solid winner, and your opponents unforced errors got you to 11 first. It absolutely terrifies me that you consider him a "control" player! At some point in the development of one's game it becomes necessary to engage in an honest appraisal of how much time and what quality you are willing to invest in practice. I recommend setting realistic goals based on what you are willing to invest. Because it simply hubris to think that you can play points styled after the professionals without putting in the "10,000 hours" of quality training required to do so. For example, if your goal is to play short game and 3rd ball attack, wouldn't it make sense to put all of your eggs in that basket? e.g. have a partner feed you thousands of multiball pushes? And rather than do it blindly, shouldn't the spin patterns and placements of multiball mirror the likely results of what your opponent's second ball would be against your corresponding serves? Also, you could do lots of push and serve receive drills. I'll leave the specifications of those drills to others, but it would seem that if we only have a limited amount of time to practice, that deliberate practice will serve us better than random practice. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: Ndragon88
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:23pm
+1  I do this sometimes. Really helps put u into concentration mode. Ok. My opinions on these and all the other videos I watched of you. Your consistency in everything is very poor. Your opponents do not seem very good, or maybe its that they are trying to be fancy too. No offence but all they would have to do is push and they would win. Either way its practice so they can practice being fancy is they want. My advice would be to work on FH technique seeing as you use it 95% of the time. I feel its not working for you, I haven't seen such a FH technique before. Your arm is so straight and stretched and you lean on your right. It seems to put you at a disadvantage with being ready for your shot. I would say that when you get practice time, use at least 30 mins of it doing basic exercises. FH to FH drive. Loop to block. Loop from underspin. Counterhit from loop. and a little loop to loop (maybe even don't bother for now). I would advise to have a few good practice sessions first though. Give yourself however much time needed to do the following: FH-FH drive - at least 25 each without missing. (that would be 50 counts). Loop-Block - At least 10 successful loops. (start SLOW and ONLY after u hit 10, increase speed a little). I would say maybe even go for 10 3x before increasing. Loop from underspin - 5-10 loops. (focus on spin first so start SLOW. gradually increase) also let your opponent start with little backspin first increasing slightly as you become consistent. Counterhit from loop - 5-10 let your opponent loop and you counterhit it (asuming your partner will be consistent. If not then no big deal just practice it for a good 10-15mins) Loop-Loop is not really a big deal as I don't think you will use it much and is probably the shot you will automatically be decent at. TRUST me this will help u a lot. It might be frustrating a little but it will definitely help. It helped for me when I only play once a week. Getting back into shape with my TT. and if you don't play league then its perfect. Something I shall be doing now that I have finished all my matches in both leagues. If you would like any more tips just PM me I will be happy to help, give my advice and exercises from my experiences. Good luck bro ------------- Stiga Clipper Skyline TG3 NEO/Palio Thors www.youtube.com/ndragon88 |
Posted By: player87
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:28pm
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Ooops, mistake about 1700. I am not sure about it but the shots on the first video are high and easy to return. That's why there is kind of "consistency" in their game. Maybe I am wrong. Just my opinion. |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:32pm
LOL I would do these fh practice things, but I got no one that can block correctly! ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: Ndragon88
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:43pm
Thats ok. He can improve too then ------------- Stiga Clipper Skyline TG3 NEO/Palio Thors www.youtube.com/ndragon88 |
Posted By: Fruit loop
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:43pm
Practice as well as you can until they can block your loops back, sometimes it helps to loop against someone who blocks with different speed and spin on their blocks ------------- Timo Boll Spirit FL Dr Evil ox both sides. |
Posted By: kyle90
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 2:58pm
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i always find your videos funny. you seem to always make the same mistakes and you never seem to take anyone's advice. i'm pretty sure the "2000" player from your other video is more than qualified to practice with you. it's not like you're landing many shots on the table anyways. i think you are very disillusioned regarding the strength of your loops. you obviously aren't putting much spin on the ball otherwise they'd be hitting the table. also, i feel like anyone playing against you will gladly let you loop the ball past them knowing that you only make about 1 out of every 7-8 loops at best. almost any player can beat you just by pushing the ball |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 3:05pm
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These guys are at the level where they have not learned how to rally, they are playing each stroke as an entity, pre- determining their attacks without adapting to last second changes, that is why they are inconsistent. They look the part, but their stage of developement cannot be hidden. More time on the table needed. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/26/2011 at 11:35pm
He is a control player when he plays other attackers. His consistency at blocking is better than people ~1500 so he will win. But both learning tt together, I know his weaknesses as much as he knows mine. His shortgame is weak so I exploit that to its fullest. To be honest, I was lazy while playing him so I didn't make the effort to do too much attacking. BTW, my opening loops have a lot more spin than it may seem. And against an opponent is just waiting for you to open big, it is not the best idea to give a big drive when a spinny loop that he can't block back on the table is 10x better. He knows where I land my big loops while 2000s don't. Funny isn't it? ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 2:03am
I am super confused. Can he block or not block? I don't recall your training partner blocking much in the match? Is it because you didn't hit the ball to him? Or because he failed to move to the ball? I am confused. And disregard fruit loops comments about what you want from a blocking partner. You want someone with a solid enough block that they can "clean up the ball" and provide you with the same shot to repeat again and again until you can develop consistency. You don't want them varying speed and spin and throwing off your timing/learning process. This little story reminds me of the last time I had the chance to hit with a "great blocker" where I could practice re-looping (i think i made it as far as 6-8 times in a row, i don't think i had the consistency to do ten). It was a 1900+ player who had very good control. And don't get me wrong, the guy can certainly rip the ball, but he also happens to have the consistency and control to place good ball after good ball. I figured it made more sense for me to ask him to practice something specific than to play a game. Playing a game is a waste of his time; at least blocking my loops, he gets to practice his control against erratic amounts of spin.[ ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: ituning.technology
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 2:07am
Primorac off- and Sriver fx/el is complete garbage. . .I would rather play with a clipboard. I am sure he can develop with the setup he has now, The Primorac will just make him play worse. . . ------------- Equipment: blade: JOOLA Tusk FL rubber: JOOLA Custom Drum 2.25/ JOOLA Rhyzm 2.25 |
Posted By: ituning.technology
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 2:12am
what do you do? copy sh*t players? The goal is to play better, and never hurts to dream high. ------------- Equipment: blade: JOOLA Tusk FL rubber: JOOLA Custom Drum 2.25/ JOOLA Rhyzm 2.25 |
Posted By: ituning.technology
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 2:13am
Tinykin_2 Well said. ------------- Equipment: blade: JOOLA Tusk FL rubber: JOOLA Custom Drum 2.25/ JOOLA Rhyzm 2.25 |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 2:14am
| I would work on incorporating returning with the backhand and backhand loop. |
Posted By: ituning.technology
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 2:17am
lol, that sounds like a good plan, maybe we should play for money as well. =] ------------- Equipment: blade: JOOLA Tusk FL rubber: JOOLA Custom Drum 2.25/ JOOLA Rhyzm 2.25 |
Posted By: ituning.technology
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 2:19am
I agree with you on this one, on the forum, every talks like they are pros. ------------- Equipment: blade: JOOLA Tusk FL rubber: JOOLA Custom Drum 2.25/ JOOLA Rhyzm 2.25 |
Posted By: qynthnghm
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 3:02am
I don't understand why you are being so incredibly defensive on ohhgourami's behalf. Did you create an account just for that? Skyline was just giving his honest opinion and a legitimate criticism. Now here's mine; there isn't any inherent harm in emulating professionals (we've all probably done it to an extent), but a player should try to develop his basic skills and eventually discover his own style of play rather than focus on looking pro. That's a surefire way to embarrass yourself especially when your strokes utterly lack consistency. You have entirely missed the point. If you want to play like the Chinese, you should train like them. And before you miss the point again, I don't mean copy them. |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 3:04am
He can block by landing it on the table but he can't give a consistent block. No rhythm. And it's not like I do not give a consistent loop. He doesn't block much in this match because I don't give him the chance to block. Either end the point at short game, play his fh, or give lots of spin to his bh - none of which he is comfortable with. ------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: qynthnghm
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 3:06am
Any chance you can find a robot to play against? |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 3:09am
| A training tip is, get a really slow setup and play with it. Your opening shot will not win you the point, and you will get to work on footwork and rallies in game. |
Posted By: ohhgourami
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 3:24am
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I have no access to a robot
------------- Custom Walnut 7-ply DHS H3 Provincial untuned 40° BTY T64 210g |
Posted By: garwor
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 4:14am
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you should both switch to slower equipment, as I said in previous comment, which will force you to develop better shots and use of body, also points will last longer so you can practice various loops, blocks, hits...
------------- http://stonitenis.rs/equipmentreviews" rel="nofollow - Equipment database Yinhe MC-2 FL fh: Xiom Vega pro bh: Xiom Vega pro Boycott Marcos Freitas for hidden services! |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 4:22am
I think he should simply play slower, period... Smaller strokes, tighter and lower serves, smaller foot movements, etc... The key is to be efficient with energy transfer and sustainability of fluid movements. |
Posted By: bleachfan92
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 4:37am
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You look like chen qi while preparing for the serve and serving... I think its possible to use a fast equipment and learn just that it will take a much longer time and that overall strokes will be more constricted because you are afraid of hitting the ball out... Anyway maybe you can try a better coach to work more on your basics and challenge more players to find out ur weaknesses...just playing w a few regulars may not be bad but limits ur exposure to different styles. Just what I think...as long as you have the passion and interest to improve and be better you can definitely improve. |
Posted By: APW46
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 4:44am
So the best players in your area may be sh*t compared to the best players in the world, but unless you are training full time, you will have a much better chance of achieving your realistic potential by copying them, than by trying to play above what is possible for you. ------------- The Older I get, The better I was. |
Posted By: bluebucket
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 5:11am
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That's a good advice, It's a bit like me trying to dance and going straight for swan lake lol, realistically I could manage the twist and still have fun :). I doubt it's a local thing only but I've noticed something about young kids that develop and those that don't. The kids that become the next generation of club champions are the ones that spend their spare time between matches at the top tables in the club quietly watching, in the end they will make it to their self imposed goal without any formal coaching. The kids that don't watch and run around like headless chickens never make it
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Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 12:43pm
Good observations. Our club has two teenagers that started in 2006. They are both multi-sport athletes, coordinated, good reflexes, etc. The more competitive one (the desire to win, and the smarts to figure out how to win) is playing at about US1700 and the other is only about US1000. The former player was inquisitive, and picked up "tricks/tips/techniques" from all the better players and built his own two winged topspin game that is a mix of strong service including deception and very powerful spins. The latter player primarily played against weaker players, and didn't reach out for help developing his game. In spite of the fact that both of these players hit with each other frequently, and that the latter player has all of the advantages that should allow him to reach 1500 (he's a lefty with a consistent allround game who can both defend and counterattack) he simply lacks the will to win. In this specific case, I believe that it's not a question of "talent", it's simply a question of desire and the ability to develop and execute strategies and tactics that are successful. Ironically, the weaker player won the B division of our league singles tournament this year, he will be forced to play against A players next season (which range from US1000-1900). I'm curious to see if this exposure will help him raise his level, or if he will continue to be unaffected by a new round of losses. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: Ndragon88
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 1:05pm
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instead of making excuses one must recognise, admit then act accordingly. Asking for help with the mind to learn is at the utmost importance. Otherwise you will not learn anything. Taking videos of myself was the best thing I ever done as it made me realise just how good (or bad) I am. But even my first video I was in denial and made excuses. But its something you just have to get over. When you actually look back at your videos and judge honestly you will be surprised just how many faults you have. Even me recently I had a video of playing a modern defender. I got BORED of my own video. How about that ------------- Stiga Clipper Skyline TG3 NEO/Palio Thors www.youtube.com/ndragon88 |
Posted By: tpgh2k
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 1:45pm
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during warmups with dalamchops and hwa, we get to around 5-6 consistent 75% power loops. lamchops is thinking about switching to pips again so his blocks are different than smooth rubbers. all in all, it just takes a lot of practice and having someone who's willing to train with you.
------------- www.youtube.com/gsutabletennis Timo Boll Spirit FL H3 Blue Sponge Black FH Tenergy 64 Red BH |
Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 3:49pm
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My opinions For training partners: as mentioned by icontek and several others, you need someone that is at a higher level than you or is a least a good blocker. Progression is difficult/ slower with someone at your level unless you have a coach to work with you and your training partner. If you don't have the luxury of finding a player of a higher level to work with, you need to focus on other aspects of the drill. Training: When training and your partner is not very good at blocking, take the opportunity to focus on your anticipation and footwork. I do not feel that a person should believe/ feel entitled to the ball landing in the same spot every time. By that I mean, a person shouldn't get frustrated when someone can't block to the FH corner when doing cross court counter hits or loops when warming up, or the ball doesn't land on the lines when doing a 3 point footwork drill. Although when training it would be ideal that the ball goes where it's supposed to, and the ball certainly does go where its supposed to when training with higher rated players, however unless you are fortunate enough to train with someone of a higher level or with a coach, training is rarely "ideal." Ball usually isn't blocked perfectly, and sometimes the spin isn't what you want it to be. My point is: the mentality that should be taken in training is to focus on getting to every ball, not expecting the ball to come to you. I will now get off my soap-box. Thanks for reading. ------------- Bty Jun Mizutani ZLC FH: D80 BH: D05 |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 6:34pm
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Jeff, that was some great (and realistic) feedback. There's a big nugget of wisdom in there that took me a minute to figure out. Oh-G mentions that his training partner can't block for him, but what if he puts the shoe on the other foot? I had a player who loved to hit with me but unfortunately during FH FH crosscourt counters he would love to smash every third ball. It was very frustrating, as, both of us being low level players, it would interrupt the rhythm of the sequence, and I could not control the block return (I would miss the table, or miss the FH side entirely). However, after several sessions, I realized that if I dropped back and to the right slightly (1 foot or so) each time I saw his larger backswing, I could counter the ball back to him. At first he was amazed that it came back. And then he started being able to hit multiple smashes. I went from being angry with him that he was ruining our drill to being thankful that he helped me learn how to return his biggest shot. Similarly, I think Oh-G and his partner have some opportunities. But perhaps learning to block a powerful loop drive is putting the cart before the horse. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: Carbon TT
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 7:20pm
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I still would say you play with no vigor in your game, you don't seem to play with any energy, same goes for your partner. And, there's really no soft way of putting this, but your opponent has extremely illegal serves. No umpire with a conscience and any allegiance to the rule book would let any of those fly.
I honestly thought it was difficult to tell who was better in this video, maybe your opponent but only marginally at best. ------------- Primorac Carbon MX-P | EL-P |
Posted By: ituning.technology
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 10:41pm
I was just giving my opinion too. there is no harm in dreaming high. ------------- Equipment: blade: JOOLA Tusk FL rubber: JOOLA Custom Drum 2.25/ JOOLA Rhyzm 2.25 |
Posted By: icontek
Date Posted: 04/27/2011 at 10:57pm
I think what he was saying is that if you spend like a millionaire without having the investments to back it up that you will be bankrupt or worse. Because in sport or finance, success may begin with a dream, but without realistic goals and the plans to achieve them, your dreams will remain not just elusive... but illusive as well. ------------- http://bit.ly/vLMhuB" rel="nofollow - - RC1042 . OSP Virtuoso AC: PK50 + R42 |
Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 04/28/2011 at 12:05am
That is a really good example of what I'm trying to say. It's really rewarding to find solutions after you approach them from a different perspective. I used to get really frustrated about balls not going where I wanted them to go when warming up and drilling, but now I'm glad they did because they forced me to adjust my body position to get to those balls and hit them cleanly (or at least try to hit them cleanly  ).------------- Bty Jun Mizutani ZLC FH: D80 BH: D05 |
Posted By: tomas.gt
Date Posted: 04/29/2011 at 3:44am
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winning TT game is about keeping the ball on the table At least I have seen slow Asians ;) ------------- Kokutaku Bishu no.1 ST - H3N red , BTfly Spinart 2.1 black |