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Tinykin wrote: ... Today's veterans come from a period with speed glue and the 38mm ball that make any bat +40mm look wimpy. Example, there's no bat (with 40mm) today that can do this ...

Today I vow to commit random acts of kindness.    But I will kickass on the table.

I sent a PM inviting the author to edit the post to remove the threatening sentence.  This did not happen and there was no response to the PM.  I hid the offending post, Mods discussed the situation and the author was suspended for two weeks.  As a result, the thread has continued to be about table tennis, which it should be, and not about any one member, which is bad for the forum.  It is also the case that once someone has been suspended once, they are on a really short leash thereafter. 

ALL and ALL+ blades with high performance rubbers are plenty fast for non pros. They load spin very nice due to longer dwell. Agree no one setup is the right setup for players under 2000. Some are more defense style, some allround, and some offense so they need different setups. Sometimes it's fun to "gear" down to a slower setup and enjoy the added control.

Baal wrote: I sent a PM inviting the author to edit the post to remove the threatening sentence.  This did not happen and there was no response to the PM.  I hid the offending post, Mods discussed the situation and the author was suspended for two weeks.  As a result, the thread has continued to be about table tennis, which it should be, and not about any one member, which is bad for the forum.  It is also the case that once someone has been suspended once, they are on a really short leash thereafter.

Yes, this thread is now back to table tennis (finally - it took a few threads for this to happen)

Regarding the hiding part, I actually wonder what is better.

1) To know about such forum member and violent behaviour or
2) Not know at all.
As his post is not just offending, but a direct threat to cause bodily harm.

I saw his post via email notification and not on the forum (it was hidden already).

I guess the above may be good or may be unncessary to know, but no matter what, I think the rest of us forum members can have some peace for the time being


Edited by ZApenholder - 12/01/2013 at 3:25pm

A verbal threat of bodily harm on an internet forum, where, unless I am mistaken, the two involved, did not know each other personally, cannot be looked on in the same light as the same thing as two people arguing, and threatening in the flesh.
Given the over the top way, in which assiduous habitually expressed himself, I thought the whole thing a bore, with the guy deliberately provoking assiduous as deserving of a cooling off ban as assiduous himself
Still I do realise the mods have a thankless task.

Technically you may be correct, but my common sense whispers to me that no one was in actual danger of physical violence

pingpongpaddy wrote: A verbal threat of bodily harm on an internet forum, where, unless I am mistaken, the two involved, did not know each other personally, cannot be looked on in the same light as the same thing as two people arguing, and threatening in the flesh. Given the over the top way, in which assiduous habitually expressed himself, I thought the whole thing a bore, with the guy deliberately provoking assiduous as deserving of a cooling off ban as assiduous himself Still I do realise the mods have a thankless task.

+1; 

Hmm...
I now have good reason to think that at least 2 mods think that Assiduous was not the only one at fault. Yet, only assiduous carried the can.
Seems we need to be more even handed around here!

And give Hunkeelin a break too! Dont rush to judgement!

good post frogger

I agree with much that has been said here fatt, ppp on the one hand, frogger on the other. 

I for one will be happy to see Assiduous return in the fullness of time, especially since he will not be so fast to hit the send button and will keep things on TT.  The other person mentioned who was banned -- not so much. 

Next Level, if you are reading this, you may want to consider that it is best to stop poking sticks at bears.

Hunkeelin posts certainly invite criticism.  A bit of controversy is good for a forum.  DOn't want to water it down too much.  But when it is the same people doing the criticizing all the time  it gets old also.  I will try to cut him some slack too since he is never rude or aggressive with anyone.

I have no problem avoiding any poster if he threatens me. As much as you can all claim that the threats were mild, assiduous actually saw my videos and challenged me to a match and were I to go to Chicago, I would have played with him. He figured that I played too badly to even comment on his game.

I have had people come to meet me at tournaments without knowing who I am in person. They recognize me from my videos. For example, I met V-Griper in this manner, just to mention a notable person amongst many.

Pingpongpaddy has decided not to make any part of his personality public and I respect that. However, he is often quick to make assumptions about how others are motivated. Unfortunately, it seems that people who haven't met me or who don't realize that I have by making myself a public person, made it impossible to accuse me of pure trolling, are free to stick to their opinions. People can see how I play and where my comments come from. I play amateur table tennis. I prey on basic weakness. I hate moving, and I beat many players who are 100 pts below me without being forced to move. I can speak to what many 1600s who want to understand how to beat a 1400 without trying should play. That is what I usually address when I help lower rated players who are adult amateurs. I leave the kids to their higher ambitions.

So why write all that? To remind people that I am not some guy who goes out of his way to annoy people. If I was, it would be dumb for me to play at a club that has many forum members and to face many people on this forum at tournaments.

Ultimately, if asked pointedly to stop addressing anyone, I will. Everyone can Google me, see my videos, check my USATT rating history, talk to forum members who know me and even find out other things if they are so interested. But make no mistake, you cannot assume that any threat of violence against me is an idle one. That ship sailed a long time ago for anyone who has posted videos of themselves on this forum.

NextLevel wrote: I have no problem avoiding any poster if he threatens me. As much as you can all claim that the threats were mild, assiduous actually saw my videos and challenged me to a match and were I to go to Chicago, I would have played with him. He figured that I played too badly to even comment on his game. I have had people come to meet me at tournaments without knowing who I am in person. They recognize me from my videos. For example, I met V-Griper in this manner, just to mention a notable person amongst many. Pingpongpaddy has decided not to make any part of his personality public and I respect that. However, he is often quick to make assumptions about how others are motivated. Unfortunately, it seems that people who haven't met me or who don't realize that I have by making myself a public person, made it impossible to accuse me of pure trolling, are free to stick to their opinions. People can see how I play and where my comments come from. I play amateur table tennis. I prey on basic weakness. I hate moving, and I beat many players who are 100 pts below me without being forced to move. I can speak to what many 1600s who want to understand how to beat a 1400 without trying should play. That is what I usually address when I help lower rated players who are adult amateurs. I leave the kids to their higher ambitions. So why write all that? To remind people that I am not some guy who goes out of his way to annoy people. If I was, it would be dumb for me to play at a club that has many forum members and to face many people on this forum at tournaments. Ultimately, if asked pointedly to stop addressing anyone, I will. Everyone can Google me, see my videos, check my USATT rating history, talk to forum members who know me and even find out other things if they are so interested. But make no mistake, you cannot assume that any threat of violence against me is an idle one. That ship sailed a long time ago for anyone who has posted videos of themselves on this forum.

i have made known some opinions of mine about Nextlevel from time to time. I have nothing to say about him away from the forum. What I have said is based on the evidence of his posts, which show him to be somewhat manipulative and disingenuous in his posts especially when dealing with someone who disagrees with him.
Moreover, I can think of 5 well respected forum members who have pm'd me from time to time, to express unasked a similar view of his Character as a poster on this forum. My message to NextLevel is this, that every posters posts are like an audit trail of their behaviour. The people who have been reading these forums for the past months, will judge for themselves what your character is. I did not make some quick and shallow judgement on how you are motivated, rather I thought about it quite carefully before giving my opinion.
I am quite prepared to believe you help old ladies cross the street, and I know you have some valuable opinions on TT to give this forum, but unfortunately you cannot disguise your malice towards those you pick on.
I hope in the future to see only evidence of your better nature

NextLevel wrote: Call it malice, PPP, but I sincerely believe that if everyone saw it as malice, the responses I would get in many situations would be far nastier than they are. Criticism of people's views is often taken badly, and I am not immune to this myself. That such criticism is considered malicious means that its motive can be discerned. I often do apologize to people when they explain I have rubbed them wrongly. In fact, getting better at this sport always reminds me how little I know about it. Even our moral evaluations of others are colored and limited by our perspectives of them. I would definitely put my posting record on trial against anyone on this forum. Sometimes, I say things other people would like to day but don't. Sometimes, I parrot expert opinion. Other times, I say things from the amateur player perspective. All in all, anyone who takes me so seriously that he wants to hit me (though to be fair, I think that some posters have confessed to posting under the influence of alcohol if my memory serves me right) can have my apologies if it gives him any consolation.   Nah, honestly, I think they should be more direct in addressing thrir issues with me.

excuse me, but with all the due respect, what is your current US rating?