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palio cj8000 36-38 deg. biotech rubber... |
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pinoyponger
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anyone already played with this rubber?can you give a short review on it?thanks.
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blade: bty pter korbel
fh rubber: haifu BW2 37deg. bh rubber: cj8000 certified pinoyponger |
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zwu168
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I just bought the biotech version few days ago, waiting for it to come in teh mailbox.
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ErikaT
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the throwing angle is just nice for my FH
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debraj
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i just received it yesterday, and will put it to practice today.
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pinoyponger
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dont forget to drop a short review.. ;)
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blade: bty pter korbel
fh rubber: haifu BW2 37deg. bh rubber: cj8000 certified pinoyponger |
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bozbrisvegas
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honestly guys as soon as i had a go of an old crappy bat with it on I was in love - the way it plays is so unique - Im just upset that i cant work out which version it is.
this is what I can explain why its so good it is super fast and low throw but catches the ball perfectly
its as though because of its throw when loop or drive it the angle makes you hit the wood directly so you get more power than say tenergy which I have to graze it to stay low.
Im so in love ddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmm
help me get a sheet for me - the sheet i used was red.. so is the black any different? more or less elastic?
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bozbrisvegas
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is the top sheet tacky?
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pinoyponger
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do you remember whats the cj8000 version that you were using before?cause there's like 50+ versions of this rubber.and they say that the black topsheet is spinnier than the red one.
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blade: bty pter korbel
fh rubber: haifu BW2 37deg. bh rubber: cj8000 certified pinoyponger |
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ttrubberman
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CJ8000 is a wonderfully cheap but good performance rubber. Personally, I use CJ8000 (the cheapest, beijing team 36-38degree, not tensor) for my backhand, it's spiny and easy control.
I must say, although it is not very fast, but it can make good looping easily, very easy to use, very durable, and cheap too. The biotech version is faster and glue free, but don't expect they perform like german rubber, this is a chinese rubber, a bit faster than before but still good looping and easy to use. |
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bozbrisvegas
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which palio is this? It should help right, atleast rule out some: the colour is white but seems a bit yellow - cream... it says C type so possibly thicker top as someone said... 38-41* any chinese readers can tell me what the character say?
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jixiaolan
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it said "hardness= 38 - 41 deg"
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mdjenders
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also, C type is the thinnest CJ8000 topsheet!
regarding the 36-38 cj8000 biotech, i really like this one as a backhand rubber on any blade, or a forehand rubber on very firm blades. throw angle is highish, rubber is GREAT for brush looping with control near the table, esp. loop vs. underspin. i would not recommend this for a forehand rubber on softer blades. the soft topsheet and soft sponge, with soft blade, becomes too mushy. |
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manyaku88
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what is the weight of a cut cj8000 36-38 biotech? i am looking for a cheaper replacement for my Bigslam and i only want soft & light rubbers with sound (any suggestions? i already own a Boost TC, perhaps Boost TS ? any reviews?)
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Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL
FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
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mdjenders
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depends on what blade. for your blade, the head size is quite small, so i would estimate cut weight would be a little less than 40g. cut to a stiga size, my sample sheet is 42g.
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manyaku88
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thx
should be ok if it's under 40
if it has that soft bouncy feel with a medium throw it's a keeper, kinda cheap to, i will include it in my next order
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Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL
FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
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speaquinox
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Medium soft but can't say it's bouncy. I tuned it to get some liveliness.
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Innerforce ALC, Glayzer / Rozena
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manyaku88
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that sounds about right
one more question and sorry for the double post, how soft would you rate it on the tensor hardness table?
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Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL
FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
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Nutriment6464
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How is the throw, Erikat said it's good for the forehand... My forehand prefers high throw :P
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zwu168
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This rubber is only slightly tacking. Rather soft sponge and topsheet. Its a good sheet for my for BH if its a thinner maybe 1.7mm rubber. Very bouncy but some how the feel is pretty good. I rather not use this as forehand because its too slow
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mdjenders
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cj8000 36-38 biotech i would rate at 40 on the Tensor hardness scale. the rubber has soft sponge and soft, mildly tacky topsheet, so the throw is high. on a hard blade, it could make a nice fh rubber if you like soft rubbers. on a soft blade, i would think it is too slow for the fh.
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BeaverMD
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Hi guys, I didn't want to open a new thread so I thought I'd post this question here: For the CJ8000 Biotech (36-38 deg) and the HK1997 Biotech (36-38 deg), I was wondering if you can separate the topsheet from the sponge easily - using the leftover rubber cutoff of course. Thanks. |
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jt99sf
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I've bought the Palio rubbers from Cole and Fastpaddle.com, Cole can customize the top sheet and the sponge for you because he glues them together for you and therefore its easier to separate. (not that they will separate on their own, Cole does a good gluing job)
The CJ8000 Biotech from Fastpaddle.com is glued at the factory and they are well made. So to separate the one's from the factory is difficult.
If you want the sponge or top sheet, just order them separately.
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silverhair
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I agree that Cole does a good job. The CJ8000 topsheet is a little tacky and very pliable. IMO, the thinner version of the topsheet (CJ8000C) plays really well for backhand on soft sponge. I like and use the CJ8000C topsheet (the thinnest one) on Dawei Butter Sponge (30 degree) for backhand. For me, very good control, spinny, good for serving and for service returns. I've also tried the same topsheet on Dawei Quattro 35 degree sponge with similar results. I like the feeling of the Butter sponge better. IMO, off-the-shelf CJ8000 Biotech rubber in either the soft or medium sponge version is a very good rubber for allround play. It seems to lack a little power, but makes up for it with good control. HK1997 seems to me like CJ8000 on mild steriods. Faster, more spin, better control, plays better off the table. IMO, the major difference between the sponge hardnesses is the top gear. The softer sponge has a lower speed limit. Softer sponge might be just an RPM or two spinnier. It really plays its best on faster blades. I've had no issues with the rubber wear. There does seem to be a "breakin" period for both. For me an hour or two was sufficient, YMMV. Both the off-the-shelf CJ8000 Biotech and HK1997 Biotech are available on eBay at ridiculously low prices if you pay attention. But my recommendation is to go to Cole Ely for a custom built sheet of rubber using one of the CJ8000 topsheets (comes in three thicknesses) and the sponge that matches your game. |
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jt99sf
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The HK1997 Biotech from Fastpaddle.com is only $9 right now, so its a good time to try. Many of their Palio rubbers are <$10.
I find the Palio rubbers are easy to get used to and they last a long time. I used them on my TBS so the power is fine.
This is what I'm trying next:
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BeaverMD
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@ Silver and jt
Thanks for your responses guys. I should clarify, I'm not trying to separate the topsheet from the sponge. I asked because I don't want the topsheet/sponge to separate easily.
@ jt
Thanks for that link. I've never heard of them but I might get the HK1997 Biotech as well. I just wish it was 36-38 degrees and I'm not sure if they have the $1 shipping for two sheets.
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ThaiLe
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They are from Colorado and their shipping fee is slightly different. It depends on where you are. One sheet of rubber to CA is ~ $1.75 and 2 of them for ~ $2.25. So the more you buy, the more shipping fee you save. |
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debraj
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cj8000 biotech 36-38 is one rubber that i had made several attempt to replace from my BH.... thanks to great marketing by other companies.
And i miserably failed! It does everything... from great defense to great serves and decent winners. But what's more it does that even when you thought you missed the shot after hitting it. |
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BeaverMD
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@ ThaiLe
Thanks. I guess not everyone can have $1 shipping like Cole, Tom or TTArmory
@ Deb
Have you tried separating the topsheet from the sponge on the leftover cutout? On most Friendship rubbers, you'll rip the pips if you try this.
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jt99sf
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@ Deb
Have you tried separating the topsheet from the sponge on the leftover cutout? On most Friendship rubbers, you'll rip the pips if you try this. [/QUOTE]
You can probably have better luck with a clean separation if you drip some Bestine rubber cement thinner (let it sit for 15 to 20 seconds) between the top sheet and the sponge first.
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debraj
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@beaver:
the cj8000 biotech rubber comes with a little reverse dome. but as it ages and the tuning goes off, it will take huge reverse dome... to the extent it will curl so much that its difficult to stick uniformly on the paddle, and will also shrink in the process. but no question of delaminating from sponge. i can't compare with 729... and not all 729 rubbers are same. but i can say the bonding is enough not to separate. |
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