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Topic: Playing against national team member
Posted By: ball_so_hard
Subject: Playing against national team member
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 4:39pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUPxKs7EiVU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUPxKs7EiVU

I had no chance but this is what it feels like to play against a pro.



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Posted By: BizLawProf
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 5:13pm
I can't find a single record of this match @ U.S. Open.  Is this actually the match stated in the title or did Wang play someone other than Tao Wenzhang?


Posted By: The Observer
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 5:18pm
You did really well considering the level of the opponent. But, when was Tao a national team member? Are we talking about China?


Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 5:22pm
Well I'm not sure, but he was Zhang Jike's practice partner for a while.


Posted By: BizLawProf
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 5:27pm
If it really was against Tao and the video's titled correctly, you played a very competitive match.


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by BizLawProf BizLawProf wrote:

I can't find a single record of this match @ U.S. Open.  Is this actually the match stated in the title or did Wang play someone other than Tao Wenzhang?
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It was U-21 "Preliminary Round".   (Wang is in position 11, and Tao is in position 12.)
 
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/test/matches_per_round1.asp?s_Event_Type=MS_U21Q&Competition_ID=2229&rnd=16" rel="nofollow - http://www.ittf.com/competitions/test/matches_per_round1.asp?s_Event_Type=MS_U21Q&Competition_ID=2229&rnd=16


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 6:18pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Well I'm not sure, but he was Zhang Jike's practice partner for a while.
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Tao Wenzhang is a reserve player of this club, 山东鲁能乒乓球俱乐部.
 
He doesn't have much chance to play.
I do not know if he is a CNT's B-team member or not.
(Definitely not an A-team member.)
 

山东鲁能乒乓球俱乐部  ( http://www.lntt.cn/portal.php?mod=view&aid=140" rel="nofollow - - 文

http://www.lntt.cn/portal.php?mod=view&aid=140" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: ttman
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 6:30pm
C'mon guys give Allen some credit most of you wouldn't get a single serve back.... The "if it really was Tao" comment is just stupid

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 6:33pm
The club has quite a few very famous players (Men & Women). 
Tao Wenzhang is not a significant player in that particular club, far less so nationally.
 
http://www.lntt.cn/Team/" rel="nofollow - http://www.lntt.cn/Team/


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUPxKs7EiVU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUPxKs7EiVU

I had no chance but this is what it feels like to play against a pro.
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Even though you lost the match to the eventual winner of U-21, you did beat Tao pretty bad in the first game.


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Posted By: naijachief
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 9:42pm
Tao has a usatt rating of 2722 and has a win over Eugene Wang at the 2011 Baltimore teams.


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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 11:29pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

The club has quite a few very famous players (Men & Women). 
Tao Wenzhang is not a significant player in that particular club, far less so nationally.
 
http://www.lntt.cn/Team/" rel="nofollow - http://www.lntt.cn/Team/

Skip you're wrong. Tao is one of the main practice partners to Zhang Jike, and hes the first alternate on the Super League team if something were to happen. 


Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by BizLawProf BizLawProf wrote:

If it really was against Tao

I mean there's pretty clear evidence on the linked video...


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 11:44pm
cmets said:  "Skip you're wrong. Tao is one of the main practice partners to Zhang Jike."
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Well, I rest my case.
 
*** Just like a couple of years ago, Hu Limei served as Ding Ning's practice partner.


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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 08/05/2013 at 11:52pm
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

cmets said:  "Skip you're wrong. Tao is one of the main practice partners to Zhang Jike."
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Well, I rest my case.

Please explain how being the main practice partner for the best in the world makes you insignificant at the club level. 


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 12:09am
cmets said: "Please explain how being the main practice partner for the best in the world makes you insignificant at the club level."
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So, according to your view, two years or so ago when Hu Limei served as Ding Ning's practice partner, Hu Limei was a significant player.  Limei drew her salary that way because that's her job.  Tao got a similar job now, and draw his salary on it.
 
Your view is that Limei was a significant player two years or so ago, and Tao is a significant player now.
Your view may very well be right, and may very well be the mainstream view.
 
*** Don't get me wrong.  I am a penholder and really like how Tao plays.  I have collected all Tao's match videos that are available and plan to carefully study how he plays.  I was among the earliest who searched on Chinese's websites about Tao Wenzhang.  I think I posted about Tao more than anyone else here.  May be I am narrow minded, despite I like how he plays, I don't think Tao is a siginificant player in China (or even in his club).


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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 12:10am
Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

cmets said: "Please explain how being the main practice partner for the best in the world makes you insignificant at the club level."
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So, according to your view, two years or so ago when Hu Limei served as Ding Ning's practice partner, Hu Limei was a significant player.  Limei drew her salary that way because that's her job.  Tao got a similar job now, and draw his salary on it.
 
Your view is that Limei was a significant player two years or so ago, and Tao is a significant player now.
Your view may very well be right, and may very well be the mainstream view.

Dude go re-read what you said originally lol “Tao Wenzhang is not a significant player in that club"


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 12:37am
Tao Wenzhang is not a significant player in that club"
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That's my view, you are entitled to your view.
Btw, I have editted my earlier post.  (but after you already posted.)
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My following comment is something I am not quite so sure.
If you look at the club's site.  It tends to list the player on the decreasing playing levels from left to right, then from first row to second row.
(Above observation is about Major Players, men and women.)
 
If that scheme is carried over to the back-up players, then Tao may be considered the least capable of the 8 back-up players in their club's view. (I am unsure about this, however.)
 
 
http://www.lntt.cn/Team/" rel="nofollow - http://www.lntt.cn/Team/
 
PS:  Btw, many of my posts about Tao were in another thread, 2013 US Open Challenge Series.
 
 


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 4:46am
Guys, I think you are taking this too seriously.

I'm not very connected with LNTTC, but Li Yang of Guang Dong, he is a bench player in his club - same as Tao Wenzhang.

Li Yang as you guys know, has good wins in the Russian league and through out his career, but in Super League, he is really just a bench warmer, and only used some times to play doubles, and this was before Ovtcharov joined the team

CNT members also consist of practice partners, in other words - you make the national team, and get national colours for the sport, but your role and responsbility is to be a practice partner only.

I am not sure too, but I can find out if Tao Wenzheng is in CNT B or not, but I am pretty sure he is (all super league youngsters are in B team)


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:08am
I have tried and failed to find a Chinese website that will list the current CNT-A and CNT-B members.

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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:26am
Tao Wenzheng enter CNT B team in 2010
2011 he Join Shangdong LNTTC as Division A player. This year he is still Division A player (not Super League)


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:37am
He is from AnHui Province,
Born 21 April 1994
Apparently he first join Shandong in 2008.
Then he was exchange to Qingdao, and was a team mate of Zhou Xin and came back to Shandong in 2011.



Posted By: gatorling
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 10:51am
A little off topic
but is Qingtao the same as Tsingtao who makes that delicious Chinese beer?


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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 11:14am
Originally posted by gatorling gatorling wrote:

A little off topic
but is Qingtao the same as Tsingtao who makes that delicious Chinese beer?
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I think you are right, that's the beer they export to USA, serving in many Chinese restaurants.
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After US Open, RC rated Tao at 2794, #106 in the world.
 
http://www.ratingscentral.com/EventDetail.php?EventID=13092#P45496" rel="nofollow - http://www.ratingscentral.com/EventDetail.php?EventID=13092#P45496
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ITTF ranked Tao Wenzhang as #425 in the world (August, 2013).
 


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Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 11:29am
Originally posted by ttman ttman wrote:

C'mon guys give Allen some credit most of you wouldn't get a single serve back.... The "if it really was Tao" comment is just stupid

+1 Thumbs Up


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 11:29am
Originally posted by gatorling gatorling wrote:

A little off topic
but is Qingtao the same as Tsingtao who makes that delicious Chinese beer?


Qingtao/Qingdao is the City,
Tsingtao is the company name, in the city - so yes Wink


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 11:30am
Originally posted by Pondus Pondus wrote:

Originally posted by ttman ttman wrote:

C'mon guys give Allen some credit most of you wouldn't get a single serve back.... The "if it really was Tao" comment is just stupid

+1 Thumbs Up


I agree,
for a moment I thought Tao was wearing the USA top, in fact more than half the match Allen (USA top) was doing better


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 12:26pm

Blame the USATT (or the NATT who rates players for the USATT) for the comment about whether this was really Tao.  In their infinite wisdom (likely because the ITTF events didn't collect USATT rating fees), they decided not to rate the US Open matches which were ITTF sanctioned.



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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 08/06/2013 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Blame the USATT (or the NATT who rates players for the USATT) for the comment about whether this was really Tao.  In their infinite wisdom (likely because the ITTF events didn't collect USATT rating fees), they decided not to rate the US Open matches which were ITTF sanctioned.


Probably the rating fee reason. I'm gonna blame that comment on the lack of looking at the video and clearly seeing it was Tao Wenzhang though Shocked


Posted By: saif
Date Posted: 08/07/2013 at 12:15pm
Allen, very nice play from you. Those sidespin fades are particularly marvelous. And I think you can unleash more lethal backhands than what you currently posses.

Subscribed to your channel. Expecting more videos soon. Tongue


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Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/07/2013 at 6:12pm
still trying to improve ! thanks for the support!


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 08/07/2013 at 9:44pm
allen will own 90% us here in the forums hehehe

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Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 08/07/2013 at 9:45pm
I'd say 90% is a little low lol. 

His backhand is super-money. 


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/07/2013 at 10:29pm
In 2 years, Allen will probably be US Champ.  Depends on the competition of course.


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Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 08/07/2013 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

In 2 years, Allen will probably be US Champ.  Depends on the competition of course.

I think he definitely can do that. IMO he should be working on explosiveness and strength training to progress even further. Right now I think he doesn't have the point finishing power yet, especially on the FH. I like his strokes, they are very solid and he has quite a lot of feeling for the ball and the defense is stellar. Could be the next American Oh Sang Eun for all you know. 


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Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 10:38am
Competition is really tough. A lot of upcoming juniors from california but hopefully some training in Sweden can help me improve more. Wink


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 10:53am
Allen, how tall are you?
And how old are you if I may ask too?


Posted By: bonggoy
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 11:04am
Apparently, Tao Wenzhang translates to Pottery Articles in English according to Google.



Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 11:05am
Originally posted by bonggoy bonggoy wrote:

Apparently, Tao Wenzhang translates to Pottery Articles in English according to Google.



haha, true, if you translate word by word


Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 2:55pm
I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry


Posted By: slevin
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry

You're in the wrong sport - the sixers just traded Jru Holiday and they need a point guard Smile


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Posted By: Pondus
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry

Dude, that's not a bad thing... as I'm sure you know, several great players are tall (ie 6'2" or taller).



Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 4:33pm
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry

You're in the wrong sport - the sixers just traded Jru Holiday and they need a point guard Smile

Don't think I'm gonna play for them unless I start over Michael Carter Williams Big smile hahaha 


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 4:34pm
wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!


Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 6:54pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

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Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Now we talking
seriously, 6.2, 15 years old, you have a chance hey.
Just need to work on your "spin, speed and controls" Wink

PS I added you on FB, please accept - Tonys Table Tennis.
Or you want me to rename to Tonys Basketball? Tongue


Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 7:43pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Now we talking
seriously, 6.2, 15 years old, you have a chance hey.
Just need to work on your "spin, speed and controls" Wink

PS I added you on FB, please accept - Tonys Table Tennis.
Or you want me to rename to Tonys Basketball? Tongue

confirmed Big smile I like the sound of that Clap


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 08/08/2013 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed
Does your father know?  Does he drive you to the basketball court with Amy?  LOL!

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Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/09/2013 at 10:17am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

wow....
I also vote- NBA!!!
or even CBA!!!

WinkWink yes of course! haha


I hope you Parents, Family, Coaching staff and Fans do not look at this thread and see what we are suggesting to you :)
They just might think MYTT is a bad influence haha
Yeah - you don't invest all that money in training for TT and then wake up and decide "Well, I want to go shoot hoops...."

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed
Does your father know?  Does he drive you to the basketball court with Amy?  LOL!

Yes of course! He also claims to be a shorter version of Jeremy lin back then Wink


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/09/2013 at 10:44am
So Allen, whats the possibility that you become pro in Basketbal VS TT?


Posted By: blahness
Date Posted: 08/09/2013 at 9:36pm
Probably higher in Basketball :P 

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Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/10/2013 at 10:01am
Sorry to say the obvious: 
Here in the USA, there are lots of money in Pro Basketball, there is no money in TT.
If you can make it in the Pro Basketball, then by all means.
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As far as I know (probably not much), there is no TT player here makes a living by playing only.  However, one can make some money by coaching.
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TT coaches in hot spots (MD, NJ, NY and CA) can make far more money than those in Charlotte, NC..
Then again, I only know approximately how much money our coaches make here.
(Btw, we share our facility with the Badminton Club, so we open only half of the time.)
 
The estimated earnings of our 4 coaches are:  One makes about $15,000 a year, and the remaining three make under $5,000 each per year. (None depends on coaching to live.)
 
Strangely enough, the one who makes most of the money is the one who has the lowest usatt rating.  The reason being that he was the very first guy who started coaching in our club, very dedicated, and his earliest two students were 10 years old kids - subsequently all new kids went to him for lessons.  He has a monopoly on coaching kids here.  And, he also has adult students.
 
The other 3 higher usatt rated coaches just don't have any kids as a student.
 
In TT hot spots, the demand for coaching is high, coaches' schedules are full and can command pay for as much as $70+ an hour.  Here in Charlotte, NC, the coaching demand is low - only one coach is relatively busy during the club's operating hours, the other 3 only coach occasionally due to lack of demand, all command about half the pay rate as TT hotspots.
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Info for Allen Wang:  Your usatt rating is higher than all our club's coaches. (Btw, our club is weak, no 2400 level player in our club.)  You are already good enough to being a coach.
 


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Posted By: BizLawProf
Date Posted: 08/10/2013 at 1:00pm
Quote C'mon guys give Allen some credit most of you wouldn't get a single serve back.... The "if it really was Tao" comment is just stupid


It would be a good idea not to use the word "stupid" in reference to another too loosely. 

I said "if it was Tao" in the context of just having gone over 2013 U.S. Open results and not seeing one match between Mr. Wang and Mr. Tao, I had also just gone over the USATT ratings history for both players and failed to find a single match ever between the two.  At the time I made the comment, I didn't know about preliminary matches at the Open that show up nowhere on the results or in the records or about the ITTF/USATT results distinction, I assumed the USATT would include such matches in their records. Not an absurd assumption. 

I give Mr. Wang a great deal of credit, I know full well that he's an outstanding player though not quite world class (yet); I could also tell that his opponent, whether his name was Tao or not, was a tremendous player.  I was honestly wondering if perhaps Mr. Wang had played another very fine Chinese opponent but had merely been mistaken as to his name.  That was all.

I never meant to mock or ridicule one who could take me to the woodshed if we ever played.


Posted By: skip3119
Date Posted: 08/10/2013 at 1:20pm
Here is ITTF's record of Allen Wang vs Tao Wenzhang.
(The 7th match on this page.)
(Wang beat Tao badly in the first game, but lost all the remaining games.)
 
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
20:00 3/7/2013
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=116014&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - HSU Nathan USA
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -

vs

http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=117340&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - TAO Wenzhang CHN
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -
7-11, 11-6, 6-11, 9-11,11-9,8-11, - 2-4
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series
Semi Final

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
16:15 3/7/2013
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=117340&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - TAO Wenzhang CHN
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -

vs

http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=121215&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - JAFAR Shuja USA
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -
11-3, 12-10, 11-7, 14-12,-,-, - 4-0
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

Men's Singles (Qual Groups)
12:30 3/7/2013
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=121190&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - CHEN Bowen ^^ USA
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -

vs

http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=117340&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - TAO Wenzhang CHN
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -
8-11, 10-12, 13-11, 4-12,12-14,-, - 1-4
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
12:30 4/7/2013
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=116073&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - OU Jonathan USA
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -

vs

http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=117340&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - TAO Wenzhang CHN
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -
5-11, 10-12, 4-11, -,-,-, - 0-3
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series
Semi Final

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=117340&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - TAO Wenzhang CHN
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -

vs

http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=1&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - BYE --- ---
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -
-, -, -, -,-,-, - -

ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series

U21 Boys (Qual. Groups)
09:30 4/7/2013
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=117340&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - TAO Wenzhang CHN
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -

vs

http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=119464&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - KUMAR Shivansh ^ USA
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -
12-10, 11-9, 11-9, -,-,-, - 3-0
TAO Wenzhang
ITTF World Tour, US Open, Americas Challenge Series
Round of 16

U21 Boys Singles (Pre. Rounds)
14:00 4/7/2013
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=116117&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - WANG Allen USA
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -

vs

http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=117340&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow - TAO Wenzhang CHN
http://www.ittf.com/competitions/matches_per_player_all.asp?P_ID=&Competition_ID=" rel="nofollow -
11-4, 8-11, 5-11, 5-11,-,-, - 1-3
TAO Wenzhang


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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/11/2013 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Sounds like the East Coast remake of "Ping Pong Playa" Smile

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Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/12/2013 at 10:12pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

been shooting hoops a couple years now Embarrassed


Sounds like the East Coast remake of "Ping Pong Playa" Smile

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That's like my life story bro. Hahaha, the movie was disappointing though, they needed a better actor, like me! LOL


Posted By: naijachief
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 12:08am
I like this thread but......why the discussion on the money making possibilities between basketball and table tennis? Does ANYBODY in America believe there are families investing so much money in their child to become a PROFESSIONAL table tennis player? When I mean professional, I mean playing or involved in table tennis as a main source of income.

I'm sure if there was ANY remote possibility of Allen becoming a pro basketball player, the switch to basketball would have been made a long time ago. Some coach from somewhere would have convinced the family to make the switch if it even needed to go that far.

I don't know Allen's future in table tennis but from what I've noticed from other top juniors in the past is the "dream" to be the next Wang Liqin ends once they enroll in college or they get to around 21 years old and are stuck at 2600 level. Which doesn't guarantee a second round win at the US Open. Lol.

Unfortunately, this is the main reason why America can't produce a top 100 player anymore. There is absolutely no money to be made in TT and we have other sports in America that will make you stinking rich if you make it pro.

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Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 12:43am
I read somewhere that making to the NBA is as hard as becoming a surgeon.  But there is a big difference.  If you fail miserably at becoming a surgeon, you can still end up a nurse or something and should have no problem make a very decent living.
By the way, you do not need to be a pro.  There are many scholarships available for kids who are good as sport.  I know a kid who get to Ivy League schools on Tennis scholarship (by the way, he is good, but not world class or even national class).  I also had classmates/coaches who came to the US on a sport scholarship.  I believe you can study other majors instead of sport related ones (the Argentina girl in my class majored in Hotel Management).
However, I have never heard of a scholarship for TT.  Maybe some of you reach people should start donating money to universities.


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Posted By: ttplayer92
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 12:54am
Im pretty sure Texas Wesleyan offers scholarships! 

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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 10:41am
Originally posted by chu_bun chu_bun wrote:

I read somewhere that making to the NBA is as hard as becoming a surgeon.  But there is a big difference.  If you fail miserably at becoming a surgeon, you can still end up a nurse or something and should have no problem make a very decent living.
By the way, you do not need to be a pro.  There are many scholarships available for kids who are good as sport.  I know a kid who get to Ivy League schools on Tennis scholarship (by the way, he is good, but not world class or even national class).


Ivy League schools are not allowed to offer any athletic scholarships (not even for basketball). Kids may have an advantage in admissions, but no one there gets money for sports.

In basketball, there are actually quite a few options to play professionally below the NBA; many college players continue in Europe for example. They probably won't get rich though.

As skip said, the USA may actually be the country (outside China) with the highest number of table tennis pros - but as coaches not players. As a coach you can indeed make a decent living, and not just while you're young.


Posted By: beeray1
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by ttplayer92 ttplayer92 wrote:

Im pretty sure Texas Wesleyan offers scholarships! 

so does Lindenwood


Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 8:23pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:


Ivy League schools are not allowed to offer any athletic scholarships (not even for basketball). Kids may have an advantage in admissions, but no one there gets money for sports.


That's strange.  It was about 6 yrs back, but I'm pretty sure he said he got accepted to Standford on a tennis scholarship.  Of course you don't get paid playing for your school team (this may change in a near future), but consider the tuition at these school, a full scholarship could easily be >100K, plus a prestige degree,  I would say the money spent on coaching and time on practicing are a very good investment. 
About Texas Wesleyan, no offend but I'm not sure if any smart and talented kids would want to go there!


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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 10:45pm
Stanford is not Ivy League.  It is Pac 12.  Ivy League is Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia, Princeton.

Stanford is an elite private university, academically superior to several of the Ivy League schools in most ratings, but unlike Ivy League it competes in college sports at the highest possible level, and if someone got a tennis scholarship there, he/she must be really really really good. 

From what I have seen of students who have come out of Texas Wesleyan, I would not send my kids there.


Posted By: AgentHEX
Date Posted: 08/13/2013 at 11:20pm
Originally posted by chu_bun chu_bun wrote:

I read somewhere that making to the NBA is as hard as becoming a surgeon.  But there is a big difference.  If you fail miserably at becoming a surgeon, you can still end up a nurse or something and should have no problem make a very decent living.
By the way, you do not need to be a pro.  There are many scholarships available for kids who are good as sport.  I know a kid who get to Ivy League schools on Tennis scholarship (by the way, he is good, but not world class or even national class).  I also had classmates/coaches who came to the US on a sport scholarship.  I believe you can study other majors instead of sport related ones (the Argentina girl in my class majored in Hotel Management).
However, I have never heard of a scholarship for TT.  Maybe some of you reach people should start donating money to universities.


Usually becoming a surgeon is much more of a sure thing as long as one's willing to work hard.

Pro athlete in general is terrible career choice even for popular sports. Even if the player base is unionized (ie high min wages), the average career is short enough that most atheletes end up broke shortly after leaving the game. The problem with TT specifically in the US is that our highest level isn't that high so going pro (ie winning on the big stage) isn't really feasible.

In sum, better play sports as amateurs and enjoy it for what it is. Oh and stay in school.


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Posted By: BizLawProf
Date Posted: 08/14/2013 at 1:39pm
I second AgentHex's sentiment.

Unless you're unbelievably good at one of the major sports, it's an incredibly poor career choice.  And maybe it's less than optimum even if you are that good.  The average lifespan of most pro sports careers in NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL is maybe 5 years.  Not many pros come out of such sports with all that much to tide them over for the rest of their careers because they typically can't handle a sudden influx of capital, like the proverbial lottery winner who's bankrupt a few years later.  Those sports often break down the bodies of the participants, so you're washed up by your mid-30s, maybe by your late 20s, perhaps partially disabled, and on the downside just when most are starting to reach the early end of their career prime.

On the other hand, table tennis, which they say actually strengthens the mind and does little to tear down the body (in fact makes it more fit), puts you in the presence of a much higher-achieving class of people (engineers, programmers, medical professionals, etc.).  Parents in the U.S. who support their kids' table tennis might never end up with a kid who makes a living at the sport, but that 2400 kid will likely be a very fine 2000+ TT athlete for the remainder of their lives, and all that exposure to high achievers can't hurt their career trajectory.  I'd rather have a kid who can win state TT championships for a $250 check and works as an electrical engineer than a kid who spends 5 years in the NFL and has to strap on a knee brace for the rest of his life.


Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 1:19am
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

I'm 6'2 (and growing) and I just turned 15 Cry


And now North American Champion in cadet boys singles - congratulations!


Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 12:01pm
Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked


Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked


I bet you can't do it 3 times in a row Tongue


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 12:17pm
Clap
we followed your success yesterday and frontosa told us about the fact you had won even before your last match.
totally awesome!!!
I hope we get videos soon.
congrats againThumbs Up


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Posted By: amateur
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked


I bet you can't do it 3 times in a row Tongue


Then he'll just have to win the junior boys title 3 times in a row, no problem Wink


Posted By: Toprank
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 4:56pm
Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked
 
Congrats...I'll continue to follow your career. Gotta always outwork your opponents and let your athleticsm take over and you'll be fine.


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Posted By: ZApenholder
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 5:43pm
Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Originally posted by ball_so_hard ball_so_hard wrote:

Won north american champs cadets 2nd year in a row! Shocked


I bet you can't do it 3 times in a row Tongue


Then he'll just have to win the junior boys title 3 times in a row, no problem Wink


No man... thats too easy
Lets increase it to 4? LOL


Posted By: chunyenliu
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 8:57pm
Someone mentioned Lindenwood University offers table tennis scholarships. 

From what I heard, Lindenwood University lost their head coaches in Randy and Kelly Kendle this May.   Their table tennis program's future looks iffy at the moment.


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Posted By: BH-Man
Date Posted: 08/28/2013 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Stanford is not Ivy League.  It is Pac 12.  Ivy League is Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Penn, Columbia, Princeton.

Stanford is an elite private university, academically superior to several of the Ivy League schools in most ratings, but unlike Ivy League it competes in college sports at the highest possible level, and if someone got a tennis scholarship there, he/she must be really really really good. 

From what I have seen of students who have come out of Texas Wesleyan, I would not send my kids there.
 
That part of Forth Worth is the middle of a dilapidated slum-ville worthy of South Central LA crack house renoun.
 
Texas Wesleyen is the only clean and organized plae in that neighborhood within 5 KM...


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Posted By: ball_so_hard
Date Posted: 08/29/2013 at 11:08am
Thank you for the support guys!! 



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