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    Posted: 07/24/2015 at 1:50am
At least 3 players from japanese junior team . content://media/external/file/5064Team from japan but what can be the replacement for clipper since the modern clipper sucks bigtime
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Originally posted by winterdrops winterdrops wrote:

Hi stevenjlyang,

What do you mean by mixed blades? Actually you mean COMPOSITE, carbon blades?

By the way, thanks for charts
yes, i mean composite blades
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hi, rxng. sorry for that. and thanks for your update.
ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX
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Originally posted by stevenjlyang stevenjlyang wrote:

previous blades in 2005, by the professionals.

Hi steven, thanks for posting the chart created by me. Actually I have an exactly same topic here, with English version of chart.




Edited by rxng - 07/22/2015 at 12:47am
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Basically because it's a great blade with good feel and control that suits many play styles. I can not see any other reason, the pros does not choose a blade for its design Tongue 
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I had one 25 years ago, but as I was young and foolish I ruined it by covering it in a thick layer of varnish. I eventually pulled a layer of wood off trying to remove it. My son switched to a new one about a month ago and really likes the extra power and looping ability. Not sure how the 2 blades compare though as I wasn't really good enough to know what I was playing with back then.

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Hi stevenjlyang,

What do you mean by mixed blades? Actually you mean COMPOSITE, carbon blades?

By the way, thanks for charts
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Thanks for sharing this info.
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previous blades in 2005, by the professionals.
ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX
Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin
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sorry, i can't agree with you. there aren't more professionals use the Clipper blade in china. otherwise i see more and more professionals change blade to mixed blade, like VIS, ZJK ALC or 狂飙龙5 that is made by DHS. 
the following table show that top professionals have been changing their blade to mixed blade:
ZJK ALC 90g: T80 + T05FX
Boll ALC 89g: AIROC M + Calibra LT Spin
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I saw a lot of good players using Clippers in my trips to China, but I last time I was there I only played at one place and before that it had been awhile.  I am wondering if composite blades may be gaining there.

True for experienced players but I was surprised at the Liaoning provincial center to see that nearly all the kids (already very strong for 8 or 9 years old children) use BTY ALC or ZLC blades.
TB ALC is probably the most used blades there.
The coach explained that it is also much more easy to get specific blades from BTY for each player, regarding the weight, than it is from other brands.
The coaches use most Yinhe blades :))

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I saw a lot of good players using Clippers in my trips to China, but I last time I was there I only played at one place and before that it had been awhile.  I am wondering if composite blades may be gaining there.

True for experienced players but I was surprised at the Liaoning provincial center to see that nearly all the kids (already very strong for 8 or 9 years old children) use BTY ALC or ZLC blades.
TB ALC is probably the most used blades there.
The coach explained that it is also much more easy to get specific blades from BTY for each player, regarding the weight, than it is from other brands.
The coaches use most Yinhe blades :))


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Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

1 pro was named by op, any more?


Kasumi Ishikawa is playing with a Clipper. So does Kristian Karlsson.
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I saw a lot of good players using Clippers in my trips to China, but I last time I was there I only played at one place and before that it had been awhile.  I am wondering if composite blades may be gaining there.
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1 pro was named by op, any more?
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Originally posted by Machine_Head Machine_Head wrote:

Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Unfortunately , Clippers of the PROs are very different than ours. 
Infinity is the new Clipper for us!


Hi Stravos, can you please explain what you meant by Infinity is the new Clipper?

I was playing with a Cipper from 1989 since 2000. The new Clipper looks and plays like a joke. 
Infinity on the other hand, it reminds me the old Stiga feeling. It is something between the old Offensive Wood and Clipper Wood of the 80's and 90's.
Infinity is also the most popular Stiga blade although it appeared the last 2 years.
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I have gone from the Adidas Hypertouch, Adidas Strike Carbon, Stiga CC, Stiga CR WRB and now a all wood Clipper Oversize WRB.

Stiga CC is the fastest and stiffest out all the clippers, but has the least control out of all the clippers. 

Stiga CR WRB is head heavy, has a bigger head than the Stiga Clipper CC and is good for most techniques. I didnt like it due to my personal preference of having stiffer crispier blades.

Stiga Oversize WRB is heavy at 96 grams, head heavy, biggest head, the crispiest and very good control due to the large dwell spot/oversize head. The speed is a tad slower than the CC. But u wont like this blade if you cant handle head heavy and overall heavy blades. Takes a lot of muscle to get the most out of this blade. 

I would start off with the Stiga Clipper CR or a regular Stiga Clipper first, these are the least expensive and the most attainable. 


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Thanks Ray :)

So a an offensive style power-looper would prefer clipper CR especially if they don't like hollow handles??? :P
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From http://stigatabletennis.com/en/tech-specs/blade-tech-specs/

"THE CR SYSTEM
is when front part of the blade is UV-finished, which yields a reasonably increased speed to the ball."

WRB - hollow handle, makes the blade more head heavy.

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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

The 7-ply structure is more reliable than 5-lpy all wood. Clipper is easier to control and more powerful than some composite blades.


What's the difference between these anyways?


If you were really interested, you would have searched for it.


I did, how else do you think I got the names of the different versions? :P I wanted to know the differences from a user as that would be more accurate than technical mumbo jumbo mentioned in the blade descriptions :P
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Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

The 7-ply structure is more reliable than 5-lpy all wood. Clipper is easier to control and more powerful than some composite blades.


What's the difference between these anyways?


If you were really interested, you would have searched for it.
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Originally posted by OldSchool OldSchool wrote:

Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

The 7-ply structure is more reliable than 5-lpy all wood. Clipper is easier to control and more powerful than some composite blades.


Which Clipper are we talking about exactly in this thread??? There is a Clipper, Clipper CR WRB then a Clipper CR and lastly Clipper WRB.

What's the difference between these anyways?


Clipper is the base blade with 7 wood layers.

Clipper CR have coating to make it a bit more stiff.

Clipper CC have carbon powder in-between layers to make it even stiffer than the CR.

WRB versions have the hollow handle to make the blade lighter.


Thanks for the info, which one of these plays the best?
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Originally posted by unstopabl3 unstopabl3 wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

The 7-ply structure is more reliable than 5-lpy all wood. Clipper is easier to control and more powerful than some composite blades.


Which Clipper are we talking about exactly in this thread??? There is a Clipper, Clipper CR WRB then a Clipper CR and lastly Clipper WRB.

What's the difference between these anyways?


Clipper is the base blade with 7 wood layers.

Clipper CR have coating to make it a bit more stiff.

Clipper CC have carbon powder in-between layers to make it even stiffer than the CR.

WRB versions have the hollow handle to make the blade lighter.
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

The 7-ply structure is more reliable than 5-lpy all wood. Clipper is easier to control and more powerful than some composite blades.


Which Clipper are we talking about exactly in this thread??? There is a Clipper, Clipper CR WRB then a Clipper CR and lastly Clipper WRB.

What's the difference between these anyways?
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Originally posted by Stavros Stavros wrote:

Unfortunately , Clippers of the PROs are very different than ours. 
Infinity is the new Clipper for us!


Hi Stravos, can you please explain what you meant by Infinity is the new Clipper?

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The 7-ply structure is more reliable than 5-lpy all wood. Clipper is easier to control and more powerful than some composite blades.
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How does the Infinity compare to the Clipper?
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Unfortunately , Clippers of the PROs are very different than ours. 
Infinity is the new Clipper for us!
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Best blade I have is the clipper.

Hard to explain. But it just seems to do everything. 

It's great for SPs. Can also play inverted really well. 

But the speed is good, balance feels great. For some bizzare reason the most comfortable grip cpen I have. Feel like it does everything well.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

I thought Samsonov was still using his old Mazunov all wood blades, camouflated under Tibhar handles.....for many many years.

He used to use his old Mazunov for many years but wbg ruined it so he was forced to replace it with an other blade.
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