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tiehwen
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It was quite a surprise to receive this blade in the mail few weeks ago. OldStiga Standard Palatinus 5 ply All Wood Anatomic (Ulf “Tickan” Carlsson style) handle Blade weighs 86.5g.
The Anatomic handle is as good as Stiga Clipper’s and some of my Butterfly’s, I like it as much as my Photino’s, SC’s which are thick, “meaty” and I always use these two as my Benchmark, but not the KLPSP’ & TBS’s as these two are just too thin for my liking. The “prints” on the OSP Virtuoso handle seemed to be smudged while the “maker” was printing on it, it therefore doesn’t look as good as the “Golden” color of the later batch. Again, if I paid HUGE bucks for it, I would’ve returned it for an exchange, yet this one was just 1 out of PLLSystem’s 1st initial batch and it’s for me to test play, it doesn’t matter as most of the Stigas I came across over the years looked more awful than this. Rubbers Info.: Overall weight of this Combo: 173.5g
Nice cracking, crispy sound yet not as loud or pronounced as my other/last/previous blades, i.e. Old SC, 91g Acoustic, TBS, KLHSp or even my favorite Photino yet louder than another of my all time favorites, Tibhar H-3-9. It feels less stiff than all the above-mentioned, but I felt that it has quite a sweet spot compared to the others but not as nice/large as H-3-9. It has the typical woody sound but with an added sweeter kind of tone unlike that of Acoustic or other pure 5 ply (Pkorbel) which I’ve tried and still own. The control is, well, just fabulous and I thought I could just go on & on and that it’s THE blade that makes me NOT thinking about…..”wooooo…I’m playing with THE blade of ALL blades and I’ve got to be careful and not hit the table by accident”. It’s just a confidence-inducing blade as far as I’m concerned. Really really put a smile on my face every time I hit or blocked.
It was a breeze both FH and BH, whether active or passive but not as “instantaneous” as more expensive or famous blades like SC, Photino, TBS or even KLHSp. In a way, it reminds me of my last but seasoned 91g Acoustic with some glued DHS rubbers, not as fast as those greatest but faster than Pkorbel, AR Stellan Bengsston, AR Evolution, it felt better than YEO as good as my friend’s WCS Senso V1 w/Tibhar Nimbus Medium on BH yet slightly more confident both FH & BH almost right on par with H-3-9 with IQ 35d 2.0mm. Would I spend huge amount of money to acquire this? Yes, but I’d have to unload some of my gems for just this or IT. Would my EJ Quest/days be over for good? Very likely YES, as I don’t see anything interesting out there for that equal amount of $$$$$. Would I pass this Virtuoso on to others to have a crack at it? I don’t think so.. Would I return this Virtuoso to Laszlo, PLLSystem upon his request? Nah…Fat Chance. I’m gonna keep it for the NEXT 25 years at least. There's no way I'm gonna sell or trade this away.... All in all, IMHO, this is just a gem and to be honest, I’ve not touched other blades for 3 solid weeks…that’s really quite unusual for an EJ or now past EJ like me. I might have said things/BS repeatedly in my so-called “Review”, If I did, please forgive OR just ignore me as English is my 3rd language. I might come back to this thread to fix my mistakes tho’ in due course/next or future re-visits. Edited by tiehwen - 06/28/2010 at 8:58pm |
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Hi all, we recenty noticed that some of our testrackets have been traded. We are glad to achieve that because it seems we stepped to that level. Besides that it is very good since testers provide that opportunity for other and we can have more and more feedback.
Please consider that we have never sold testrackets with the old OSP logo. In sum testrackets differ in the logo only.
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We are back... thanks for your patience
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PLLsystem
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Unfortunatelly our website is down due to hacker attacks. Our server switched to defensive mode until the certain IP-s filtered. You can read "Your account is suspended" message that is regular in this case. You can mail or PM me directly.
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PLLsystem
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You asked about the lamina, not the veneers :) that was answered... Your custommade racket will have koto outer ply. The others are really not for public ;) |
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Imago
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What is the best rubber match so far for Virtuoso? What D is your BW2? I ordered a Virtuoso and a custom made 7-ply flexible Off blade. Will report back when they arrive in resp. 1 and 6 weeks. Communication so far is good. The only question not answered was the type of veneers they are going to use for my custom made blade. But probably this is classified information... BTW, anybody tell us something about sn491 - composition, feel, speed and control. Thank you |
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peter79
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If it's close to Petr Korbel it's good then. I don't like the big head size and slim ST handle of PK, feels head heavy. I already ordered Virtuoso FL handle, it looks big and comfortable Yes sealing a thin coat is necessary if anyone want to use waterbase glue. But Violin doesn't need sealing at all, no problem. Virtuoso seems to made for Glue ban, suitable for Tenergy, let's see if it's really a good combo. |
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Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr
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tiehwen
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One can play with anything,EJM,but having something nice is always enjoyable.I know(we all do)-many Asian players/some European prefer simple trusted CLipper,Offensive CR and other like.Table tennis has shown there is fashion in it and many of us ejs.I think if you find a suitable blade for yourself and you see progress in your game,what is more to wish?I was initially unhappy with not being able to play BH shots with some blade I had bought .I wasn't able to just be comfortable when playing my first a couple of rackets.I went through a large number of blades,but I got
a Violin and that should have been the end of search for me.I suddenly realized I liked trying other blades.I have said-enough,enough,but continued fooling around with other blades. Someone said whatever best out there there is that is what you should play with.I agree and disagree with the statement.Not everyone is fortunate as to try all that is now available on the market,but I think a nice suitable blade is a must have. Virtuoso is crafted individually ,so yes,of course,it is build to higher standarts as opposed to mass produced blades. I have been very satisfied with its performance,design,playing characteristics,so I yes,it is pleasure to play with it. I think Virtuoso is well build and offers more than traditional blades I have held in my hands.I think whoever trys this model may also be interested in trying a 7 ply blade made by the maker.I am... |
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ejmaster
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I do not have Virtuoso but when i read the thread feedback about the Virtuoso blade, a similar feeling comes when i talked about the sn465.
But i have some questions:
Dont you think a lot of people would play with that blade better than with some others?.
Dont you think it is a pleasure to have a good blade from amateur to high level than ejing too much?.
Do you consider the blade outstanding in the present wood blade market offering?.
Maybe some comments about the sn465 blade though biased (a label), were not so far from reality?.
The last question is related to people who label to discredit.
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holda
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Hey,Peter. I think Virtuoso is closer to P.Korbel from Butterfly. Acoustic/Violin are too different,in my opinion. While Virtuoso is a 5 ply,like Korbel,it is stiffer(I thought Virtuoso was a thicker blade initially,but not true-Virtuoso is 5.7mm thick while Korbel is 5.89mm) and faster.The Virtuoso that I have got smaller dimensions ,but still with nice weight balance shifted to the handle.Being moderately stiff and having good dwell time,one can execute top spin shots very easily.Korbel is famous for that ,too,but in my opinion Korbel has softer wood veneers and so less powerful as a result.To compensate for this one would really like to have expensive modern rubbers,while with Virtuoso rubber range can be much more expanded. Virtuoso is made very well-no rough edges,nicely finished/partially laquered by the maker.It could be a blade for anyone from the novice to highly advanced player.My Virtuoso sample is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku,just softer.And when strike the ball the racket sounds like one cracks nuts.I would probably like it to be just slightly heavier and may be bit stiffer/less dwell time.Overall,great design/quality/playing characteristics.Plus,blade handle can be customized to fit wider hands.I love the conic handle design which is not available from other manufactures. As said earlier this is a modern offensive blade,some people might classify it as off-, I put in off group.Control is excellent,no questions about it. Note:since some players aren't too worried about speed glue ban-good for them,but I strongly recommend to potential buyers to use wood sealant.Outer plies are nicely finished so to keep the blade intact water based glue needs to be used carefully as someone suggested-wait until glue becomes transparent/dries completely. |
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PLLsystem
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You can seal it if you want. I am sure many of users will seal it and will smoothen the edges. It is regular use.
But we endevour to make high quality racket with stable surface that need no sealing. |
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kelvinyoong
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Does OSP blades need sealing or is this already done on site?
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Our latest OSP video
Thanks all of you buying/testing OSP blades. Many of you asked about there is no shipping cost details at our website. Let me explain that: For the first 100 blades we offered free shipping. |
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holda
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Tiehwen,I think you will also love it with more powerful rubbers,just those that may be harder a bit.Palatinus devised this model to be OFF-,but with the intent to compensate for the glue ban.So I really think Virtuoso should be rated OFF.I have seen my shots to be "loopier" even with Joola Gp,which is soft very rubber with excellent grip.Between Virtuoso and P.Korbel, the former is more powerful and stable,stiffer blade.
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tiehwen
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I played on last Sunday for 2 hours with OSP Virtuoso An. w/2 used rbrs - Joola Tango 2.0? & Haifu BW 2 "given" to me by a nice/generous member here. I slapped on the rbrs on Sat. afternoon n left the combo sitting on the deck for most of the night sorta to "kill" the SG stench & effect (1 layer, not too generous amount, as I dun have WB glue).
To my surprise the combo's overall weight was only 173.5g.
It was so easy/joy to play with and I was expecting it to be as good as my last 91g used Acoustic ST w/some cheapie Chinese Rbrs & hoping that it would be as good or close to some of my previous/present blades/combos, e.g. H-3-9 ST, Photino FL, TBS & what have u or u name it....
It is in fact, in a way, better than my last Acoustic, way way better than most if not all of my above-mentioned.
I'm not gonna write any review here, at least not yet, not after ONLY 2 hours of play. It deserves to be played/enjoyed more for me to gather my thoughts to compile more for even begin to sit dwn & write my review.
My 1st thought after only a good 15 mins or so was like....Wow, hey...I could loop well, FH/BH, block, push/flick well with it...how did this maker come up with/manage to make this "gem" so well FOR me?
I could do a lotta things right, including my Ma Long's kinda BH which I've been dying to try to do better with all those expensive, well..most of my blades are actually less than 100.00 each, only couple of exceptions.
I could actually "feel" the ball with whatever shots I made, I thought, yeah...may be these rbrs helped and yet these are not even the latest/greatest/more expensive tuned/pre-tuned rubbers.
Another thing is that it has min. or neglegible flex/vibration which I really enjoyed unlike that of PKorbel of similar weight, may be this is what they call it "Sweet Vibration"?
I'd say this Virtuoso is in the neighbourhood of OFF-/OFF, it has quite a high pitch sound when hitting no matter what kinda of shots I made, it couldn't be SG effect as it was already hours & hours after 1 not too generous layer of Glue.
Pushing/Flicking/receiving serves FH/BH or shot game were easy and effortless and so enjoyable....
Yeah...Holda was right to say that the throw is Med/Med-high at best and to be honest I thoroughly enjoyed looping FH/BH w/it. I'm a HUGH fan of Petr Korbel's BH flicking/receiving of serves so is my Czech old buddy, Vlady and he said, "wow....U seemed to enjoy/make alotta that particular trick, that blade really helped u today, eh?"
Smashing, well...i didn't get to do alot in that 2, too short, hours as I had to rush out for some urgent appointment.
Just can't wait to play it again and hopefully I could slap on some good, greatest/latest rbrs but kinda reluctant/hesitant to do so cuz. I still prefer rbrs like Sriver L/EL or may be this blade deserves to be spoiled/slapped on by these rbrs?
Who knows?
More to come, may be after this coming weekend?
As a result of my last weekend's 2 hours fun, this Virtuoso deserves to be my " Signature"...
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Anyone know how the OSP Virtuoso plays with classic rubbers like Sriver or Mark V?
How is the throw of the Virtuoso? Low or medium. |
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holda
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Ok,here is my small contribution.A video clip I made the same day after receiving the blade from Hungary.I am in the US.My current rating is around 1600+/-50,which is not high by any means.Though I have played pretty regularly over the past 6 years I had only some coaching as a kid-so really,realy long tome ago.I am a close to the table player.I try to execute all strokes,but I mostly use ball placement/blocking/flat hits.Top spin/side spin hate me as much I do them,but still some days I am in better shape than other times.Any way,here is what I think may be part 1 -short video clip,
http://www.youtube.com/user/zyk227#p/a/u/0/I5fKhJKKlYM |
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Ups, sorry What I mean is from 87-92 gr range. so + 5 gr |
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The OSP Ultimate feels around the same speed, during play; as my 6.8mm Clipper Wood. I'm basing that on my experience of playing with 2.15mm TG3 Neo and H3 NEO, on both blades. As well as getting the opinions of friends who've also tried the Ultimate too. |
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TBS = 158/5.7, Clipper = 159, HK = 158/5.5... it is not by chance. Thin or not thin is question of approach. For us it is not thin. In my approach Ultimate is not slower than Clipper and we can start which you mean "fast" when the racket is solid as a rock, or kicks like a spring. Clipper is solid as a rock, high bending strength, Ultimate is a bit more comfortable but its is not a Clipper clone so we dont intend to compete Clipper. ELCON = Erik Lindh Conic (a bit thicker than Johansson... unforunately forgotten by manufacturers |
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+- 5g????? overall 10g???? It is more than 11% man :O We are far more precise.. |
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The blades are really beautiful, especially handles. The outer Limba grain and the apparent craftmanship look really superior quality. I just wonder why you chose such long shape ? 158 and 159mm must make them really head heavy, doesn't it ? If you stick heavy tenergies on it, it shall be even head heavier...? Also, a 7 plies 5.9mm thick, isn't it too thin ? What is the benefit of having such a thin 7 ply racket ? Why not making a thicker 5 ply, if you want to increase stiffness and speed ?
One reviewer presents (if I got it right...) ultimate as a slower clipper. Do you confirm ?
Edit : Sorry, also forgot to ask, ELCON handle shape really looks like conical Kjell Johansson. Is that it ?
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ejmaster
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I agree, and that is one of the good things i found about the sn465.
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I just want to advise you to make +/- 5 gr weight range for Virtuoso and Ultimate. The one who like lighter can pick the light one, the one who like heavier can pick the heavier one. I'm hoping to get heavier Virtuoso without paying more for custom made blade. But 87 gr is ok |
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Believe us its enough :) Due to handmade processes we can work like companies cannot work. In the other side we are fully aware of the fact that we have 2 models that cannot cover all of the demands... we still develop blades. In July Expert will come for ols Stiga lovers, then we plan a cpenholder (because cpen is not only a handle but a style) and a beginner racket (because a kid has different biometric) Anyway it would be fine from you to collect why players like thick blades.. we will see then how much your list similar to ours :) |
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I agree with, But I think these palatinus OSP blades and offcourse the custommades are not vibrating. This way i call it a good Kick wich is helps not disturbs....vibration is longer and that is a disturbaace. For example Old Stiga off with 5.2 thickness is vibrating!! Palatinus blades have power cure so these are have only one kick and I think this is the best feedback into your palm and brain :) So I always know what i want to do and enjoy the game with virtuoso ;) |
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