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APW46
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Players are free to play in as many local leagues as they wish, I play in two, some play every night of the week, but non of the results go towards the national Rankings.
The events that are part of the ranking scheme take place at weekends all over the country at central venues.
The 'kudos' players are looking for locally is their place in the averages that are compiled for each town, and the standard varies massively, so the best player in one town may only be average in another. In gereral it is the best players in each town who are the more serious players who train properly and compete in national competitions.
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I meant of course the national ratings. Despite the fact that only 500 players are published, all the ratings must be calculated. Are they made public?
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APW46
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all the players who have played in the last 6 months are published, for every month of inactivity a player gets a star, on the 5th star he disappears off the list, but his rating points are stored, losing 25% every 6months until after 2 yrs on 'non play' his rating is void, if he starts again, his rating is re-calculated from his initial results ( the aggregate of 3 wins and 3 losses relating to the players he has beaten /lost to)
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benfb
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I'm not sure I find any of this discussion of the English ranking system any better or worse than the rating system used in America, just different.
In the initial posts, there were two complaints: first, that ratings fluctuate by locale. You will always have a problem with isolation and pockets that are stronger or weaker than elsewhere. Whatever your rating system, it's not going to impact geographic variations.
The second complaint was that people fixate too much on ratings, or read too much into minor differences, particularly among lower level players. There's actually been a lot of discussion on this same point on the about.com forums, as some people (particularly Sean O'Neill) are concerned that juniors are manipulating their playing schedules just to protect their ratings, rather than working on improving their level. This entire subject is actually pretty complicated. People like to have some idea how they compare to others, or how they have improved/declined over time, so I think most people would be reluctant to give up ratings. There are some who read too much into ratings, but that's just human nature. I was in an online argument once with a guy about a subject that had nothing to do with playing table tennis and he announced I must that I must surely be a 1300 player because only someone that incompetent could disagree with him. Just thinking about his claim makes me smile because it's such a bizarre interpetation of the significance of ratings.
In chess, virtually all players world wide have ratings and while they still have some problems, over all the system works pretty well. I don't the problem in American table tennis is that we have ratings, it's just that some of us are idiots no matter what.
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icontek
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There's some truth in all of that.
If the US dropped the USATT ratings system and instead adopted the nore accurate and less forgiving system of Ratings Central (which is inherently more like ELO chess ratings, IIRC), I truly believe we would all be better off.
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benfb
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The Ratings Central system is mathematically superior to the system used at USATT, but we'd still have the same problems about people obsessing on ratings, manipulating the system, geographic variations, etc. Of course, all this discussion is theoretical. It is hard for me to imagine that USATT will make any changes in their rating system.
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roundrobin
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Imho USATT rating system suffers from being excessively sensitive to a player's match-to-match performance... That said, I feel the main problem of US players not really wanting to risk his/her rating is the lack of fun/interesting tournaments. In my area (SoCal) there are always plenty of USATT sanctioned tourneys, but participation is still limited to the usual number of players, no matter what amount of prize money we offer. In contrast, our weekly round robins have been hugely popular with tournament and non-tournament players alike. The main difference is the fun factor: Each participant at our weekly round robins is usually seeded into an initial group of 8 to 10 players, with up to four players advancing to single elimination playoffs thereafter. So for just one entry fee, everybody plays until no one can move anymore... All these action in less than five hours in one single day for eight bucks...
In comparison, here's what happens at a typical USATT sanctioned tourney here in LA area: -Enter three to four events for $75 to $125 many days in advance. -Show up early. -Fight for an empty table to warm-up, while looking for a worthwhile partner to do so at the same time. -Play in a "round-robin" of 3 (4 if you are lucky) for your first event. You could not beat the top seed in your group so you are out. -Wait for another event that will start in two hours. -Play in another mini round robin with stiff arm and cold legs. -Beat the two poor souls in your group easily since you are the top seed. -Wait for another hour for your next round. -Beat your opponent in the quarters, so now you wait for the semis. -45 minutes later your name is called... Now you must play on the corner table because all "best" tables are taken by Open round robin groups. -You could not see the ball well so you lose a deuce-in-the-fifth nailbiter. -Repeat next day. -You get home by 8:30pm on Sunday and your wife is not all that happy that you just spent two days chasing little orange balls instead of with her and junior... |
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APW46
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Its just that in every single conversation involving American players/members the first thing asked is 'what is your rating' or 'Im not rated but everyone tells me I would be 1600' its as if the ratings have replaced reality.
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Jonan
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Kids are under rated in general because all children start off rated like 100 and adults around 1000 and kids play mainly against other kids so they stay very lowly rated sometimes. So those kids might be much higher than their ratings. Also though, children aren't putting near the amount of speed or spin of an adult opponent, they can't go far from the table to counter loop and their reach is limited. So while their form near the table may look very nice and pretty, they are very one dimensional. They do a couple things very nicely, but ultimately, an untrained adult player would have faster, spinier loops than trained children. Their little counter hit style isn't effective against adults. Form isn't everything, there are 2200 level players who have what looks like horrible form and unorthodox playing styles and terrible footwork and there are 1300 rated players who look like Wang Liqin out there but can't land their shots and have a poor all around game. |
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figgie
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I am going to disagree.
mathematically it is DIFFERENT.
What I can tell you is that RC is deflationary over time. In the end, the state of Minnesota uses it for establishing seed and nothing more
If you look at RC, we are all a bunch of 1800 players. with a couple of 2000 level players. Ming is 2300. Thor is around high 2200. Mitch is mid 2200. Lots of mid 2000 players etc. Ofouse RC does not show that ;)
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LOL! This is how USATT tourneys are all over the country! I like giant RR tournaments where you just play 8 people around your rating level, but I like to go to the big tournaments every once in a while to challenge myself against higher rated players. Roundrobin I want to come to your club next time I visit my in-laws on Alhambra. It sounds like fun. |
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figgie
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I call those people rating whores.
They live and die by them. So much so, that some of those RW's will refuse to play in thier classification event in fear of losing points.....
Or in other words. they play up, no down.
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roundrobin
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Well, you'll find that the higher level your American friend is, the less likely he/she'd ask you that question... |
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LOOPMEISTER
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BTW, I actually really enjoyed reading this thread. Got a good laugh. A little trash talking never hurt anyone. Its not any worse than all the cho'ing and ineffectual handshakes in TT.
Anyone who posts a vid of themselves on a forum has balls of steel. I find it very difficult to judge someone's level just by watching them on vid or otherwise. I've learned to assume that anyone can surprise you, so never underestimate a player. Too many times I've lost to a player I thought I would destroy. If I'd had more respect from the start I probably would have won. |
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figgie
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Roundrobin,
The same thing happens in Minnesota with the "saturday round robin". I mean we don't have the population of LA but we will have folks from Fargo (3 hours away), Duluth (3 hours), Iowa, Chicago every once in a while and Wnnipeg, to come play in the saturday round robins. Tournaments are good but not as "succesfull" as saturday round robins. 50-60 people every single weekend. All for $10 or $8 dollars. Guaranteed at leas 6-8 matches, more if you are doing well.
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LOOPMEISTER
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hehe, I think when someone asks what a person's rating is on a forum after watching a vid, etc, its probably just to get some perspective. Its really hard to judge how good a player is just by watching them. Knowing a rating helps a little bit. But I have to admit I find it annoying when I show up to an out-of-town club, and the first thing a person asks--before asking what my name is--is what my rating is. |
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Jonan
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Oh and if they only ask your name and specifically your last name that just means they are going to go look it up themselves. I've had that happen to me before several times. They ask for my name and I give them my first name like a normal conversation and then they break the flow by immediately asking for my last name. Luckily it's hard to spell I guess. It's nice to know sometimes though, just for your own ego, how highly rated the people you beat are. Of course that comes back to bite you if they beat you. I beat 4 people I've never played before at my new club Saturday and I didn't bother asking for their names or ratings though, I was just happy to win some matches. |
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figgie,
Sounds like an winning formula that can work anywhere then... I will try my best to implement this format for a future USATT-sanctioned tournament at our club... |
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Yes,
we actually have a "giant RR" in the summer and that tournament gets PACKED.
Another Mitch brain child.
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ttguy
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The whole USATT rating system is so dump. I know that some of people even default the game to avoid losing points. Some coaches even intentionally give one or two game to students to raise their points. Some people even go to low-rating event to easily get points.
It is really suck.
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No. There is no such thing as 'being good enough to meet you'. You are a low 1800's USATT (yes, you're not 1900). Even if you were 1900 by USATT standards that is not impressive at all, and furthermore yours is by all accounts inflated. You aren't a professional player, but just a 19 year old Mexican-American with basement technique, no footwork, sh*tty service and so on. But I'm sure you will be okay because you have your little friend there (the one from the video) to tell you 'not to worry' when people call you out for being so trashy. He might have had 0.7 posts per day, but the fact you are such a little bitch is enough of a reason for anyone to come out of lurking to call you out. Maybe you can post us a video of how good YOU are. Right now you can't talk a big game when we have a video that is in every regard contrary to what you seem to perceive yourself as. |
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bull_harrier
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Ok this thread was about critiquing someone's game, this incessant back and forth trash talk is getting a little old. Settle it through pm and quit hijacking the thread.
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thanks bull for that... and thanks loopmiester for judging my junk correctly :P and thanks Great australian bunny for shutting the hell up. Anywho another question to the great forum members...do you think its easier to base a rating on form against a robot or against a player? I might post a few vids of Erin and I playing the robot?
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bull_harrier
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Well it would be good to see both, the robot is consistent and you can better your form and consistency with it. But drilling with a human or playing a game will make you illustrate the diversity of play by incorporating footwork and strategy along with your strokes.
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robot doesn't do squat....
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So you don't know how to respect my privacy, huh? You're about to cross some f**king lines mate! Mr. Gonsalty can't just come in here guns blazing talking big when he is in fact a fish mongler's wife! Learn your place Bull_Harrier. You're just another new kid on the block to me, and I'm not afraid of taking you down like the rest of 'em. If you want to have a chat with me, we can do it here like real men. Also, no. |
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