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Tinykin 
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Don't make the stories of 1-ply blades put you off. Yes when they split it looks dramatic but they are very easy to repair. This unlike most multi-ply blades. I have lost over 10 blades in the last 15 years or so. they either break at the handle, lifting plies, chipped plies etc. Think of the amount of times that you see your playing mates with damaged mulit-ply blades. In fact, I've lost 2x multi-ply blades this year. One was a badly chipped surface and the other had a top ply separate. There was a third that broke when it hit a wall....but we won't talk about that  Edited by Tinykin - 02/13/2020 at 1:23pm |
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aeoliah
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Posted: 02/13/2020 at 5:47am |
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Many years ago I read at least 2 cases where c-pen with thickness of 8,5 mm were split along the wood lines (I forgot what caused that) and more or less it is agreed that single ply hinoki should have at least 9 mm. I wonder if the situation is different now. I believe the thread is still there. I find that single ply hinoki is too thick and bulky for me, so I always choose the thinnest, that is 9mm. I have Kokutaku Cho Super, Cho Tokusen A, TSP Hanabi, Speed 90 and Darker Hy Blade, all in J-pen 9mm. They are all now sitting in my cupboard as I am now using multi-ply C-Pen.
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kakapo
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Posted: 02/10/2020 at 1:33am |
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Mine is with red cypress. It is slower than the yellow Taiwanese Cypress and offers more control. I had a discussion about my way of playing and we decided it would have been better to go for a more controlable blade. It is perfect for blocking smoothly and hitting when you want. It is not really a looping blade of course but on pushes from your opponent, you can open up with a nice spinny topspin. I like the Darker S90 but it offers far less control.
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Tinykin
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Posted: 02/09/2020 at 8:12pm |
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wappak
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Posted: 02/09/2020 at 7:35pm |
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i have a taiwan yellow cypress from tony of ilovepingpong, the feeling is harder than kiso, also thinner at 8mm cpen,
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Have you tried the Gerry Yu blade? I chatted with him and he said the Taiwan cypress is harder and denser than the kiso hinoki, and they cost more. Yours looks like what he called a S or SS grade. How do you like it compare to the ds90?
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kakapo
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The grain is nicer.
Not as nice as the red Taiwanese cypress 1000 year tree blade made by Gerry Yu
The handle of the ST blade seems different. On a collectible point of view, this is a nice blade. On a player's point of view, I don't know. I won't tried it. |
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momus
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so, do you see any real-life differences between Speed 90 and Imperial? is it worth paying 120€ more?
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Posted: 02/09/2020 at 11:09am |
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some pictures:
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Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm
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kakapo
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mine is exactly that size. I have 4 darker speed 90 and 3 of them also have this size. My Darker tanpan is also with that size. I have also 1 speed 90 with 15,2 X 15,5. I measured all my Darker today.
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momus
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I don't know how it looks in the photos but it's definitely 157 x 152 mm when i find time I'll put a measure on it to be clear, if you like
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Tinykin
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One for a history expert. Didn't Darker always sell a select few separately? Basically one that had a couple letters to describe? I'm wondering if the Imperial maybe this version in that it's a select wood.
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Darker Speed90 Rubber Fh and Bh DHS Hurricane 3, 39/38deg Delusion is an asset |
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kakapo
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It seems the Darker Imperial is sold in China but with a different look and twice the price of TT11
801,66 $ exactly Edited by kakapo - 02/09/2020 at 2:14am |
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hleett
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Posted: 02/08/2020 at 6:11pm |
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Looks like 150x155mm to me.
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momus
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https://imgur.com/a/CIcvMPC
my Darker Speed 90 ST dimensions. the weight is 92gr (and the one i play with is 88gr and with Dignics 05 both sides 178gr) Edited by momus - 02/08/2020 at 9:50am |
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Darker Imperial Hinoki blades are not available in Japan simply because they are made exclusively for TT11. Here's a confirmation from Darker Japan  : |
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Very interesting. Please do upload photos...and what's the weight?
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momus
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well, I just double-checked my spare Speed 90 ST
(it's without rubbers brand new, so very easy to exact measure the headsize)
it's 157 x 152 mm !! bought from tt11 a year ago (I can upload proof photos tomorrow if you like) Edited by momus - 02/07/2020 at 2:56pm |
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it's not my data. that's the answer they gave me from tabletennis11! I don't own a "Darker Imperial" but I have 2 "Darker Speed 90", I'll measure them too and I'll report back
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Exactly. Speed 90 FL has a headsize 155x150mm. I cut 2mm of the handle to make headsize match BTY standards, 157x150, but had to deal with a short handle.
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Can you prove it with photos of ruler on blades? My ds90 is 150 x155mm.
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I think TT11 will sell fake products when pigs fly. It is the biggest TT webshop in Europe, with the most choices and they are Darker's best and biggest reseller in Europe.
Darker knows exactly what stands in TT11'page. Taking the risk of selling openly a fake one would be suicide for them.
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Anyone notice that Imperial Hinoki 2020 is not available in Japan market? I can't find in Iruru or other Japanese online store.
I have few darker speed 90s, one from China and others from Japan. The one from China has a "different" feel from the rest. There is a possibility of fake product, or I just got a lemon. Incidentally, my friend shared the same thoughts (both of us bought from the same China seller). Just for sharing. |
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Posted: 02/05/2020 at 10:47pm |
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Thank you. I did received high offers for my blade.
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I bought an Apolonia from a French guy on matostt and he told me he has 3 so I had those exact thoughts. I was right to go for it because the packaging, instant shipping 5 days delivery and the blade was as good as the other 3 I had tested from a few club mates. In this case I decided I would go with the weight I like and Butterfly quality control and I was not deceived. I think I would go the same way buying from Darker.
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i also have 1 ply cpen from coach tony of i love pingpong, its a taiwan yellow cypress hinoki 8mm, it feels harder than kiso and darker in color, they price this yellow cypress hinoki higher than their kiso, the thickness of the blade is thinner at 8mm because its harder maybe thats why their kiso are thicker at 9mm up, you can email coach tony, not all his hinoki blade are listed at their website, last time i got an email from him, he has beautiful 1 ply kiso at 9.5mm, that was a few months ago.
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Yes, maybe it's only aesthetics but at that price I would want the full eye on the edges. I wonder what kind of player would spend that much money in a 1-ply hinoki and not wanting that eye or not being aware of it.
Here is an example from Kevin a.k.a American hinoki. |
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Anyone ever notice the edges on the Imperial model is not shaped at a unique curve like the ds90? But then again no other blade in the world has this beautifully curved edge.
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I have the first blade, the cheaper one, in my collection. In my opinion, this blade is clearly different from the traditional DS90. It is larger for one. The more expensive,Darker Imperial Hinoki 2020 (9mm, (I think) appears to be fashioned off the traditional version. I think you should buy this version. If you don't like it, I will take it off your hands discounted 20% discount off what you you paid.  . .........OK, you drive a hard bargain, 10%. |
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than you probably thought. But seriously, Users of these blades never sell a good one.