short pips on forehand

try china's Haifu dolphin. good pips too

Snakefish wrote: FlatHitter wrote: I have switched 3 of my students to short pips, forehand (penhold) and forhand/backhand (shakehand) all three are playing better..returning serves and hitting with out all of the "double thinking" or..should i loop or hit that ball?..also, these players are over 50 years old  and cant take the years to learn how to deal with spin. there blocking game has also improved a lot....I play with short pips on my backhand too..sometimes I miss inverted rubber when I loop with my backhand but, overall it is easier for me to deal with topspin and heavy backspin. "punchblocking" is advantage with short pips and close to the net "flips" get the ball in there face a lot quicker than inverted and make it harder for loopers the get leverage on there loops. currently all of us are using JOOLA express"ultra" it was difficult for me to get my shots to get past players with slower pip rubbers. What sponge thickness are they using on their short pips ?

Joola pips are very amateurish .try moristo sp and they will be more dangerous

I have switched 3 of my students to short pips, forehand (penhold) and forhand/backhand (shakehand) all three are playing better..returning serves and hitting with out all of the "double thinking" or..should i loop or hit that ball?..also, these players are over 50 years old  and cant take the years to learn how to deal with spin. there blocking game has also improved a lot....I play with short pips on my backhand too..sometimes I miss inverted rubber when I loop with my backhand but, overall it is easier for me to deal with topspin and heavy backspin. "punchblocking" is advantage with short pips and close to the net "flips" get the ball in there face a lot quicker than inverted and make it harder for loopers the get leverage on there loops. currently all of us are using JOOLA express"ultra" it was difficult for me to get my shots to get past players with slower pip rubbers.

roundrobin wrote: Moristo is good for speedy countering but too soft for me.  Hard to put enough spin on pushes and serves.  Overall, I find that BTY Challenger 1.9 in black (at the recommendation of Gao Jun) works best for me with the new plastic ball.

and why not 1.9 red challenger?. challenger moristo and clippa which one has more knuckle and control suitable for penhold. I think not so stiff blades are the way to go with 40+.

i need to know if beautry has knuckle efect or if  its another spinny pips that plays like inverted,what oher pips is good in the reviews you ve been checking? how its booster HP?

If you want something with knuckle effect then beautry is the wrong choice, it's another spinny pip like you said. If you want some knuckle effect I would recommend the Victas VO>101, it is pretty fast and has more knuckle effect than most shortpips - the Victas VS>101 and 102 are also very popular in Japan along with Mizuno Boosters , Moristo SP and Spectol.

About the Booster HP, it should be a mix between the spin based SA (spin attack) and speed based EV (explosive velocity) and is the least popular of the three. Out of the Boosters the EV would meet your requirements the most but i think the VO>101 would be a better fit.

Basically there are 3 types of pips:
Trapezoidal pip shape - spin type
Cylindrical pip shape - "change" type
Trapezoidal+cylindrical - speed type

Of course this can't be applied to all pips but should give you a rough guideline what to look for.

You could also try medium pips if you want even more knuckle balls like Ai Fukuharas Armstrong Attack 8.

Sorry, this is a little off the topic but it has been weighing on my mind.

Da Baobei wrote: bbkon wrote: Da Baobei wrote: bbkon wrote: buffalowings wrote: moristo SP hands down.   in terms speed and spin.   abit hard to control due to the power of it. dont go for max. try 2.0 first. A chinese girl became single  junior world champion with moristo on FH Also a lot of the japanese women/girls play with moristo - I think in 1.8 - on their bh. what about  hammond FA speed and the new short pips(nittaku beautry)? heard anything bout them  or any good last gen short pip? Nittaku claims that Beautry is made for the plastic ball and that it's their spinniest short pip. It offers maximum diameter minimum height and density of the pimple in current ITTF specification. According to some reviews it offers great spin with decent speed and is not as bouncy as the Moristo SP. It should be similar to Mizuno's Booster SA which has been the best selling short pip in Japan for months. The Beautry is made in Japan and has the same sponge hardness as the german made Moristo SP. I don't know much about Hammond FA Speed other than that it was used besides Spectol 21 before many pros switched to Moristo SP.

Moristo is good for speedy countering but too soft for me.  Hard to put enough spin on pushes and serves.  Overall, I find that BTY Challenger 1.9 in black (at the recommendation of Gao Jun) works best for me with the new plastic ball.

bbkon wrote: Da Baobei wrote: bbkon wrote: buffalowings wrote: moristo SP hands down.   in terms speed and spin.   abit hard to control due to the power of it. dont go for max. try 2.0 first. A chinese girl became single  junior world champion with moristo on FH Also a lot of the japanese women/girls play with moristo - I think in 1.8 - on their bh. what about  hammond FA speed and the new short pips(nittaku beautry)? heard anything bout them  or any good last gen short pip?

Nittaku claims that Beautry is made for the plastic ball and that it's their spinniest short pip. It offers maximum diameter minimum height and density of the pimple in current ITTF specification. According to some reviews it offers great spin with decent speed and is not as bouncy as the Moristo SP. It should be similar to Mizuno's Booster SA which has been the best selling short pip in Japan for months. The Beautry is made in Japan and has the same sponge hardness as the german made Moristo SP.

I don't know much about Hammond FA Speed other than that it was used besides Spectol 21 before many pros switched to Moristo SP.

bbkon wrote: buffalowings wrote: moristo SP hands down.   in terms speed and spin.   abit hard to control due to the power of it. dont go for max. try 2.0 first. A chinese girl became single  junior world champion with moristo on FH

Also a lot of the japanese women/girls play with moristo - I think in 1.8 - on their bh.

winning np1 np8, good control.

speedy wrote: Stiga Royal.  I tried 1.8mm for close-to-the-table, and 2.0mm.  I like 1.8mm better.  If you hit everything like crazy (like me) I would go with 1.8mm.

Speedy how do you find royal with the new ball?
Does it have more spin or less then the likes of spectol and 802?

viva wrote: Skyline wrote: I'm thinking of putting short pips on my forehand. I've always been more of a flat hitter than a looper. Although my looping has seriously improved over the years, I just don't have the power and the footwork  to loop every ball. I'm looking for a really fast and spinny short pip that enables me to loop the first ball and than finish the point with a killer smash. Any suggestions? Try Victas > 102 in 1.8 or mizuno short pips. Victas is the easiest switch and mizuno short pips are possibly the fastest and quite fast.

NextLevel wrote: GeneralSpecific wrote: Rakza P.O. Kristian Karlsson is Europe's highest rated shakehand short pips forehand player and he uses this. You mean Mathias - Kristian plays with inverted.

Skyline wrote: I'm thinking of putting short pips on my forehand. I've always been more of a flat hitter than a looper. Although my looping has seriously improved over the years, I just don't have the power and the footwork  to loop every ball. I'm looking for a really fast and spinny short pip that enables me to loop the first ball and than finish the point with a killer smash. Any suggestions?

Edited by viva - 04/29/2015 at 12:33am