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stiltt
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I have an idea. Look at my FS ad there and pay attention to both the 2 BBC Hinoki Ghost and the 4 Butterfly Lindmae Special.
The Hinoki Ghost at that weight are very powerful, if not more than a Viscaria and I guarantee a huge sweet spot with no vibration at all and a very soft and gentle feel. They can be played as is. This is a huge design in terms of insight, read about it. I wrote they can be played as is because the 99 grams Lindmae Special are too heavy for modern rubbers but because they are oversized, you could shave them to the dimensions of a regular Butterfly blade and you can also cut the back of their pretty long handles a bit. You'd end up with a stiffer and faster blade because there will be less material to absorb the shock and more energy will be transferred into a faster bounce. It might become too stiff for your liking though but I just considered the idea after nobody would buy them. I wonder why was that, 99 grams ST carbon fast blades are valuable, especially when they come in a bunch of 4 of them all matching! I think only old people who like to finish the ball fast will like it LOL I should just keep them. If you want to test them I can send one of each to you free of charge (except you pay shipping both ways, Paypal only,I hope you are close to Seattle, WA) to test for a month or so but you can't cut any of them . I am just curious about what a guy who pays very much attention to detail has to say about those 2 blades that I like a lot. You spent a lot of time and money into focusing a setup to fit a game, your game, and I understand you want to keep the best you found out. I noticed nothing sells now because people are afraid that they won't be able to resell if they buy just to test. The table tennis blades testers are taking a hit in the face from Covid but if it hurts them it means they didn't get the disease right? This proposal is just about amortizing the lack of testing fiestas we are suffering. I understand if you do not want to spend any money to test something relatively cheap and inferior to the mighty Viscaria in terms of image only. Edited by stiltt - 09/23/2020 at 9:17pm |
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Vlad0
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I'm curious to know what are these rubbers and their thickness that make 88gr. Viscaria slow. I can try them to tame my 90gr. one.
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TB ALC 86gr + D09c/T05
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Baal
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Try Stiga Mantra
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emihet
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find a viscaria 93-94 grams
I also found a ZJK ALC a touch Faster and a Timo Boll ALC 92 grams or heavier
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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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emihet
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or if you have the budget to do it...order a custom order viscaria and increase the core by 0.2 mm
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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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Skynet
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Are you still looking for a Viscaria update? If so, why not take a look at the Nexy Oscar? Similar construction as Viscaria etc., exept that the top ply is made of hinoki, which gives it a slightly softer feel and a bit more catapult compared to the "dead" koto of the Viscaria. Slightly thicker, too (6.2 - 6.3 mm). Could be the one you're looking for...
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TT newbie
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Old Iolite had Hinoki top layer but was even thicker with 7.5mm This one might be a good option, thanks for the tip.
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fmarek
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Speed expectations are up to player, maybe his blade is too light or something. When I saw "keeping the same soft feeling", I was like wtf? :)
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fmarek
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Absolutely valid, even though ply materials are different :))
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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TT newbie
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Don´t you think Viscaria has a soft feeling? Compared to Primorac Carbon it is very soft.
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Shifu
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Yes, but in general any Koto outer ALC blade is considered quite hard.
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fmarek
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Exactly. I am really puzzled by the way OP describes feeling, koto is crips and not soft at all, while primorac having hinoki wood on the top just cannot be hard. However I never played primorac carbon, I dont know. It is the one which is considered to be the fastest blade in the universe? Hinoki + T5000 carbon? |
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729 Green Goblin 5, FH: 729 Battle II National H39, BH: Palio HK1997 Gold.
DHS Long 5, FH: 729 Battle II Gold H40, BH: Nittaku C1 |
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Valiantsin
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There is also good old piece of brick yinhe t4s, so not sure if PC is fastest
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yogi_bear
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Primorac carbon is indeed stiff. A tad lower than Sardius.
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kolevtt
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Primorac Carbon especially 2nd series with metal tag is probably the fastest ever made Butterfly blade together with some Gergely samples, but the difference is mostly connected Gergely has another balance. Not sure about Sardius, because never had a wish to own this model. I have tested it only from a friends, I could say it is different as feeling too. I am not absolutely sure, because I have no proof, but W.Schlager used exactly 2nd series Primo Carbon FL with Schlager Carbon handles to get the World Championship's Gold Medal in 2003 in Paris, right? It was discussed long time ago. I still keep one ST sample from these Primo carbons 2nd series and wondering what to do with it. It is really fast and always fun to play with if you are able to handle the speed. Edited by kolevtt - 10/05/2020 at 4:52pm |
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what about heavier viscaria.
or more glue :) |
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TT newbie
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UPDATE: I went to a 93g ZLC blade (Zhang Jike) and I can say I´m satisfied now. The blade is not soft at all, but has the speed I was looking for. |
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Johnny Erasure
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I have a Viscaria from 2009 (serial J) which has 97g. It's very speedy, has more speed than my ZJK SZLC. I can't play with it, never find a Viscaria with such power.
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chongqinghotpot
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So what are you going to do with it? Do you want to sell or trade it?
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kindof99
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I have a 95g S series Viscaria and a 106g P series Viscaria. They feel solid. The 95g one weighted at 95g when I bought it new. The 106g one was sealed, but the sealant layer is not that thick (can not feel the sealant when I move my finger on the blade face.)
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