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Originally posted by JonathanVN JonathanVN wrote:

My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 

This is terrible advice!  I cannot see how anyone could improve using this unless they were playing players twice their age.  I think you need to switch to anti-spin and long pips immediately.  

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My coach at a local club gave me some good advice on making sure that the racket is parallel to the table on close to the table shots. Obviously, the loop and longer drives will have a different racket head angle, but for shorter ranged drives, it is best to make contact with the ball at the side and to hit it parallel. This advice moved me from a 1500 player to a 1700 player in about two months. 
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by V-Griper V-Griper wrote:

"It's all timing" -Wang Zhen aka Eugene Wang.


I heard Eugene say that once too.  It is so true!  And he pretty much never mistimes a shot. 

So how to do it?  "Concentrate on making back-swing the same speed as ball is coming at you if you are having problems with timing.  Bring racket back fast if ball is fast, slow if ball is slow, it keeps you from rushing, which is more common a problem than being late."  I got this gem from Eric Owens.

When he and I were doing one on one for about 15 mins I asked him and he said that I was not ready by the time the ball was bouncing. I practiced this but did not get it until about 3 weeks ago(clinic was in June). 

I actually observe that the take back on shots varies allot and in most cases the paddle is taken back slightly faster than the incoming ball speed especially on the BH. What does not vary much at all is the footwork and loading up of the legs at the bounce. So that is what I focused on. 

Best example of really good ball timing that is obvious is ZJK. You can really see it on his serve return, He bounces twice each time in sync with the first and second bounce of the ball. Every single time the ball is bouncing his legs are loaded and then he pushes up as the ball is rising from the bounce. Every shot, FH or BH. Also on serve, he always completes his transition to the ready position at the time of the second bounce of his serve. Now look at the other pros. They pretty much all do it. 




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" Maintain a good form at all times "  primarily meaning that I should somehow hide my belly (I am about 25 pounds overweight...) hit the backhansd in front of me, and not over-hit the fast forehand loops over the table (which is hard because of the belly). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/14/2013 at 11:11am
Another good one from a coach in my wife's home town in China.  Most people think that they are in a perfectly neutral stance when it feels like they have equal weight on both legs.  Actually, most of the time when it feels like that, you actually have more weight on right leg (assuming you are right handed) because for most people the right leg is stronger.  Because of this you move slowly to the right on a strongly angled ball. It is almost impossible to move in that direction if the right side is supporting more of your weight, so first you have to transfer weight to left side and then move.  In worst case, you lose balance and end up with the right leg far in front of left at end of the shot.  Once that happens you are totally hosed for the rest of the point.  To avoid this catastrophic footwork error, (1) increase strength in left leg, and until that happens, (2) be aware that a truly neutral ready position is one in which it feels like there is a bit more weight on your left leg.    
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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

"Don't rush - take your time - you have more time than you think"
  One of my favorites.  Eric used to say that a lot too.
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Originally posted by V-Griper V-Griper wrote:

"It's all timing" -Wang Zhen aka Eugene Wang.


I heard Eugene say that once too.  It is so true!  And he pretty much never mistimes a shot. 

So how to do it?  "Concentrate on making back-swing the same speed as ball is coming at you if you are having problems with timing.  Bring racket back fast if ball is fast, slow if ball is slow, it keeps you from rushing, which is more common a problem than being late."  I got this gem from Eric Owens.
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"It's all timing" -Wang Zhen aka Eugene Wang.
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   "MONSTER NAMELESS IS A MERE GNAT...."


Stay calm.
Never have visual contact, eye-to-eye, with your opponent. Only monitor opponent's racket hand and the ball.
   Foget opponents's civil name and his rating standpoint..
Keep up your own preferred playing rhitm and pace; don't be hurry-scurry when serving.

Thus could you beat anybody.


I learned those proficient guidances back in my remote sweet youth, ... years ago. And those stil working for me only too well.    
Why need I volumes of boring, prolific books if a single word of wisdom is sufficient?


Thanks to the guidance, I can now play any Chinese monsters without any fear in my heart.. Fear kills.

A monster nameless is NOBODY, just a gnat insignificant.    Nothing to be fidget about.....

Dear COACH, i will preserve your every word thankfully. Thanks for giving those useful teachings to make me a rockfast player mentally. BE HAPPY IN THE AFTERLIFE, DAD.
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Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

1. Using pushing play style, you can beat lot of good players.
2. Me: Coach, can you teach me service returns, I'm very bad with this? C: It's easy, just topspin everything.

Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

"keep the ball on the table"


I found these posts really interesting. I'm around a 12-1300 level player. Just got done with a disappointing tournament where I honestly did not play very well.

What happened? 
- Played a lot of unorthadox players who play with little to no spin or push all day.
- I missed too many shots where I got the ball I wanted.

I think an observation I've made is don't fall in love with watching the Ma Longs vs Xu Xins of the world thinking "that's how I should play". That game of table tennis (where it's largely off the table counterlooping) is very different from the one I see almost entirely (more of a closed game, close to the table, who is going to be the first one to open it up?) If I were ever to be a 2000 rated player someday? Sure. Shoot for that more professional style. But at this point that's looking highly unlikely.

IMO there are several, several players in my range to about 1700 you can beat with a solid push/defensive game.

Thus the two quotes I posted above I feel tie together and are extremely important.

Best advice I've ever heard:
#1 rule - "keep the ball on the table"

Worse advice I've ever heard? It's not necessarily bad but I suppose my interpretation of it was bad.... Probably "In modern table tennis, if the ball is off the table, attack it." While this is true for high level players, I think it has put a mindset in my head (penholder) that I am currently trying deprogram. I often miss low % shots because it's low, off the table and I'm trying to loop a hard winner. Furthermore, this mindset puts pressure on me thinking that if I'm going to get to 11 points, I'm going to have to hit about 8-9 good winners. 

#1 rule - "keep the ball on the table". I like this one best. Sometimes just staying in the point is the best thing you can do. Let the opponent prove they can win points also vs just giving them freebies.


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For the most part my coach doesn't say much.  He doesn't need to.  I made it clear up front to beat me without mercy. Then it is painfully obvious what my faults are.  I have been taking lessons for about 6 months now, two hours a week.  I am learning to adapt after losing points the same way over and over and over and over again.  Just getting ball back is not good enough because if it is a weak return I won't even get my paddle on the next ball.

My coach doesn't say too much about footwork.  He simply hits the ball at the edges or at the elbow.  He loves hooking loops across my elbow area where I think should use my BH then I realize too late that I need to step to the left to hit it with my FH.  I have to watch how he hits the ball so I can predict sooner where the ball will go.  Again,  I have to adapt and move.  I have come to realize that I got to start moving as soon as I can after the coach hits the ball to be in position.  Too often I wait too long to move. 

My coach didn't say too much about serves.  It it obvious that I made a poor serve when I have a hard time just trying to get back the third ball.

My coach did show me how to hold the paddle when serving so I could use my wrist more.  It made a big difference because now when I serve I make what looks like the same strokes but simply use my wrist more or less to vary the spin.  I am told it is hard to read my serves easily.  I also use my loser grip to add more top spins to my BH loops.  BTW, I like my Firewall Plus but the handle is big and it is harder to flex the wrist without the handle bumping into my wrist. 

Sometimes it is a little frustrating using this beat me without mercy negative feedback approach.

I tend to be a little too aggressive. My coach says that I should give the other person a chance to screw up.  However,  when I am playing with the coach he doesn't screw up much so I must be aggressive to win points.   BTW,  I have told the coach that I think he is too passive but then he is playing me and giving me a chance to screw up.





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Several different coaches with the same advice for my game - move your feet and not your handShocked

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"Nobody cares how many practice matches you win."
Meaning to use practice matches to practice, not for ego trip.

"If you can't handle a return shot, that means you hit the ball too hard.  Play at your speed, not your opponent's speed."

Me: "Coach, my FH loop is bad."  Coach: "Hit 10,000 of them in match play and if it's still a problem ask me again."  Me: ShockedShocked  Coach: "No, really, 10,000.  You can count them."

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touch the ball, which means, be in position,  play to a location.
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"Don't rush - take your time - you have more time than you think"
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Two pearls of wisdom from my old coach (University team)

a) table tennis is a really simple game. All you need to do is to win one point. The last one.

b) brain, feet, body, hands - that's the right sequence. The great players are those who can learn to finally skip the "brain" step.

And I should add - the great veteran players are those who can play using just the last part of the sequence. (the first three either not needed or don't work anymore) Big smile
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Originally posted by ybok ybok wrote:

Can you explain this one:  
 
33. Play the point, not the situation. (Danny Seemiller)
 
I think I understand the point part, what distinguishes that from the situation?


Don't gag on deuce, fifth set.  Play the point only.  A return of serve, loop, chop, flick is the exact same thing and motion on the last point of the match as on the first point of the match.
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Originally posted by power7 power7 wrote:

One I heard recently that made me laugh.

"I can teach you that, but will you be able to use it in a game?"

your reply could be. "then teach me how to use it in a game " :P
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One I heard recently that made me laugh.

"I can teach you that, but will you be able to use it in a game?"
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"Don't give up your day job..." LOL  and always expect your shot to come back.
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PH- Coach.. dealing with long pushes.. dotn try and spin it too much. instead slap the ball more and follow through. this aids in quicker recovery and less evenrgy used for a similar effect
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

"keep the ball on the table"
 
I am not a coach.  When some players with less experience than me hitting the ball off the table or into the next,  I would tell them not to practise mistakes.  They are the ones who tend to hit hard but not accurate. Practise by keeping the ball on the table instead of practising mistakes hitting the ball off the table or into the net. 
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Probably for me as a 'young' player my late 10s:
"Chill kid.. Being fast is easy once you get your technique straight.."

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When you block a ball coming slow but loaded with spin, don't just put the bat passively thinking all you have to do is to get the angle right. Even if it's coming slow it'll pick up speed once it hits your bat and shoot off the table. Flick it on the top a little bit to counter the spin + put a little bit of yours on it.

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