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Posted: 09/20/2020 at 8:35pm |
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I´m used to ALC blades such as Viscaria and Timo Boll Spirit, but I decided to go to something faster keeping the same soft feeling. I thought first about Iolite but it´s not sold anymore.
So what could be a faster blade with same Viscaria feeling? Not necessarily a Butterfly blade.
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I dont know i choose different material too Drinkhall power spin Or spzlc type of blade Joola energon
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AcudaDave
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Joola Freeze...I've sold a few at my club now. It's as fast if not faster and it has great feeling for the ball. It's become a very popular blade at my club.
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Joola Zhou Qihao 90 blade
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kolevtt
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How many grams is your current blade? I think you can try with XIOM Stradivarius. I have a great sample with ST handle and "fish" look koto outer plies. Almost no vibration blade, that's pretty rare. And has a very good speed. |
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Simon_plays
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Did no-one else think when reading the topic 'No you don't'?
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TT newbie
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I always expect this type of answer...
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Mine is 88g. However I´ve had a Strad before and found it harder than Viscaria, and not so faster. I´d like something noticeable faster. I liked Iolite but can´t find it anymore... yes, I can say I´m looking a blade like Iolite.
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Tt Gold
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+1 Guess he represents his name But in all seriousness, a heavier viscaria is the best option. Or go for faster rubbers.
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Baal
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Almost my exact reaction My translation was "I want to try a faster Viscaria" to which I added "and once I satisfy my curiosity I'll go back to the Viscaria". Remember to judge by all the shots you have to play and not just forehand topspin. Its not because I'm some sort of TT wizard, I've been down that road. A long time back, but the same road.
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DonnOlsen
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If I may ask; what club is this? Thanks.
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Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber.
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Baal
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But if the EJ virus is too strong to resist, then try a ZLC blade, say, a ZJK-ZLC.
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Vince64
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Spinblock Table Tennis Club in Indianapolis, In.
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Simon_plays
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Timo Boll's TTD video review of his own blade (the older one where he still plays with T05) makes this point when he says how it was easy to use ZLC and SZLC for fast topspin shots. However, it's awkward spin ups and the close game where the faster blades let you down.
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AMonteiro
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I would order a custom from SDC Blades (Portugal). You can work on details, maybe same construction with thicker core.
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Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
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Is the Yinhe V14 or V14Pro that you can find around 45$ from Aliexpress valid options?
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KLHfans
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Hi: I would think the Golden Viscaria is the faster version of the Viscaria and the closest feeling. It's slightly heavier due to more wood composition and maintain the same feeling as the regular Viscaria. Liu Shiwen actually used Golden Viscaria (instead of her previous Liu Shiwen ZLF) to win her first world championship women single title in 2019. regards, klhfans |
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I have a V14 Pro, it´s just a bit faster than Viscaria. I´d like something faster than that. I tried a clubmate´s Primorac Carbon, it has the speed I like but not the touch, too hard for me.
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anubhav1984
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Primorac Carbon is a good two notches above Viscaria in terms of speed TBH. Try Apolonia ZLC once. It may be a good option to look at. Also, given that your current Viscaria is 88gms, i would recommend getting one that is in the 92-94gms range. I had a 87 gm Viscaria once and now own a 90 gm Viscaria and the 87 gm feels like a different blade now. From what I was told, Viscaria's optimal performance really starts coming out in the 90+ gms range.
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blahness
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The more speed you gain in the topspin game, the less control you will have in the short game. It's always a balance....
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stiltt
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My Apolonia is 88 grams and I'd be a fool thinking I can find anything better with a difference in play that I can feel or that would matter for my game. Try finding an Apolonia AND a Viscaria both between 92 and 95 grams and let us know your tests with the same rubbers. For sure you will sell easily the one you do not want to keep because they are both very popular so there is not much waste here (only the shipping cost of the one you let go). Do not get shy because of the balance, the shoulder or wrist problems coming from 6 or 7 more grams or other gimmicky arguments against weight are maybe true for achieved athletes who practice 40 hours a week but not for you (wild guess) nor for me. In case you want more speed on the fh loop and smash only and it is important to keep the total weight the same, go with your favorite rubber on the fh and lighter ones on the bh to get those 6 grams back. Good luck! EDIT: roaming the forum on my way back from work, I saw Eric's post after yours about a spinny light rubber that I never tried: Edited by stiltt - 09/21/2020 at 8:53pm |
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Baal
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I agree about Viscaria weight. 92-93 grams is optimal.
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lasta
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A 93g black tag fish scale Viscaria will solve your problem.
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I would either: -- get faster rubbers and keep the blade as is. -- seal your blade and keep the rubbers Either way you will end up with a slightly faster set up and the feeling won't change for the most part.
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andzejgolot
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energon super pbo c is still the best choice here
yogi with his zjk zlc is good choice too.
after some matches with different blades I can add Dynasty carbon (not xu xin because it is slower version) with good weight AZX Xiom with alc/zlc Drinkhall powerspin still is good fast choice Andro Treiber CO and of course new Viscaria/Lin G is good choice to |
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Just remember if you seal your blade enough to make it faster, there is no going back.
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chongqinghotpot
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I have spent quite some time and money to try to find a faster and better blade than Vis. My conclusion is a heavier vis is the one. I love my 93 gram vis but unfortunately I can’t find a new heavier one.
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Tt Gold
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[/QUOTE] The more speed you gain in the topspin game, the less control you will have in the short game. It's always a balance.... [/QUOTE] except for when you gain speed through improving your skills. But EJ’s hate that trick
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TT newbie
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Changing rubbers is not an option for me. I spent a lot of time testing rubbers to find what I consider the best for my game. I won´t do it anymore.
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