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    Posted: 09/07/2017 at 12:22pm
I'll never understand you dirty EJs!!! LOL
 
I tried only a handful of equipment but have been using the same setup for years.  I got my Timo Boll ALC and tenergy on both sides.  That's all I need.

Actually, here's a winning strategy to a good setup:
Choose any blade and put any Tenergy on it.  Done! 
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I got a celero wood used 1 hour
Yasaka extra offensive used 10 minutes
stiga infinity brand new used 10 minutes
donic wsc used

Edited by mog1111 - 09/05/2017 at 7:00pm
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Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

so after years of ejing I have settled on a beat up old infinity with ply delamination and hurricanes neo and I love it.

LOL LOL
You selling any equipment for cheap then? :p
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so after years of ejing I have settled on a beat up old infinity with ply delamination and hurricanes neo and I love it.

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I play Nittaku Magic Carbon max (fh), and JUIC Nanospin II max (bh), opponents have trouble when I load the spin.
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yes infinity is going well at the moment. Beautifully spinny with hurricane 3 neo
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Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

so im still on hurricane 3 neo.

korbel did not like handle
since then ive tried celero wood
yeo
and infinity again

I like infinity for looping but need normal hurricane on bh
yeo is very powerful blade even with hurricane 3 neo

don't like celero much but trying again.

I cant believe ive played for 30 years and only just tried Chinese rubber, its so spinny and controllable, I hate euro rubbers now when I try them, bouncy lazy rubbish.



Just stick with Infinity VPS. I think that's the "do-all" blade of today. I recently switched to it and have been playing very controllable (but at a much higher pace) than before. It's a phenomenal blade you can't go wrong with.
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yes I did at first but after a month with unboosted h3n my arm has sped up or something and im hitting alright with it.

try it on a yeo and then tell me its slow??
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Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

so im still on hurricane 3 neo.

korbel did not like handle
since then ive tried celero wood
yeo
and infinity again

I like infinity for looping but need normal hurricane on bh
yeo is very powerful blade even with hurricane 3 neo

don't like celero much but trying again.

I cant believe ive played for 30 years and only just tried Chinese rubber, its so spinny and controllable, I hate euro rubbers now when I try them, bouncy lazy rubbish.

You would be surprised how much the easy pace of Euro-Jap rubbers helps/is needed at higher levels - I tried to simply play with an unboosted H3 Neo but to no avail, kept losing to people that I usually beat due to being out paced in counter topspin play

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so im still on hurricane 3 neo.

korbel did not like handle
since then ive tried celero wood
yeo
and infinity again

I like infinity for looping but need normal hurricane on bh
yeo is very powerful blade even with hurricane 3 neo

don't like celero much but trying again.

I cant believe ive played for 30 years and only just tried Chinese rubber, its so spinny and controllable, I hate euro rubbers now when I try them, bouncy lazy rubbish.

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I am versus that 1st rule.
1st rule must be General Conclusion and last rule must give you last point why 1st rule is the most important. Let's think again what must be the 1st rule...
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You, I like you

Good luck with the Korbel, I actually went from the Korbel to a Violin (via an OSP Virtuoso +) that was also too fast with too little feel for me.

I hope I will stick with this setup for a while.
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So ejing slows down but continues.
I have used WSC for 2 months and it has resolved some things.
I am using H3N fh and H3N or H3 bh on next blade.
WSC is too slow with these rubbers, so I have just ordered a well known popular 5 ply wood.

new Korbel

hoping it will be somewhere between TSPW (too fast) and WSC (tad to slow)

We will see.
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LOL.

H3N did not last long.
Limber 402 now and Aurus Select on fh!!


Edited by mog1111 - 07/24/2017 at 7:05am
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so after lots of ejing..............

Im sticking with the WSC
gone back to 05fx on my fh, just the 'get out of jail free' bounce suits my game
h3neo on bh, again I have a really spinny bh opener but the neo still allows me to push well

an end to EJing

the moral of the story is get the blade right first, then the rubbers!!
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GL everyone, I'm just starting.
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It's a 12 step program!

Edited by mog1111 - 06/09/2017 at 6:12pm
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Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

Ejing is over I believe. WSC is fantastic stiff enough and flexy enough to do what I want.
great blocks pushes and loops

I think I've heard it before, couple of weeks ago, or so. It looks like EJ is something you tend to do, variety seeking behavior etc. - if it enhances your enjoyment of TT, then so be it.    
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Ejing is over I believe. WSC is fantastic stiff enough and flexy enough to do what I want.
great blocks pushes and loops
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

More broadly, "only change one thing at a time".  If you are testing out rubbers, compare them on the same kind of blade.  If you are testing blades, use the same rubber.  Amazing how often people don't do this.
Sure. 
But changing more than one variable is a way to achieve the perfect setup with minimal number of equipment combinations Wink. Otherwise, one would have to test at least 20 rubbers on at least 10 of his/her blades (not to mention rubber different thickness and blade different weights and handle styles that may eventually appear to be more tempting) = > 200 setups, easily.
By selectively picking the experiments and assuming that there is no additional blade-rubber correlation we reduce the expenditures... later, we have to ask a smarter colleague for advice anyways.
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Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

Originally posted by Knuckle Ball Knuckle Ball wrote:

Be sure your wife does not find out!


My x once said "you love table tennis more than me". Obviously I did the decent thing and lied!


I showed this to my wife and she accused me of being mog1111
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Originally posted by Knuckle Ball Knuckle Ball wrote:

Be sure your wife does not find out!


My x once said "you love table tennis more than me". Obviously I did the decent thing and lied!
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Be sure your wife does not find out!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mog1111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/27/2017 at 1:26pm
I tried a clipper clone and a samsanov force pro but they don't quite seem to be for me, but both good blades and I can see why people like them
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

My first rule of being an ej- "it is better to be an ej than do drugs."

These are the words I live by.

mog1111, have you tried the Stiga Clipper Wood?  I've been switching back and forth between two blades (a 7-ply carbon and a 5-ply all wood) I own but relentlessly researching other blades in pursuit of something 'better'.  Eventually I just decided on the Clipper since it took generic qualities (dwell of all wood, some 'sturdiness' of a 7-ply) I liked in both.

I figured if it's good enough for majority of players it's good enough for me.  It also has a very reasonable price tag. LOL

I haven't had much time to play with it but so far so good.


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yes I get that, but I need something sharp enough so when I take the ball early I feel like its moving fast enough. im not worried about reaction time. once the glue had dried and the euphoria of new equipment wore off on the sae I did not like the feel of how it played. I blocked too much and had to hit too hard somehow.

I enjoyed the sharp feel of the rossi emotion a year or two back which is as you know carbon but not too fast.
im only thinking wsc or something in that ball park not primorac carbon

I used to take the ball early and drive, I can loop a bit but im not good enough so I feel to play to my strengths and improve my weakness a good feeling off- ish carbon blade will make me feel good when im playing. im 47 I should compete with vets not juniors and this feels the way forward
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Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

I think I want to stop worrying about winning. Hit the ball really hard and fast and have a bit of exercise and take it less seriously.


And you think this is what a faster blade does for you I suppose. Only if you play off the table. Close to the table you need something slower to hit the ball harder unless you block. Also, remember that the faster you release the ball, the faster it comes back at you and the less time you have to reset. This is one of the reasons why many lower rated players struggle with faster blades vs better players, they don't recover fast enough no matter what they use. Faster often means faster vs topspin, slower vs backspin.
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Originally posted by mog1111 mog1111 wrote:

I think I want to stop worrying about winning. Hit the ball really hard and fast and have a bit of exercise and take it less seriously.

Not a bad option, mog1111.  But if you really want some exercise practice chopping fh and bh, having to slide side to side, dash up and back, feather back short pushes and drop shots, staying in a point for 15-20 shots (which used to be the norm), and stepping in to cream any weak or unexpectedly high topspin your opponent gives you.  A point is a point is a point.  The ball doesn't care.  Let your opponent commit suicide.  This can be psychologically satisfying, plus you don't have to hit the ball really hard all the time.

Unfortunately, with today's turbocharged rubbers, this way to play, once the style of champions with cigarette busting control, has become as extinct as a passenger pigeon.  But if you still want a bit of exercise and don't care too much whether you win or lose, by all means have a go.  You can still hit the ball hard and fast, and even the loopiest looper will give you a bunny to crush every now and then.




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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

To be fair, I had a Korbel that was 95g and I found it to be really slow, even with Tenergy on both sides. As you said, it depends on your level, but also your playing style - blockers and counter attackers can handle stiffer, faster blades more so than spin oriented loopers.

Yes.  My point is a generalization. I think it applies to most players, but certainly not to all of them.
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