Who uses Dr Neubauer/Hallmark?

i havent played with them but i have played against them and they are a bit funny and not like normal long pips, most of them have much more spin reversal

they dont last long and are over priced, better to play with more skill with a regular long pimple than use one of these pips to win the point cheaply.

I play with Hallmark Super Special. Excellent spin reversal for most strokes. Very effective for close to the table play and pushing against backspin produces strong wobbling balls. I'm using it for chops away from the table since the good spin reversal but also sometimes for blocks. The pimples could have longer durability but it's still worth it's price in my opinion.

Peterbald,

I have a sheet of cloud and fog II on a blade at the moment   do you think III is better if so why?

I am new to the dark side of long pips and would be interested in your thoughts and how you use it?

Do you stand up and block/attack or do you chop and defend?

Dr. Herbert Neubauer, who of course uses his own products, is listed as an entry in this summer's U.S. Open.

 

cole_ely wrote: I don't think you'll be able to find superspecial much longer, and I think you'll find the newer generation of dr neubauer pips are a lot less special without the epoxy on the tips.

It might be quite a while before the ITTF actually implements the minimum friction restriction on pips out rubber.  The second point you make will likely be the case, although it wouldn't be surprising if some long pips players actually modified their rubber themselves (as described at http://www.zeropong.com/treatedlongpips.htm).

 

haggisv wrote: TTPLAYER wrote: It might be quite a while before the ITTF actually implements the minimum friction restriction on pips out rubber.  The second point you make will likely be the case, although it wouldn't be surprising if some long pips players actually modified their rubber themselves (as described at http://www.zeropong.com/treatedlongpips.htm). I don't think there will ever be a restriction on minimum friction of the pimples. As long as the whole pimples are made from the same material, there should not be any unfair advantage.

The minimum friction level for pips out rubber is in the background for Resolution A that just passed when voted on in Bremen so apparently the ITTF does plan to implement it.

haggisv wrote: Modifying your rubber would obviously be illegal and cheating. But you can really modify any rubber, and make it's characteristics significantly different from what it's meant to be. You could have 2 srivers on your bat, one made sticky with spinmax, one normal. This will probably win you  few cheap points... but it's still illegal.

Sure.  A player can also have the same inverted rubber on both sides, but one side could be turned into anti by leaving it out in the sun.  Of course that was more effective before the two-color rule.  In any case, my point was that frictionless long pips will still be possible even when treated pips are no longer ITTF approved.

 

Been useing Super block for over a year now and still works great.  Missing a few pips around the edge but that just makes it look old. I have tried other long pips but I think the Dr. is the best for close to the table blocking.

TTPLAYER wrote: haggisv wrote: TTPLAYER wrote: It might be quite a while before the ITTF actually implements the minimum friction restriction on pips out rubber. The second point you make will likely be the case, although it wouldn't be surprising if some long pips players actually modified their rubber themselves (as described at http://www.zeropong.com/treatedlongpips.htm). I don't think there will ever be a restriction on minimum friction of the pimples. As long as the whole pimples are made from the same material, there should not be any unfair advantage. The minimum friction level for pips out rubber is in the background for Resolution A that just passed when voted on in Bremen so apparently the ITTF does plan to implement it. haggisv wrote: Modifying your rubber would obviously be illegal and cheating. But you can really modify any rubber, and make it's characteristics significantly different from what it's meant to be. You could have 2 srivers on your bat, one made sticky with spinmax, one normal. This will probably win you few cheap points... but it's still illegal. Sure. A player can also have the same inverted rubber on both sides, but one side could be turned into anti by leaving it out in the sun. Of course that was more effective before the two-color rule. In any case, my point was that frictionless long pips will still be possible even when treated pips are no longer ITTF approved.

This is correct. Strong forces in the ITTF are more than willing to get rid of the frictionless LP. The only problem they had so far was to determine objectively what is frictionless and what isn't. This problem is now solved and the rest is just a matter of formality. Frictionless LP will be banned for sure within the next couple of years.

@ cole_ely
There is no epoxy on the tips as you suspect because this would be illegal tampering with material if it's applied *after* the production of the rubber itself. This is why the legendary Palio blue edition was banned. Neubauer has found a way to implement the frictionlessness *within* the production process. This is why his material is still legal.

There are no dates yet, but the ban is comming.  Unlike speed glue, this one doesn't sound like it will take years to be applied.

http://www.ittf.com/stories/Forum_detail.asp

personally i'm not a big fan og frictionless lp's, especially the dr. neubauer & hallmark, i used to but not any more, i used to use joola fakir & donic alligator soft (which was also somewhat frictionless lp's) for me the feint series are stil the best, blocking, cuts...

TTPLAYER wrote: cole_ely wrote: I don't think you'll be able to find superspecial much longer, and I think you'll find the newer generation of dr neubauer pips are a lot less special without the epoxy on the tips. It might be quite a while before the ITTF actually implements the minimum friction restriction on pips out rubber.  The second point you make will likely be the case, although it wouldn't be surprising if some long pips players actually modified their rubber themselves (as described at http://www.zeropong.com/treatedlongpips.htm).

Just tried http://www.zeropong.com/treatedlongpips.htm) on my 755.

I don't think I should do this but I did!!! I'll let you know the result.