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vutiendat1337 
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Compared MX-P, Xiom Sigma II pro (just launched), Tenergy 80, 1Q-XD, 1Q side by side.
Liked 1Q-XD most .... the most spinny and poweful and stable and doesn't change much with time, and fast, and behaved, and great blocks and acceptable pushes.... and and and... Next best Sigma 2 pro and mx-p are very good with s2p being tad faster and mx-p being little spinnier but same type of feel. i will use one of these 2 rubbers on my fh... while 1Q-XD on BH. Tenergy 80... as good as these rubbers for first 2 days.. third day, which was also the last day i played with it... the feel changed became more 'tenergyish' and i didn't like it any more. 1Q was very good in feel...could have been a great rubber.. but the low throw ...lower than i like. Actually i figured if you pick an ESN rubber which has been launched in last 6 months.. and if you pick the right hardness... you just cannot go wrong!!! ... But if you like chinese rubbers and wouldn't mind a boost of spin speed and hard sponge feel... you gotta ...gotta try 1Q-Xd. i never thought i will like a hard sponged rubber on BH.... frankly it has certain disadvantages for BH... but i win so many points in opening loops with whirling spin, that i compromise some BH counterlooping control. i wont recommend it for bh though. |
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Yeah - way too many good rubbers out there - so time to stop EJing and get some coaching!
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debraj, you make me want to try the 1Q-XD!! Trying the Acuda S1 now and while not bad I find it kind of non linear and a tad slow. I am not sure if it is the blade, or blade rubber combination. Maybe I am just use to the bite of these new generation rubbers. However the spin on the Acuda S1 with the new top sheet is quite good and the blocks and control is just brilliant!!!
I was thinking MX-P but the 1Q-XD does sound good. |
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carryboy... depends on what you are looking for.
speedwise all three rubbers are close. spinwise mx-p and 1q-xd both spinnier than acuda s1 on most strokes. Reliabilitywise 1Q-XD >> mx-p>Acuda S1 with 1Q-Xd you know everytime how exactly the ball is gonna leave your paddle after hitting.. and where it is gonna land. but yes it is more demanding ...just like h3 is also more demanding. |
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Okay i didn't want to hastily conclude... but now after playing some more.. i too think MX-P feels more Japanese than ESN.
But this is not tenergy type japanese... but very calibra-ish. calibra and boost series rubbers are produced in a diff japanese factory than tenergy. These rubbers dont hold the ball as long as ESN rubbers.. it too gives the feeling of sucking in and sucking out like ESN .. but quicker like calibra. Also the fact that topsheet durability is less.. like Calibra... |
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debraj, you make 1q-XD look very attractive. :)
I am not sure how it compares with Aurus. I read somewhere it has higher throw; some say it is harder, some say it is softer... |
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Is your backhand opening more brushing or sponge engaging ? Reason i ask is I do not trust the top sheets with these modern tensors which don't last more than 3-4 weeks of training and playing . I feel lot of these modern tensors expect one to engage sponge (including 1Q which I tried on BH) to be consistent unlike older Mark V or sriver . I liked 1Q on FH than BH however when I tried it on BH I noticed sometimes pushes went dead though i engaged the sponge and wasn't expecting it and passive blocks were kinda hard. perhaps xD may be good option if it isn't as heavy as 1Q. |
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Hello friends,
Please stop with your SPAM in this topic. The topic is for Tibhar MX-P !!! If somebody needs info ONLY for this rubber...he will be forced to read all feelings somebody has/have had to another rubbers and so on. Somebody posted he is crying, another member asked for another rubbers....These things are so far from the topic and I think this is SPAM. Don't be spammers, please! Lot of people are reading this REVIEW and imaginations of the forum members who tested the rubber MX-P are welcome, also questions about the rubber too. Make this forum more useful! Thank you!!! |
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Any suggestions on the kinds of blades MX-P would be most compatible with?
I am going to try it out but (like always) I do not want to disturb my primary set-up (Qabod / M2 / M2). Hence, I have two brand new blades (86g TB-ALC and 85g TB-ZLC) that I can choose from. I'm guessing that it probably goes better with the ALC given that it is faster than T05?
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with 1q-xd my opening loop is very brushy.. as you can see in later part of this video, during match practice. (i'm wearing green and 1Q-XD red on my BH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVcnmLGTHb8 Now as for durability... im playing the same sheet since last 4-5 months... hard sponge rubbers deteriorate less than soft sponge rubbers... so it is still very speedy and spinny... but then the surface grip of no rubber will remain as new after 5 months unless you clean it with a thin layer of PO once in a while. i do that once in 2 weeks... only on the topsheet... i do not tune sponge or take it out of blade. i have no complaint about durability... on contrary is exceeded my expectation on durability and predictability. |
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Kolevtt, your info is wrong. MX-P is more like Rasant Turbo, not Rasant. |
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I bought a sheet of MX-P and EL-P to put on my Darker Speed 90 to test with.
But coming from my Haifu Whale 2 for the forehand I find that the amount of spin on serve is not as high as the haifu might be just me. But I find I can serve heavy spin serves easier with the Whale 2. But rallying, looping and smashing is alot easier with the MX-P.... So I''ve gone back to the Whale 2 for the time being until the season is over before experimenting with the MX-P and EL-P... Has anyone switched from a chinese rubber to MX-P who can comment on the amount of spin they can produce from serves? |
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Maybe you didn't notice but I think at the time kolevtt commented Rasant Turbo didn't exist. Otherwise in terms of sponge hardness: Rasant 45 MX-P 45-47 Rasant Turbo 47,5 So in theory we could say it's in between but I can't confirm completely with experience as I have not tried Rasant Turbo yet.  |
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MX-P feels like a 45, that is, definitely softer than m1 or s1 (47.5) or H3.
I wonder if MX-S is hard like M1. Edited by seguso - 08/01/2013 at 3:16am |
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Thanks for picking that small mistake up, But dont say a product is similar to something when it aint. Rasant is differant to Rasant Turbo, not only the sponge, but the topsheet as well. Its like comparing a mandarin to an orange. |
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who actually said something was similar? I think Kolvett only said that Rasant users (at that time) had a higher chance to enjoy MX-P then Tenergy Users like him, right?
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Here's my short review of MX-P.
First day of training with MX-P max on forehand. Previously I had m2 max. Blade is DHS PG9 (a 7 ply, allwood, koto outer, almost stiff, faster than clipper CR). In short: this rubber is an improved aurus. It is also close to Tenergy 05. If you come from aurus, you will need no adjustment. I came from M2, so here is how it went. I immediately noticed the throw is higher than M2 (which is already a high throw rubber). Like Aurus, I think. Initially, My loops against block went out (because too high). I adjusted in a matter of minutes, swiping the ball more from above, which is a lot easier on fh, once you get used to it. MX-P is harder than M2, but still noticeably softer than m1. It is equal or a bit harder than T05 and aurus. for this reason, mx-p is not ideal on bh, because, in bh loop rallies at the table, the ball will not sink in completely so as to maximize spin. M2 is better on bh. Loop against block and drive is a bit more spinny than with M2. Loop against backspin is more or less the same (maybe a bit less spinny because the ball does not sink completely in the sponge). loop against flat ball: you can lift the flat ball by swiping from above, more than with m2. Especially useful against flat short service. Fh flip is a bit less spinny and slower than with M2, for the same reason (ball does not sink completely). Counterloop: first, the throw is higher than M2, and you have to close the blade more. This is like T05 or aurus. Arc: However, I noticed that in counterloops at very high power, the arc of the ball becomes rather flat (as if the rubber bottomed out). This crucially does not happen with T05 --- which is why this rubber is so unique, I suppose. Also, in general, MX-P has a bit less arc than T05 in more or less all shots. I am sure about this because I tried the two rubbers on opposite sides of another blade. However, the difference in arc is very tiny (until, as I said, you counterloop at max power). So T05 still has a noticeable edge in counterloop quality; and is probably more spinny in opening loop. But overall, MX-P is a very good rubber, and surely the closest to T05 as of today. In comparison, M1 and M2 are much farther from T05.
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I agree with the comparison with Tenergy. Ultimately, when the price of Tenergy came back down some (at least in US) I switched back from MX-P. The main reason is I felt like all in all I had a bit more margin for error with T05 on FH than with MX-P, especially when I tried to drive the ball harder. But as you say, the difference is not that large. If Tenergy is $80, I will use MX-P. If Tenergy is 60-65, I stick with it.
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Seguso, I was one of the first forumers to get my paws on MX-P and one of the first things out of my mouth was that MX-P is like a juicier Aurus. I feel both Aurus and MX-P are medium throw rubber with MX-P being rather low throw on counterloops.
All in all, a great rubber in a very stiff OFF class blade.
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Yeah, if I had to describe the difference with aurus, I would say MX-P "holds up" better against power loops, i.e. with Mxp you need to put more power in to make the arc turn flat. Aurus' arc becomes flat at medium power. I think they should have made it harder... after all, Mxp is still a lot softer than M1. Could MX-S be what I am looking for?
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Seguso,
you said "Arc: However, I noticed that in counterloops at very high power, the arc of the ball becomes rather flat (as if the rubber bottomed out). This crucially does not happen with T05 --- which is why this rubber is so unique, I suppose. How would you compare the Arc of M2 and MX-P at very high power? I'm currently using M2 and have a EL-P waiting for testing, so I'm interested in whether to invest in a MX-P also. |
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@1dennistt:
same problem with m2. it becomes rather flat. this is due to the hardness. (OTOH, M1 does have this problem too... this I can't explain.)
Again on Mxp... second day of training: today the situation seems worse: in counterloop, sometimes the arc flattens, sometimes it doesn't. This means the rubber is unrealiable. At least m2 was reliable in counterloop. Unless I still have to get used to Mxp... |
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In that case, I'll stick to the M2, maybe try a sheet of M2 Max instead of 2.0 when I use up my last 2 sheets of 2.0
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Just re-read this old note. How many layers of glue did you put on to stick MX-P to the blade if I may ask? |
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I used two layers (copydex diluted). But (like with bluefire) when I do it, I already know it will not be enough: the next day the edges will detach, and the sponge will look like I never put glue on it in the first place. But when I reglue, this time it will stick.
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Perhaps that's why you had that result (inconsistency in counterlooping)? I used to use just a layer of Tearmender. With my 1st MX-P, I used 2 layers on sponge & 1 on the blade. Got the same results as you did (was wondering why some hard shots went to the net when the hallmark of this rubber supposedly was consistency). A few days ago, I decided to try MX-P another time - but with 3 layers on sponge & 2 on the blade! Fantastic results. MX-P sponge sucks glue like no other one before. |
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For about a month now I have MX-P and M2 on my Viscaria and you are right, M2 trajectory flattens quite early when you apply power (on the FH at least, BH is fine). It was most apparent when drilling fast off the bounce topspins over the table, MX-P would consistently place near the middle of the opposite court vs M2 barely catching the end of the table. M2 might have better control but ultimately this issue affects all heavy strokes - counter loops, driving heavy underspin etc. so not my 1st option anymore. I'm staying with MX-P and I have to say it's been pretty reliable in all areas. Control is excellent for its speed and hardness rating.
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I must be fair; when I tested mx-p I was using pg9, not clipper wood wrb which is the blade I can control perfectly. and I don't remember if I was coming from m2 or m1. If I tested it again, it would be on clipper wood wrb. However, now I am going to test m1 + stiga off nct again (I had problems looping against short pips).
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