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It was quite a surprise to receive this blade in the mail few weeks ago.

 

OldStiga Standard Palatinus 5 ply All Wood Anatomic (Ulf “Tickan” Carlsson style) handle

Blade weighs 86.5g.


First Impression:

The craftsmanship and finishing is just nice. Not overly conspicuous and it doesn’t have any attention-seeking look with sophisticated graphics or multiple colors, just plain, boring and simple as one might say but to me personally, its simplicity alone already caught my full/earnest attention. Its head or face reminds me that of Clipper/All Round Evolution. The blade came already lightly sealed, it looks like it’s been sun-tanned. I could still feel that there are some minor rough edges and upon close inspection, I could see that the handle where it joins the head, seems to have a hairline gap/void, if one thinks that some Stiga blades are not well put together, well, this one is better but not as immaculate as Butterfly, Donic or Xiom or other leading brands. To me, it doesn’t really matter at all as the Limba outer plies seemed to be of the highest quality as its grains are so distinct, it’s already to me “Graphical” enough.

The Anatomic handle is as good as Stiga Clipper’s and some of my Butterfly’s, I like it as much as my Photino’s, SC’s which are thick, “meaty” and I always use these two as my Benchmark, but not the KLPSP’ & TBS’s as these two are just too thin for my liking. The “prints” on the OSP Virtuoso handle seemed to be smudged while the “maker” was printing on it, it therefore doesn’t look as good as the “Golden” color of the later batch. Again, if I paid HUGE bucks for it, I would’ve returned it for an exchange, yet this one was just 1 out of PLLSystem’s 1st initial batch and it’s for me to test play, it doesn’t matter as most of the Stigas I came across over the years looked more awful than this.

 

 

Rubbers Info.:
FH: Joola Tango 2.0 Red, Used & with Glued Residue
BH: Haifu BW II Pre-tuned, Used, Max, I think, as there is no thickness info. on the sponge.

Overall weight of this Combo: 173.5g



Counter-hitting / Blocking:
For Flat Hitting:

Nice cracking, crispy sound yet not as loud or pronounced as my other/last/previous blades, i.e. Old SC, 91g Acoustic, TBS, KLHSp or even my favorite Photino yet louder than another of my all time favorites, Tibhar H-3-9. It feels less stiff than all the above-mentioned, but I felt that it has quite a sweet spot compared to the others but not as nice/large as H-3-9. It has the typical woody sound but with an added sweeter kind of tone unlike that of Acoustic or other pure 5 ply (Pkorbel) which I’ve tried and still own. The control is, well, just fabulous and I thought I could just go on & on and that it’s THE blade that makes me NOT thinking about…..”wooooo…I’m playing with THE blade of ALL blades and I’ve got to be careful and not hit the table by accident”. It’s just a confidence-inducing blade as far as I’m concerned. Really really put a smile on my face every time I hit or blocked.


For Blocking:

It was a breeze both FH and BH, whether active or passive but not as “instantaneous” as more expensive or famous blades like SC, Photino, TBS or even KLHSp. In a way, it reminds me of my last but seasoned 91g Acoustic with some glued DHS rubbers, not as fast as those greatest but faster than Pkorbel, AR Stellan Bengsston, AR Evolution, it felt better than YEO as good as my friend’s WCS Senso V1 w/Tibhar Nimbus Medium on BH yet slightly more confident both FH & BH almost right on par with H-3-9 with IQ 35d 2.0mm.

FH/BH Looping/Drive:
I like FH looping/smashing/Driving a lot, I was pretty happy with that versatile Pkorbel until a Photino came along and it was a pure/pleasant joy/surprise to find out that I could actually do more, as it’s more power, stable, faster yet controllable, I pretty much stopped my EJ quest for my Illusive, the ONE. How does this Virtuoso stand while comparing with Photino? Well, pretty well, I’d say, slower, dwell time longer, not as spiny yet adequate for my liking/purpose. It’s not quite there yet in the Speed/Power spectrum still I just thoroughly enjoyed what I could accomplish w/the OSP or may be even more if I could upgrade my FH rubber to, ermmm….just dunno what, when or ever as $$$$ is the issue here. This OSP V does have lots of control and nice feedback. I could in a way, do pretty much well playing fast /slow loops vs DEF opponent (Vlady, my partner likes FH/bh chopping a lot as well and he’s a good chopper too.) So loop drive/slow spiny loop are no problem there.
BH looping/drive is my most favourite way to enjoy this blade. It’s easier and more controllable than with my 84g (blade only) Photino combo set-up. The shot went slower/spiny and may be longer more often and the arc went high near the end of the table and that was a pleasant surprise, I must say…..Vlady said a few times, “WTF…I thought these BH shots you made few times were too long beyond the table..These were supposedly out?”
Just so enjoyable, reminds me the good times I had w/my 1982 Stiga AR w/ Tackiness Drive BH plus 38mm ball era long time ago, all those BH Drives went in, in and in most of the times vs my old classmate who played vs me with his old Jpen.

BH/FH Pushing:
More delicate/controllable compared to, in the speed department, the two Photino and H-3-9 set-ups, it was very noticeable esp. in the short game/flipping BH, FH. Serves were as good as H-3-9, may be with a little more control, slower and a tad spinnier. For FH/BH rallies, I was more consistent, able to stay on the table for longer time. Just so enjoyable.

Final thought/Conclusion:
Would this be my main blade from now on? Would I be feeling sorry to demote my 2 favourites, H-3-9 & Photino?
Oh Yes & Nope!

Would I spend huge amount of money to acquire this? Yes, but I’d have to unload some of my gems for just this or IT.

Would my EJ Quest/days be over for good? Very likely YES, as I don’t see anything interesting out there for that equal amount of $$$$$.

Would I pass this Virtuoso on to others to have a crack at it? I don’t think so..

Would I return this Virtuoso to Laszlo, PLLSystem upon his request? Nah…Fat Chance. I’m gonna keep it for the NEXT 25 years at least. There's no way I'm gonna sell or trade this away....

Would I be playing better and better from now on? Hah….Don’t think so or Do I ever care?

All in all, IMHO, this is just a gem and to be honest, I’ve not touched other blades for 3 solid weeks…that’s really quite unusual for an EJ or now past EJ like me.

I might have said things/BS repeatedly in my so-called “Review”, If I did, please forgive OR just ignore me as English is my 3rd language. I might come back to this thread to fix my mistakes tho’ in due course/next or future re-visits.

Once again, thanks you, PLLSystem.



Edited by tiehwen - 06/28/2010 at 8:58pm
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Hi all, we recenty noticed that some of our testrackets have been traded. We are glad to achieve that because it seems we stepped to that level. Besides that it is very good since testers provide that opportunity for other and we can have more and more feedback.

Please consider that we have never sold testrackets with the old OSP logo. In sum testrackets differ in the logo only.
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Unfortunatelly our website is down due to hacker attacks. Our server switched to defensive mode until the certain IP-s filtered. You can read "Your account is suspended" message that is regular in this case. You can mail or PM me directly.
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Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:


The only question not answered was the type of veneers they are going to use for my custom made blade. But probably this is classified information... Smile


You asked about the lamina, not the veneers :) that was answered... Your custommade racket will have koto outer ply. The others are really not for public ;)
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Originally posted by tiehwen tiehwen wrote:

OS Palatinus Virtuoso UTC An. Joola Tango FH, Haifu BW2 BH


What is the best rubber match so far for Virtuoso? What D is your BW2?

I ordered a Virtuoso and a custom made 7-ply flexible Off blade. Will report back when they arrive in resp. 1 and 6 weeks. Communication so far is good. The only question not answered was the type of veneers they are going to use for my custom made blade. But probably this is classified information... Smile

BTW, anybody tell us something about sn491 - composition, feel, speed and control.

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Originally posted by holda holda wrote:


Hey,Peter.
I think Virtuoso is closer to P.Korbel from Butterfly.
Acoustic/Violin are too different,in my opinion.
While Virtuoso is a 5 ply,like Korbel,it is stiffer(I thought Virtuoso was a thicker blade initially,but not true-Virtuoso is 5.7mm thick while Korbel is 5.89mm) and faster.The Virtuoso that I have got smaller dimensions ,but still with nice weight balance shifted to the handle.Being moderately stiff and having good dwell time,one can execute
top spin shots very easily.Korbel is famous for that ,too,but in my opinion Korbel has softer wood veneers and so less powerful as a result.To compensate for this one would really like to have expensive modern rubbers,while with Virtuoso rubber range can be much more expanded.
Virtuoso is made very well-no rough edges,nicely finished/partially laquered by the maker.It could be a blade for anyone from the novice to highly advanced player.My Virtuoso sample is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku,just softer.And when strike the ball the racket sounds like one cracks nuts.I would probably like it to be just slightly heavier and may be bit stiffer/less dwell time.Overall,great design/quality/playing characteristics.Plus,blade handle can be customized to fit wider hands.I love the conic handle design which is not available from other manufactures.
As said earlier this is a modern offensive blade,some people might classify it as off-, I put in off group.Control is excellent,no questions about it.
Note:since some players aren't too worried about speed glue ban-good for them,but I strongly recommend to potential buyers to use wood sealant.Outer plies are nicely finished so to keep the blade intact water based glue needs to be used carefully as someone suggested-wait
until glue becomes transparent/dries completely.


If it's close to Petr Korbel it's good then. I don't like the big head size and slim ST handle of PK, feels head heavy.
I already ordered Virtuoso FL handle, it looks big and comfortable Wink
Yes sealing a thin coat is necessary if anyone want to use waterbase glue.
But Violin doesn't need sealing at all, no problem.

Virtuoso seems to made for Glue ban, suitable for Tenergy, let's see if it's really a good combo.
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Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

.....I was initially unhappy with not being able to play BH shots with some blade I had bought initially.......Coincidently I've the same experience/issue/problem here. With Virtuoso last weekend, it was just right there, just right On & on......Thumbs%20Up
Virtuoso is crafted individually....it is built to higher standard as opposed to mass produced blades. Just look @ the pic. of PKorbel FL posted by Austin in the "Picture of yoUR blades" topic....don't forget as his PK was bought brand new as well...what a contrast compared to the pic. of Virtuoso I posted b4 his...
I have been very satisfied with its performance,design,playing characteristics, so I yes, it is pleasure to play with it. It sure is....
I think Virtuoso is well built and it offers more than traditional blades I have held in my hands. I think whoever has already tried this model may also be interested in trying a 7 ply blade made by the maker. I am...Nah...not me at least not yet.....
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One can play with anything,EJM,but having something nice is always enjoyable.I know(we all do)-many Asian players/some European prefer simple trusted CLipper,Offensive CR and other like.Table tennis has shown there is fashion in it and many of us ejs.I think if you find a suitable blade for yourself and you see progress in your game,what is more to wish?I was initially unhappy with not being able to play BH shots with some blade I had bought .I wasn't able to just be comfortable when playing my first a couple of rackets.I went through a large number of blades,but I got
a Violin and that should have been the end of search for me.I suddenly realized I liked trying other blades.I have said-enough,enough,but continued fooling around with other blades.
Someone said whatever best out there there is that is what you should play with.I agree and disagree with the statement.Not everyone is fortunate as to try all that is now available on the market,but I think a nice suitable blade is a must have.
Virtuoso is
crafted individually ,so yes,of course,it is build to higher standarts as opposed to mass produced blades.
I have been very satisfied with its performance,design,playing characteristics,so I yes,it is pleasure to play with it.
I think Virtuoso is well build and offers more than traditional blades I have held in my hands.I think whoever trys this model may also be interested in trying a 7 ply blade made by the maker.I am...
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Originally posted by holda holda wrote:

Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Ejmaster, have you tried the Virtuoso? could you please compare Virtuoso with Acoustic/Violin/Korbel?Interms of Speed, control and feel.

Hey,Peter.
I think Virtuoso is closer to P.Korbel from Butterfly.
Acoustic/Violin are too different,in my opinion.
While Virtuoso is a 5 ply,like Korbel,it is stiffer(possibly due to being slightly thicker) and faster.The Virtuoso that I have got larger dimensions ,but still with nice weight balance shifted to the handle.Being moderately stiff and having good dwell time,one can execute
top spin shots very easily.Korbel is famous for that ,too,but in my opinion Korbel has softer wood veneers and so less powerful as a result.To compensate for this one would really like to have expensive modern rubbers,while with Virtuoso rubber range can be much more expanded.
Virtuoso is made very well-no rough edges,nicely finished/partially laquered by the maker.It could be a blade for anyone from the novice to highly advanced player.My Virtuoso sample is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku,just softer.And when strike the ball the racket sounds like one cracks nuts.I would probably like it to be just slightly heavier and may be bit stiffer/less dwell time.Overall,great design/quality/playing characteristics.Plus,blade handle can be customized to fit wider hands.I love the conic handle design which is not available from other manufactures.
As said earlier this is a modern offensive blade,some people might classify it as off-, I put in off group.Control is excellent,no questions about it.
Note:since some players aren't too worried about speed glue ban-good for them,but I strongly recommend to potential buyers to use wood sealant.Outer plies are nicely finished so to keep the blade intact water based glue needs to be used carefully as someone suggested-wait
until glue becomes transparent/dries completely.
 
I do not have Virtuoso but when i read the thread feedback about the Virtuoso blade, a similar feeling comes when i talked about the sn465.
 
But i have some questions:
 
Dont you think a lot of people would play with that blade better than with some others?.
 
Dont you think it is a pleasure to have a good blade from amateur to high level than ejing too much?.
 
Do you consider the blade outstanding in the present wood blade market offering?.
 
Maybe some comments about the sn465 blade though biased (a label), were not so far from reality?.    
 
The last question is related to people who label to discredit.
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

Ejmaster, have you tried the Virtuoso? could you please compare Virtuoso with Acoustic/Violin/Korbel?Interms of Speed, control and feel.

Hey,Peter.
I think Virtuoso is closer to P.Korbel from Butterfly.
Acoustic/Violin are too different,in my opinion.
While Virtuoso is a 5 ply,like Korbel,it is stiffer(I thought Virtuoso was a thicker blade initially,but not true-Virtuoso is 5.7mm thick while Korbel is 5.89mm) and faster.The Virtuoso that I have got smaller dimensions ,but still with nice weight balance shifted to the handle.Being moderately stiff and having good dwell time,one can execute
top spin shots very easily.Korbel is famous for that ,too,but in my opinion Korbel has softer wood veneers and so less powerful as a result.To compensate for this one would really like to have expensive modern rubbers,while with Virtuoso rubber range can be much more expanded.
Virtuoso is made very well-no rough edges,nicely finished/partially laquered by the maker.It could be a blade for anyone from the novice to highly advanced player.My Virtuoso sample is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku,just softer.And when strike the ball the racket sounds like one cracks nuts.I would probably like it to be just slightly heavier and may be bit stiffer/less dwell time.Overall,great design/quality/playing characteristics.Plus,blade handle can be customized to fit wider hands.I love the conic handle design which is not available from other manufactures.
As said earlier this is a modern offensive blade,some people might classify it as off-, I put in off group.Control is excellent,no questions about it.
Note:since some players aren't too worried about speed glue ban-good for them,but I strongly recommend to potential buyers to use wood sealant.Outer plies are nicely finished so to keep the blade intact water based glue needs to be used carefully as someone suggested-wait
until glue becomes transparent/dries completely.
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You can seal it if you want. I am sure many of users will seal it and will smoothen the edges. It is regular use.
But we endevour to make high quality racket with stable surface that need no sealing.
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Does OSP blades need sealing or is this already done on site?
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Tiehwen,I think you will also love it with more powerful rubbers,just those that may be harder a bit.Palatinus devised this model to be OFF-,but with the intent to compensate for the glue ban.So I really think Virtuoso should be rated OFF.I have seen my shots to be "loopier" even with Joola Gp,which is soft very rubber with excellent grip.Between Virtuoso and P.Korbel, the former is more powerful and stable,stiffer blade.
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I played on last Sunday for 2 hours with OSP Virtuoso An. w/2 used rbrs - Joola Tango 2.0? & Haifu BW 2 "given" to me by a nice/generous member here. I slapped on the rbrs on Sat. afternoon n left the combo sitting on the deck for most of the night sorta to "kill" the SG stench & effect (1 layer, not too generous amount, as I dun have WB glue).
To my surprise the combo's overall weight was only 173.5g.
It was so easy/joy to play with and I was expecting it to be as good as my last 91g used Acoustic ST w/some cheapie Chinese Rbrs & hoping that it would be as good or close to some of my previous/present blades/combos, e.g. H-3-9 ST, Photino FL, TBS & what have u or u name it....
It is in fact, in a way, better than my last Acoustic, way way better than most if not all of my above-mentioned.
I'm not gonna write any review here, at least not yet, not after ONLY 2 hours of play. It deserves to be played/enjoyed more for me to gather my thoughts to compile more for even begin to sit dwn & write my review. Big%20smile
My 1st thought after only a good 15 mins or so was like....Wow, hey...I could loop well, FH/BH, block, push/flick well with it...how did this maker come up with/manage to make this "gem" so well FOR me?
I could do a lotta things right, including my Ma Long's  Big%20smile kinda BH which I've been dying to try to do better with all those expensive, well..most of my blades are actually less than 100.00 each, only couple of exceptions.
I could actually "feel" the ball with whatever shots I made, I thought, yeah...may be these rbrs helped and yet these are not even the latest/greatest/more expensive tuned/pre-tuned rubbers.
Another thing is that it has min. or neglegible flex/vibration which I really enjoyed unlike that of PKorbel of similar weight, may be this is what they call it "Sweet Vibration"?
I'd say this Virtuoso is in the neighbourhood of OFF-/OFF, it has quite a high pitch sound when hitting no matter what kinda of shots I made, it couldn't be SG effect as it was already hours & hours after 1 not too generous layer of Glue.
Pushing/Flicking/receiving serves FH/BH or shot game were easy and effortless and so enjoyable....
Yeah...Holda was right to say that the throw is Med/Med-high at best and to be honest I thoroughly enjoyed looping FH/BH w/it. I'm a HUGH fan of Petr Korbel's BH flicking/receiving of serves so is my Czech old buddy, Vlady and he said, "wow....U seemed to enjoy/make alotta that particular trick, that blade really helped u today, eh?"
Smashing, well...i didn't get to do alot in that 2, too short, hours as I had to rush out for some urgent appointment.
Just can't wait to play it again and hopefully I could slap on some good, greatest/latest rbrs but kinda reluctant/hesitant to do so cuz. I still prefer rbrs like Sriver L/EL or may be this blade deserves to be spoiled/slapped on by these rbrs?
Who knows?
More to come, may be after this coming weekend?
As a result of my last weekend's 2 hours fun, this Virtuoso deserves to be my " Signature"...Thumbs%20Up
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Originally posted by kelvinyoong kelvinyoong wrote:

Anyone know how the OSP Virtuoso plays with classic rubbers like Sriver or Mark V?How is the throw of the Virtuoso? Low or medium.
medium-medium high,good dwell time,still has good wood combination for flat hitting.looping can be executed with no problem.i think sriver family will be a good choice even if you don't speed glue-these blades have very powerful combination of wood laminas-speed-wise Virtuso is as fast as Acoustic from Nittaku
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Anyone know how the OSP Virtuoso plays with classic rubbers like Sriver or Mark V?

How is the throw of the Virtuoso? Low or medium.
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Ok,here is my small contribution.A video clip I made the same day after receiving the blade from Hungary.I am in the US.My current rating is around 1600+/-50,which is not high by any means.Though I have played pretty regularly over the past 6 years I had only some coaching as a kid-so really,realy long tome ago.I am a close to the table player.I try to execute all strokes,but I mostly use ball placement/blocking/flat hits.Top spin/side spin hate me as much I do them,but still some days I am in better shape than other times.Any way,here is what I think may be part 1 -short video clip,
http://www.youtube.com/user/zyk227#p/a/u/0/I5fKhJKKlYM

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+- 5g????? overall 10g???? It is more than 11% man :O We are far more precise..


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What I mean is from 87-92 gr range. so + 5 gr Embarrassed
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The OSP Ultimate feels around the same speed, during play; as my 6.8mm Clipper Wood.

I'm basing that on my experience of playing with 2.15mm TG3 Neo and H3 NEO, on both blades. As well as getting the opinions of friends who've also tried the Ultimate too.



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Originally posted by jcdi jcdi wrote:

The blades are really beautiful, especially handles. The outer Limba grain and the apparent craftmanship look really superior quality. I just wonder why you chose such long shape ? 158 and 159mm must make them really head heavy, doesn't it ? If you stick heavy tenergies on it, it shall be even head heavier...? Also, a 7 plies 5.9mm thick, isn't it too thin ? What is the benefit of having such a thin 7 ply racket ? Why not making a thicker 5 ply, if you want to increase stiffness and speed ?
One reviewer presents (if I got it right...) ultimate as a slower clipper. Do you confirm ?


Edit : Sorry, also forgot to ask, ELCON handle shape really looks like conical Kjell Johansson. Is that it ?


TBS = 158/5.7, Clipper = 159, HK = 158/5.5... it is not by chance.

Thin or not thin is question of approach. For us it is not thin. In my approach Ultimate is not slower than Clipper and we can start which you mean "fast" when the racket is solid as a rock, or kicks like a spring. Clipper is solid as a rock, high bending strength, Ultimate is a bit more comfortable but its is not a Clipper clone so we dont intend to compete Clipper.

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I just want to advise you to make +/- 5 gr weight range for Virtuoso and Ultimate. The one who like lighter can pick the light one, the one who like heavier can pick the heavier one.I'm hoping to get heavier Virtuoso without paying more for custom made blade. But 87 gr is ok Tongue


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The blades are really beautiful, especially handles. The outer Limba grain and the apparent craftmanship look really superior quality. I just wonder why you chose such long shape ? 158 and 159mm must make them really head heavy, doesn't it ? If you stick heavy tenergies on it, it shall be even head heavier...? Also, a 7 plies 5.9mm thick, isn't it too thin ? What is the benefit of having such a thin 7 ply racket ? Why not making a thicker 5 ply, if you want to increase stiffness and speed ?
One reviewer presents (if I got it right...) ultimate as a slower clipper. Do you confirm ?
 
Edit : Sorry, also forgot to ask, ELCON handle shape really looks like conical Kjell Johansson. Is that it ?
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Originally posted by fzolesz fzolesz wrote:

Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

93 g with Chinese rubbers (Haifu or Neo Pro) is almost 200 grams.Vibration is feedback, not disturbance.

 

There is good vibration with feedback and there is disturbance vibration. 2 different things.


I agree with, But I think these palatinus OSP blades and offcourse the custommades are not vibrating.
This way i call it a good Kick wich is helps not disturbs....vibration is longer and that is a disturbaace.

For example Old Stiga off with 5.2 thickness is vibrating!!

Palatinus blades have power cure so these are have only one kick and I think this is the best feedback into your palm and brain :)
So I always know what i want to do and enjoy the game with virtuoso ;)
 
I agree, and that is one of the good things i found about the sn465.
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Believe us its enough :) Due to handmade processes we can work like companies cannot work. In the other side we are fully aware of the fact that we have 2 models that cannot cover all of the demands... we still develop blades. In July Expert will come for ols Stiga lovers, then we plan a cpenholder (because cpen is not only a handle but a style) and a beginner racket (because a kid has different biometric)

Anyway it would be fine from you to collect why players like thick blades.. we will see then how much your list similar to ours :)


I just want to advise you to make +/- 5 gr weight range for Virtuoso and Ultimate. The one who like lighter can pick the light one, the one who like heavier can pick the heavier one.

I'm hoping to get heavier Virtuoso without paying more for custom made blade. But 87 gr is ok Tongue
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

I saw the OSP Ultimate which is 7 ply blade is very thin. The thickness is 0.1 mm thicker than Virtuoso. 5.7mm vs 5.8 mm.How is the 7 ply compared to the 5 ply for looping?Is it still good enough to loop? If it's only the speed diff, I might consider to try the 7 ply too.I found Clipper isn't for me, too stiff and not a good blade to loop.


Believe us its enough :) Due to handmade processes we can work like companies cannot work. In the other side we are fully aware of the fact that we have 2 models that cannot cover all of the demands... we still develop blades. In July Expert will come for ols Stiga lovers, then we plan a cpenholder (because cpen is not only a handle but a style) and a beginner racket (because a kid has different biometric)

Anyway it would be fine from you to collect why players like thick blades.. we will see then how much your list similar to ours :)
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Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

93 g with Chinese rubbers (Haifu or Neo Pro) is almost 200 grams.Vibration is feedback, not disturbance.


There is good vibration with feedback and there is disturbance vibration. 2 different things.


I agree with, But I think these palatinus OSP blades and offcourse the custommades are not vibrating.
This way i call it a good Kick wich is helps not disturbs....vibration is longer and that is a disturbaace.

For example Old Stiga off with 5.2 thickness is vibrating!!

Palatinus blades have power cure so these are have only one kick and I think this is the best feedback into your palm and brain :)
So I always know what i want to do and enjoy the game with virtuoso ;)
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