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Jonan 
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 Posted: 07/22/2011 at 11:41pm |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5cXVkeWi_Q
Hey, these guys are no name people, what would you say their ratings are? I mean, look at all those bad serve returns and missed loops! I mean hardly any rally made it past 5 hits and those serve errors...what noobs! |
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kenneyy88
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 11:26pm |
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If you think rally count has anything to do with level of play, then you don't know much about table tennis. They do get a little sloppy after a while, but they are playing a lot of games here.
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ZJKandMLfan
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 11:06pm |
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woah woah woah lolll. Just cuz i feel ur 19-2000, u dont have to take me seriously.
I feel that ur 19-2000 and thats just my opinion. Ofc you may agree or disagree. Being US 2000 is not an insult by any means. 2000 us is a very good rating and that rating really means you are a very good player already. After you openly replied by saying you beat a 2200 player by like 39-1 pretty much, i thought about it and maybe i was honestly wrong about you. I went to look at the video again and honestly i still feel you're 19-2000. Guys, just because they have some good services, some good service returns and some good rallies, THAT DOES NOT qualify them as like 2200+. Not to criticize but I've seen 1800 players have some amazing rallies as well. It';s the fact that for the most part, you're rallies are honestly good quality just not 2200 quality. also, in the first set during the video, I was counting the number of rallies in each point. Therewere only two points in that first game where the two of you had over 3 rallies. I'm sorry but even 2100 players have many many points in each set where they go over 3 rallies. The two of you aren't even really blasting the ball past each other although i really do have to admit that the both of you have some very nice shots. it seems that the two of you usually win the point off you're opening loop and for the most part, that's about it. Once again though, I could be right, i could be wrong. |
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Jonan
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 10:51pm |
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Anytime I see people saying someone is low rated, I think they need to look up videos of US 2500 players, whole matches, and see how many weak points, unforced errors, and short rallies they have.
Also I can get games off of people who are technically 1000 points higher than me, or realistically 4-500 points higher. |
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DeIgado
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 10:40pm |
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I feel like the guy in the blue shirt is around 2100 because although he had a solid backhand and some strong shots, I feel like he had poor shot selection. There were many times when he had time to step around to fh and generate more power but decided to stay with his back hand. Also, he rarely looped hard to you back hand. The points that he did, he won. He generally gave you a slow spinny loop to your BH or a fast loop to your FH which you crushed back because it seemed predictable.
Now on to you, I would say b/w 2300 and 2400. My reasoning behind this is that your BH is consistent and powerful. Your FH is deceptive on location and powerful in counterlooping/ counterhitting. On one hand I want to say 2300 because it seems like you have a strong bh to compensate for your lack of movement. However, at the 2400 lvl having good movement is absolutely necessary, regardless of shot strength imo. I want to say 2400 because although you don't move all that much, you predict shots and react to them very very well, I am not sure if that is because you play with the other guy alot, or if your instincts are that good. I could be way off, this is just my opinion.
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racquetsforsale
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 10:25pm |
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2100-2300.
Sound strokes, consistency, good power on APW46's FH. Very good feel for the ball, especially APW.
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BH-Man
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 8:39pm |
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Unless Honey totally sucks rocks vs other styles, like long pips defenders or blockers, there is NO WAY Honey is only 2000 USATT. There are boatloads of 2000 level players who cannot flick to save their life nor can counterloop or stay in the point like Honey does consistantly. Agree with the rating assigned to Andy though... hehe.
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BH-Man
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 8:35pm |
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Andy, you know you are going to catch more flack than this vid than the you vs Rob debate, yet you went ahead and posted it, even with the knowledge that 3/4 of this forum does not know you are near 2400 USATT level and wouldn't know if it fell out the sky and clocked them upside their forehead. What is remarkable is that you said Honey was significantly behind you a few years ago. You kinda inferred he was WAY behind. Honey appears to have very quickly tidied up things from your prior comments on other TT forums and developed some offense that can trouble you on a lot of points. He looks like another two years from putting you on the wrong end of the scoreline sometimes. You did not get as much profit from your short serve game. He had a high percentage of sucsessful flicking.
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ghostzen
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 8:23pm |
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Cool Video, Honey has come on quite a bit hasn't he!. havent seem him play for quite a while. His service is starting to look pretty good. needs to keep it a tiny bit shorter/tighter if he can. Some really good rallies as well. I want your backhand loop! .... really natural shot.
Rating wise erm Rob 2000-2100 I guess.... he's defo on the up playing wise.
As for APW46 erm borderline 800 maybe on a good day!
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debraj
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 6:42pm |
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you may be 2300 ...but definitely this game doesn't show it.
it is completely inappropriate to judge someone by watching his game video.. because we miss out a lot of things. on this video i, personally see technical errors in holding the racket, arm movement etc.. and feels like 1800-1900. but then another 1800-1900 guy may look like 2200, because in spite of being technically strong he may have a major weakness. you guys may be good players and this video may not do justice to your actual level, ... but I wouldn't call your styles 'mainstream'.
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melarimsa
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 6:15pm |
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Well Andy, I made my opinion on this game that I watched. I may be wrong, and I am sure I am wrong for rating, but your opponent had some good shots also, and gave you some nice returns ... You are definitely better than him for at least 200 points, as I can see you have better control of the ball, than him. I hope this will clear "you guys"
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 6:09pm |
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melarimsa
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 6:02pm |
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Good video. Thanks for posting. In my opinion you guys are at least 2100+ ... Few service and service returns shots where wrong, but otherwise it is all good. One of my videos people make fun of me or my partners as I have also few service or service return problems, and I am way below you guys (1300+ in WEST or 1600+ in the EAST American Rating) Cheers !
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APW46
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 6:00pm |
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Ha, I played a USATT 2200 rated player over a whole wkend last year and he won one game out of about 40...Also in Uk I was ranked one place above Ben Johnson last time he was in UK,
Playing him In the English premier division, USATT 2000 is an insult Guys!
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Nori
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 5:54pm |
I would agree. |
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 5:45pm |
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zomg they're definitely not sub 2000!!! are you guys mad?! def 2200+! if they can sustain rallies like that consistently with that much pace and spin, then they blow most average people out of the water.
serve deception is crazy enough. but then they follow it up with consistent attacks, no silly pushes that go on forever. still using tenergy andy? |
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ZJKandMLfan
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 5:32pm |
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both of u r great players but not 2350 for sure. maybe 1900-2000
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 5:25pm |
I only chopped/ fished in games where I was so far infront. We played 24 games, Honey won the first two, then I won the next 22.
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 5:04pm |
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You both hold the racket in a kinda strange way. The blue shirt guy holds it weird and backhand comfortable while you more properly and forehand comfortable (Timo Boll like). I can't rate you but the video was worth watching (i don't usually watch others than top near-top players). As for the fishing or chopping i think it depends more on the opponent unless you have an extraordinary ability that will confuse most players, btw Andy, nice chopping. I feel safer fishing or counter attacking. An advice to the blue shirt guy, when he is chopping you better topspin or at least do a decent backspin return don't try to stop the ball near the net. Hilarious play at 4:50, love these points! Nice play both. |
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 4:40pm |
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Backhand chop. I've been doing it often as well, do you think its better to BH chop or fish it back when in a defensive position on backhand.
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Posted: 07/22/2011 at 4:12pm |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG7gnwQxxUQ
You can do the USATT rating thing if you like, But I'm told I'm about 2350 to 2450, Robin a bit less, I'm the blonde guy.
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