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Joola Maxxx-P & Rhyzm-P Review (Updated) |
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assiduous
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this rubber is hiJacking the name Rhyzm.
It does not feel like Rhyzm at all. It lacks this super sharp feel of Rhyzm that just gives you feedback about the exact plane of the paddle. I don't know how to better describe it. When you hit the ball with Rhyzm, it almost feels like you hit the ball with no sponge at all. You have excellent feedback about the angle. Also, the surface/topsheet of Rhyzm is very hard. This feels super frikking soft. This rubber is 5 times closer to Maxx than to Rhyzm. But Rhyzm was a more successful series, so they introduced P Rhyzm first. The throw is totally different. The bite of the ball is different. It encourages stupid brush shots, which I hate with passion. You can't just put a small angle and rip the ball forward. The mechanics of the stroke are totally different that old Rhyzm. Also, this Rhyzm has something like a Tenergy kick to it. It is very explosive when you engage the sponge. Uh huh, faster than old Rhyzm, AND spinier. May sound like a great rubber to some of you, but this world was already full of shitty brush stroke rubbers. Rhyzm was a fukking rock. You push forward and the ball goes forward, no jumping, no kicking, no reacting to spin. Alright, fine, its not really a bad rubber, expecially if your mechanics favor much brushing. But this rubber has different DNA compared to old one. And is in NOW FKKN WAY replacement for old Rhyzm. It is more of a Tenergy replacement than Rhyzm replacement. For those of you who are currently enjoying the best in the world control of Rhyzm - hang on to your hats. It is too soon for a change.
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Thanks, assiduous. Very important review.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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AndySmith
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I agree with Sid when he says Rhyzm-P feels like something totally different to the old Rhyzm line up. And that it feels "explosive" - jumpy in all but the lowest gears, non-linear in speed delivery. It feels so much softer than 45 deg in use.
However, I don't agree with his assessment of its brushy nature. My FH is really very brushy, and I love Maxx, Bluefire, H3 on that wing. And I can't get used to Rhyzm-P at all on the FH side - it throws very low, and suits a driving style IMO. And on harder hits it gives a big cracking sound - if this is the rubber bottoming out, then it's seriously weak for a 45 deg sponge. After my first week with Rhyzm-P, I switched it over to my BH side, where I drive and hit a lot more than my FH. It was far more successful there, but again the low throw felt odd to me. And it can be seriously quick. In fact the whole experience was really strange, and I start to wonder if this is one of the first rubbers which really only makes sense with the poly balls. I spoke to our Joola sponsored players about this - they've been training with Joola 40+'s for a few weeks now. Their thoughts about the poly-era equipment go like this: There will be rubbers which attempt to replicate the feel and performance of rubbers from the celluloid years. So - more topsheet grip, more low-gear power. These will feel like a handful with the celluloid ball. But will they wear out more quickly? And then there will be equipment which is specifically designed to be optimised for a driving style of play, rather than spin-focussed looping. So, for those players who are already hitting and driving, or those who feel this style will be the most efficient in the poly era and will switch to it. My gut feeling is that Rhyzm-P fits into the second category. It's a shame that Joola re-used the Rhyzm name for this one, because I can't see the logic in it really. And sid is totally right - it isn't a slightly modified Rhyzm for the poly ball. It's just different. Rather than Bluefire M or Maxx, it reminds me more of the feel of Tibhar 1Q Sound in many ways, but with an odd low throw... |
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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iPongdotnet
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The rhyzm & Maxxx P series are all for the poly era hence the P more similarly to the DHS line which reuses the Hurricane and TinArc rubber lines which are pretty different compared to H3 and regular Tinarc. Or at least their first attempt at it. Rhyzm has always been more of a driving rubber than Maxxx so I'm not surprised there. Pretty surprised someone in the states got it before we did since we are the NA distributor. Also as far as we can tell with our exposure to the Poly Ball driving is a more successful tactic rather than regular spin. It's a bit easier to drive the ball as opposed to spinning it or countering someone's spin. I think for this reason the Chinese are sure to further themselves even more from the rest of the world.
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assiduous
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had a good club session last night, and funnily, i had exact same observation as ipongdotnet. It is easier to drive the ball hard that to finesse it. Rhyzm P has a very TOUCHY topsheet. Very reactive. Spiny serves to short forehand made me lose a match that I thought was in the bag. I hate that. Pushing the same serve with old Rhyzm is so much easier!
Also when they soft loop and I try to control loop it back, the ball just kicks too much. It has a pronounced catapult kick, maybe stronger than Maxx. So I found that it works best when you just firmly drive the ball forward. It still kicks, but if you powerful enough it kind of kicks in the direction that you want. The drives that DID land were definitely nastier than Rhyzm, faster and strong deflection at the table bounce. But all in all I prefer the superb control of the old Rhyzm. All my tests were done with the old ball. |
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debraj
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im a convert to rhyzm-p for BH...
Great counterlooping usually don't come with great drop shots. This time it did. (although i heard rasant grip is also similar.) |
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I will be testing the max-p this week... next week, we write a short review. I have been using rhyzm375 close to a year...it will be a good test!stay tuned....
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Can someone compare the Rhyzm P with the Victas V01?
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Rhyzm P vs Victas V 01 2.0 mm .
Rhyzm P -top layer feels more grip , it is harder and has a slightly lower
flight path than the Victas V01 . Rhyzm P me doesn't remind the group of the
Rhyzm as such , far closer to the Tibhar Evo MXS ,or the like . Rhyzm P you can
very easily slow strokes , grip the upper layer is excellent, and helps the
well to drive the ball . Victas V01 - for me, it's like a better class of Acuda
S1 . Doesn't give as much spin on slow strokes , none the less still a good
grip . Victas perfectly shows your great features when really you will be
slamming into horses , it is then wind . Very easy to play the exchanges with a
lot of rotation and the accuracy of the location . If your strokes perfect and
your style of play is still play to win , go with the Victas . If you are more
versatile player , more easily go with the Rhyzm P . Both rubbers are very good
on the front side and both can properly inflame the opponent on fire when they
are in the right hands and in the right wood
Victas V01 is not so picky and it can be put on any kind of stiffer blades and plays very well . Rhyzm P seems average and pretty tough on these blades ,but where it really comes alive and is excellent , so the wood with the top softer layer of Hinoki or spruce . Tamca Gergely , Donic Waldner and Person Champion 89 ,plays really well done ! PS: A week Ago he was at my friend , similar level as me . Its original setting Butterfly Jun Mizutani 2x Tenergy 05 . Now bring on the exam Waldner Champion 89 RhyzmP max both sides . When played with Mizutani ,our duels were balanced and the outcome is decided always just a few little things . Now with Waldner Champions I had no chance and it was on the level a better player . Balls with Rhzym P glide after the rebound from the table, and I had a huge problem with blocks not to mention , it came in, one after the other, even from impossible positions . Alone friend admitted that
with Rhyzm P max he plays far better than with Tenergy , because he
facilitating play even late in the ball with Tenergy just to play go . With
Rhyzm P you can pick up nails from the floor , literally his sentence . Waldner
89 with a higher arch are great complements with a lower Rhyzm P . Played with
a plastic ball Xushaofa and Hanno . |
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FlatHitter
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if you like rhyzm p I'm pretty shure that you will like "rhyzm tech" even better. been using it for some time now and it has stronger loops and serves...both have 37.5 degree sponges but the rhyzm tech has more grip. I noticed it as soon as I started to play with it.
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alphapong
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Rhyzm-P has a 45 degree sponge, which is considerably harder than Rhyzm-Tech.
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FlatHitter
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Yep!..I was thinkin rhyzm 375..my bad!..I have played with all of them, I'm a dealer..
also..rhyzm tech is 42.5..
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AcudaDave
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As soon as I started playing with Rhyzm Tech in Max it was love at first sight, or love at first hit I should say. I had been playing with Donic rubbers all my life, and nothing Joola ever cam out with made me want to change my mind. Along comes Rhyzm Tech and I finally found a Joola rubber that I can say goodbye to Donic for. I think someone posted on the forum that Rhyzm Tech had the Donic Acuda Blue sponge and the Rhyzm topsheet. If that's true then I haven't completely said goodbye to Donic I guess.
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bard romance
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is tech or P more popular amongst your clubmates?
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alphapong
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Rhyzm-P is more popular among our better players. Tech is for people who like a softer rubber.
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A couple of good players (Italy #5, Italy #30) recently tried the rhyzm P on forehand. They normally use t05 on forehand, on clipper CR and CC. Well, they both say that rhyzm P does NOT have low throw at all. (you don't go to net with the same stroke). And they both say rhyzm P is faster. One of them said it's harder, but had not boosted it yet. They don't agree on whether it has more or less spin than t05 (one says more, the other says a bit less).
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Quadri Aruna plays with rythzm p max both sides..just so you know. although his has a special 50deg sponge..top sheet is still the same.
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bard romance
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Did Quadri switch off of MAXX?
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Purett
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no he always played maxx-p
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bard romance
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If I'm not mistaken, allrounder knows Aruna well personally, hoping for his reply
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From German Open 2016 |
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NextLevel
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No. He played regular Maxx topsheet and now he plays Rhyzm-P. |
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Purett
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when i met him on the teams tournament it was maxx-p
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Purett
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and his handle was green not red and black
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NextLevel
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Unless you have a picture, I find that puzzling. But maybe I saw Maxx-p and thought I was just looking at Maxx.
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i saw it 2 years ago on the red side didn't pay attention to the black side
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bard romance
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i remember hearing something along the lines of rhyzm-p to maxxx back to rhyzmp with a harder sponge which goes along with what all-rounder said. but i still think he'd be the best one to confirm.
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I can confirm that he plays with a special sponge rythzm p. I believe his is about 50deg hardness, and he switched from maxxx to rythzmp back in 2014. how do I know this? he gave me his blade to use at the 2015 teams lol.
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Was it maxxx-p or maxxx?
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nextlevel its just maxxx( I think). I think maxxx p and rythzm p came out around the same time,and he switched immediately to rythzm p. i'll try and check my chats with him on whatsapp about his equipement back then and post it( or maybe not:)) don't wanna get him in trouble with his sponsors since I don't know if he is allowed to tell specifics about his equipment choices.
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